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RevHead
24-11-2012, 05:45 PM
Pete are you saying that both 1 and 3 valves went at the same time? Seems very strange 1 valve I can understand but 2 at the same time???? if both have gone is this a symptom and not the cause?

explain please Dave,

about 4 days before NFR,it started with a little stutter ,like miss ,i thought fuel and plugs ,
but the bike has been very strange ,when cold it refused to run on all 4 cylinders if you didnt warn it up ,so i got into the habbit of letting it warm up.

evad
24-11-2012, 06:11 PM
it seems strange that both cylinders went at the same time, usually if a valve burns it will be on one cylinder not 2.

RevHead
24-11-2012, 07:51 PM
ok, chime in Dylan, as its got me buggered, ive checked the tps while running.no change ,also unplugging each coil at a time to see if it drops a cylinder ,1 holds a little bit of power but near to nothing ,but 3 is dead as.

also #1 when i put oil down the plug hole and fitted the leak down tester,blew oil out of the throttle body ,and with #3 it didnt blow any oil out but its just dead ?i have fitted a new coil pack to this cylinder thinking this may be the reason but to no avail

oldskool
24-11-2012, 10:18 PM
It may be a long shot Pete but check your fuel filter on the fuel pump it looks like a tea bag this can cause problems like this.

BANDITROD
24-11-2012, 10:42 PM
yeah i had that prob on my gixxer and it caused the same symptoms you are describing pete

Tony Nitrous
24-11-2012, 10:53 PM
Wouldn't that be across all pots?
Not specific to one?

No chance ifs an injecter/ throttle body?

oldskool
24-11-2012, 10:57 PM
No because the feed is no even, not everyone in the fuel rail geta a mouth full causing miss fire's etc.

Tony Nitrous
24-11-2012, 11:10 PM
Fuel pump / filter could cause a problem
Isolated to one specific cylinder ?

RevHead
24-11-2012, 11:21 PM
It may be a long shot Pete but check your fuel filter on the fuel pump it looks like a tea bag this can cause problems like this.
thanks Dylan this is 1 thing i over looked ,fingers crossed,if it is rooted im going to wreck this 1 and im buying a new bike

Hagarr
24-11-2012, 11:22 PM
I haven't read the whole thread but you have checked valve clearances ?

Probably silly question I know but Valve clearances are critical particularly if engine has done 108k and perhaps not been serviced regular!

Apologies if this has already been brought up.

P.S. Clearances are a bitch to do in frame.

RevHead
24-11-2012, 11:27 PM
I haven't read the whole thread but you have checked valve clearances ?

Probably silly question I know but Valve clearances are critical particularly if engine has done 108k and perhaps not been serviced regular!

Apologies if this has already been brought up.

P.S. Clearances are a bitch to do in frame.

il check the filter tomorrow if no good motor is coming out,so il check then hagarr, as it comes apart

Hagarr
24-11-2012, 11:34 PM
If you drop the front of the engine first before extracting engine totally, then rip rocker cover and do a quick check might save you a shitload of work.

These are tough as fuck motors and would have had to have been really badly treated to have burnt valve , but hey anythings poss!

Silly question again but was engine oil really dirty and smelly when you first bought and dropped?

Bike looked in good condition before you fightered!

EDIT. Particularly as you mentioned previous it would miss a little until it warmed up!

Sounds like possible clearance or yeah maybe Valves are fucked but would have thought very out of character.

Tony Nitrous
24-11-2012, 11:51 PM
Wouldn't the fact that the problem initially came and went
mean that it's more likely to be fuel or electrical than anything
mechanical ? Did you get chance to plug a stock dash back
in to see if the fault codes bought anything up ?

Redmohawk
25-11-2012, 08:21 AM
What ever the initial prob was (say electrical from the look of the loom) flogging it about in the hills running lean wouldnt do the valves any good (possably in need of adusting clearences before you left for cooma). Running lean hard around the hills under load would have your valves nice and hot, chewing into your plugs would have been a warning (as you saw).

I'd be doing as dylan said , change the filter (not a bad idea seeing as you fitted a replacment tank, who knows what was in it etc) clean your injectors . Do several leak down tests on all cyl dry and oil'ed, set valve clearances and do a test again. You may have cooked a valve , if its only one cyl just pull the head replace/lap the valve (if its not to bad) and get back to riding.

RevHead
25-11-2012, 09:06 AM
If you drop the front of the engine first before extracting engine totally, then rip rocker cover and do a quick check might save you a shitload of work.

These are tough as fuck motors and would have had to have been really badly treated to have burnt valve , but hey anythings poss!

Silly question again but was engine oil really dirty and smelly when you first bought and dropped?

Bike looked in good condition before you fightered!

EDIT. Particularly as you mentioned previous it would miss a little until it warmed up!

Sounds like possible clearance or yeah maybe Valves are fucked but would have thought very out of character.
il check this as well, bikes oil when 1st changed was pretty black and rooted ,and there was only about 1.5 litres in the motor not 3 litres ,ive done 3x oil changes in the time ive had it and the oil in the sight glass is now pretty clean, doesnt stink,


Wouldn't the fact that the problem initially came and went
mean that it's more likely to be fuel or electrical than anything
mechanical ? Did you get chance to plug a stock dash back
in to see if the fault codes bought anything up ?
Tony ,i have left the original dash plug into play ,so i can plug and play ,i did check for codes yesterday,i got -c00, meaning not pc faults


What ever the initial prob was (say electrical from the look of the loom) flogging it about in the hills running lean wouldnt do the valves any good (possably in need of adusting clearences before you left for cooma). Running lean hard around the hills under load would have your valves nice and hot, chewing into your plugs would have been a warning (as you saw).

I'd be doing as dylan said , change the filter (not a bad idea seeing as you fitted a replacment tank, who knows what was in it etc) clean your injectors . Do several leak down tests on all cyl dry and oil'ed, set valve clearances and do a test again. You may have cooked a valve , if its only one cyl just pull the head replace/lap the valve (if its not to bad) and get back to riding.
Red il spend today doing exactly what you said ,Cheers to all ,Great advise ,Really appreciate it .
Will let you know what i find .

oldskool
25-11-2012, 09:29 AM
Fuel pump / filter could cause a problem
Isolated to one specific cylinder ?

It will make all run leaner which would account for the dead plugs also some injectors will get less fuel than others.

oldskool
25-11-2012, 09:30 AM
Have you checked for stuck or blocked injector Pete?

RevHead
25-11-2012, 09:38 AM
Have you checked for stuck or blocked injector Pete?
i did give them a sonic bath about 2 weeks ago ,il remove them and test them ,cheer,

ALBI
25-11-2012, 11:02 AM
pete start from scratch and pretend its a customer like i do
1- listen to customer and write down symptoms
2- wat does an engine need to run ??
a- spark
b-fuel
c-compression
d-"if efi" injector pulse

3- so do a quick run down do you have spark yes/no
4-do you have fuel yes/no
5-do you have compression yes/no/maybee
6- pull tank and airbox ,remove plugs and do a comp test"make sure you have a batt charger or jump batt on" so even cranking.
7-which ever cyl is low will be problem maybee!!
8-do you have a cyl leakage tester ?? if not make one and old spark plug gutted out and tube attached so you can run shop air at a regulated setting say 90-100psi make sure cyl is on top dead centre and turn on air .
if air comes out exhaust burnt valve and/or poor valve clearance.
if out intake bent or damaged valve and / or clearance
if out rad cap neck blown/cracked head/gasket
remove oil cap ,if out of hole possible rings or piston??

start from scratch mate and relax

RevHead
25-11-2012, 12:35 PM
ok heres a funny one went down started bike ran on 4 gave it a rev dropped to 2 cylinders,



https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/599955_3842890122924_1020492600_n.jpg
ok Dylan pulled the injectors out and tested all 4x ticking good and clear.
i found a small crack it the fuel reg=TPS vacuum hose replaced that.
pulled external fuel pump off, then split in to 2 then removed plastic baffle,and this is the colour of the fuel and filter that came out
also went to put it back together for a start up , except 2x of the rubber o-rings on top of the injectors fell to pieces , went to my o=ring kit ,non there ,so more action tomorrow ,
Albi, comp is good 160 to 175 all 4 cylinders,all 4 cylinders have spark, have done as Dylan suggested check that injectors are not stuck ,also removed fuel filter ,and found dirt,will do another leak down test tomorrow

xa-mont
25-11-2012, 12:43 PM
that fuel looks tasty

Tony Nitrous
25-11-2012, 12:54 PM
It will make all run leaner which would account for the dead plugs also some injectors will get less fuel than others.

I agree with the dead plug comment,
Although there will be a difference in fuel pressure at
various injecters I wouldn't expect it to be enough to
run 3 and starve 1 if the pressure dropped. Unless
The lack of pressure has caused a pot to go sick from
a burnt valve maybe. I'd be tempted to swap injecters
and coils over, if the problem stays with one pot it's
mechanical not fuel or spark?

Only the rambling a of a non mechanical numb nut though

ALBI
25-11-2012, 07:37 PM
Hey wat grade fuel were you running ??
Remember last yr i had simular prob !! New plugs ,only done about 500 klms on them then it staryed popping and farting hard to start then nothing ,went through the check list hmm no spark .checked coilss all good ,checked wireing all good blamed the ecu,borrowed one from mats yellow tl and still no fire hmm
It wasnt till big dan and i were talking about waht checks i done and the only thing was the plugs put two new plugs in and bamm fire in the belly.
I only ever ran 98 spec and since then now only 95.
I advise all my landie owners to do the same as ol 3.5 and 3.9 lt disco and rangies v8 chew dem plugs if 98 used.

RevHead
25-11-2012, 07:40 PM
Hey wat grade fuel were you running ??
Remember last yr i had simular prob !! New plugs ,only done about 500 klms on them then it staryed popping and farting hard to start then nothing ,went through the check list hmm no spark .checked coilss all good ,checked wireing all good blamed the ecu,borrowed one from mats yellow tl and still no fire hmm
It wasnt till big dan and i were talking about waht checks i done and the only thing was the plugs put two new plugs in and bamm fire in the belly.
I only ever ran 98 spec and since then now only 95.
I advise all my landie owners to do the same as ol 3.5 and 3.9 lt disco and rangies v8 chew dem plugs if 98 used.

its got 4 new plugs,in town weve got 1x bp 1x caltex ,before the bike started playing up it was vortex 98,since i got a shit load of water out of the tank ,i decided to only use bp ultimate

RevHead
26-11-2012, 05:26 PM
ok did what Albi said ,started with the basic,s all4 cylinder have spark,fuel ,then
did what Dylan recommended ,fuel system,pulled out the injectors retested ,went to another workshop around the corner from mine and flowed the injectors,1,2,4 were fine,#3 was having alittle bit of a drip going on ,so i cleaned them all again,re-flowed all #3 still a little lazy, fitted new rubbers to them went back to my shop ,re-fitted injectors to bike ,this time fitting #3 to #1 as easrier to get to re-fitted last 3 injectors ,then started bike #1 not firing at all,then got a can of start ya bastard and fired it down #1 when motor idling ,motor idle came onto 4cly ,then kept on spraying and gave it a rev ,now running on all 4 ,so Dylan when the new injectors turn up and i manage to make a buck for this month you get a case of beer ,thank you for the info.

oldskool
26-11-2012, 05:29 PM
Thats all good Pete sorry I didn't get a chance to drop in on my work trip.
The beer will keep for another day glad I could help.

EFE 1230
26-11-2012, 05:41 PM
After reading your reactions to your mechanical worries in this thread Pete I hereby nominate you for the award of..........................






"BIGGEST DUMMY SPIT OF 2012"

Tony Nitrous
26-11-2012, 06:34 PM
Post #406

RevHead
26-11-2012, 06:42 PM
Thats all good Pete sorry I didn't get a chance to drop in on my work trip.
The beer will keep for another day glad I could help.
il get the cash to you on my payday you can buy a case

After reading your reactions to your mechanical worries in this thread Pete I hereby nominate you for the award of..........................






"BIGGEST DUMMY SPIT OF 2012"

Ill take it,lol cheers EFE


Post #406

do we have a runner up! for a 6 pack.

Tony Nitrous
26-11-2012, 07:20 PM
All good Pete, I'm teetotal anyway.
Hope it's all sorted soon Mate.
At least you know your way around a Busa now!

RevHead
26-11-2012, 07:26 PM
All good Pete, I'm teetotal anyway.
Hope it's all sorted soon Mate.
At least you know your way around a Busa now!

ahahaha ,wish i didnt, know my way around it so well,

RevHead
29-11-2012, 06:29 PM
ok number 3 still dead ,comes and goes when it wants ,ive read a lot from busa forums and dead cylinders seem to be a common the especially #3, most fixes are replacing the ecu as it seems the ecu has 4 individual channels ,and the channel for #3 is a problem ,so before i pull the motor down il get another ecu ,there only $120

Tony Nitrous
29-11-2012, 06:43 PM
Make sure you get the right one Pete.
Not sure if you know but early Gen1's are different to some of the other Gen1's.
Not sure if there are 2 or 3 different Gen1 ECU's.

RevHead
29-11-2012, 06:47 PM
the oneim looking at is being sold as ,out of a99 ,heres the link
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/121018865506?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_500wt_716

Tony Nitrous
29-11-2012, 06:52 PM
I'd ask one of the smart guys on the Busa forum,
That says 99 to 07 but I was always led to belive
there were changes at least once, maybe twice in
that time. Someone like MAJ would know for sure.

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 07:56 PM
Sorry to here the news Pete, Surely things will get better

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Hayabusa-GSXR1300-ECU-2000-model-/300825041389?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item460a91d9ed

There is a few ECU's/CDI's floating around the UK too (above), The postage may make it a bit dearer than the USA though? Send a heap of ebay messages to the USA & the UK asking postage costs to Aus & keep searching>

http://www.ebay.com.au/dsc/i.html?_sop=15&LH_TitleDesc=1&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=hayabusa ecu&LH_PrefLoc=1&_pppn=r1&_dmpt=AU_Motorcycle_Parts_Accessories&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo&_udhi=400

http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=gsxr+1300+ecu&_sacat=0&_odkw=gsxr+1300+ecu&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=2&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udhi=400

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_sop=15&_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=hayabusa ecu&LH_PrefLoc=1&_pppn=r1&_dmpt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udlo&_udhi=100

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=gsxr+1300+ecu&_sacat=0&_odkw=hayabusa+ecu&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&LH_PrefLoc=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udhi=100

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=hayabusa+cdi&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_rusck=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udhi=150&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=hayabusa+ecu&_sacat=0

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=gsxr+1300+ecu&_sop=15&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_rusck=1&_mPrRngCbx=1&_udhi=150&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=gsxr+1300+ecu&_sacat=0

Tony Nitrous
29-11-2012, 08:01 PM
Its very easy to find stuff on Ebay.

I'd be making sure it'll fit a 1999.

http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/general-bike-related-topics/88981-ecu-differences.html
99-00 16 Bit ECU
01 has a 16 Bit ECU but has a different harness for the injectors like the 02-07
02-07 has a 32 bit ECU


... and personaly I'd be double checking this too before I spent my $$$'s.

RevHead
29-11-2012, 08:01 PM
thanks champ!

Tony Nitrous
29-11-2012, 08:06 PM
I'd still double check it if you can.
I have limited faith in information "i found it on the internet" ... LOL.

Safe bet would be another 99 I suppose but you do limit your search a bit.

I'll keep my eye's peeled.

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 08:16 PM
They are only about $1500 new>

http://www.motosport.com/motorcycle/oem-parts/SUZUKI/1999/HAYABUSA/ELECTRICAL?mmy_source=oem

What is the part number on yours?

32920-24F20 (http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/oem-parts/SUZUKI/1999/HAYABUSA/ELECTRICAL/CONTROL-UNIT%2C-FI-%7C-MODEL-X%7EY-%3F32920_24F20/32920-24F21)

32920-24FD0 (http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/oem-parts/SUZUKI/1999/HAYABUSA/ELECTRICAL/CONTROL-UNIT%2C-FI-%7C-MODEL-K1/32920-24FD0)

32920-24FK0 (http://www.motosport.com/dirtbike/oem-parts/SUZUKI/1999/HAYABUSA/ELECTRICAL/CONTROL-UNIT%2C-FI-%7C-MODEL-K2%7EK3/32920-24FK0)

RevHead
29-11-2012, 08:18 PM
no idea il check tomorrow,
thanks guys good info.

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 08:25 PM
If there is issues with different EU's not working with different models I would be looking for the matching part numbers

What aftermarket (preferably programmable) ecu's are available?

RevHead
29-11-2012, 08:32 PM
matching the pc, numbers is a given,

K6Thou
29-11-2012, 08:34 PM
Have you considered an aftermarket ECU Pete ? Mightn't be cheap but with the right unit it could be used for a turbo application and the tuning options are nearly end less...

RevHead
29-11-2012, 08:39 PM
Have you considered an aftermarket ECU Pete ? Mightn't be cheap but with the right unit it could be used for a turbo application and the tuning options are nearly end less...

bahahaha gears are turning,

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 08:40 PM
As I mentioned above also, Yeah it would be well worth spending the extra dollars + you should have some kind of warranty with an aftermarket ECU?

Good chance a stock ECU might shit it self again (Or already shat when you buy it) as you mentioned the are known to have troubles "dead cylinders seem to be a common the especially #3"

El_Hefty
29-11-2012, 08:49 PM
Hey Pete how did the valves fix themselves? Before you answer i dont believe in god or miracles


P.S good to see you are staying on the tools for now

RevHead
29-11-2012, 08:51 PM
As I mentioned above also, Yeah it would be well worth spending the extra dollars + you should have some kind of warranty with an aftermarket ECU?

Good chance a stock ECU might shit it self again (Or already shat when you buy it) as you mentioned the are known to have troubles "dead cylinders seem to be a common the especially #3"

after 3 weeks of no riding and completely running out of cash ,il go the 2nd hand route and if this sorts it il buy another for a spare ,at present till about may2013 my money tree is DEAD

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 09:06 PM
Yeah I know what you mean, I will be just scraping in to get my bike finished (Enough to be rideable & roadworthy) before Chrissy, Then I will worry about rego after

Hopefully a new secondhand ECU sorts out the problem for you

Mishdog20
29-11-2012, 09:57 PM
Have ya had a decent hunt around on the Net Pete for any info on how to check to see if the ECU is fucked? just an idea... there must be a way to test them, Can you check the resistance value on the wires coming out of the ECU?? i might save ya having to buy a new one. Ya don't happen to know someone with a same model Busa?? Have you contemplated getting a lend off a nearby wrecker?? Just throwing out a few ideas mate, somethin might stick

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 10:07 PM
Good idea but a bike wrecker in Aus will easily want around $400-$500 for a Hayabusa ECU & they surely would not let one go out the door without payment & they generally wont accept returns on electrical items which is understandable, Unfortunately the days of helping out fellow riders is gone, When it comes to business its cash over the counter then you might get (usually crap) service

The business owners on this forum all seem pretty good to deal with, I wont bother with the (Ridiculous) prices &/or crap service in most bike shops here in Aus

Is there even a bike wrecker in your area Pete that would have anything more than old dirt bikes?

Borrowing (or buying) one might be the only option

EVLZX
29-11-2012, 11:03 PM
Mate everyone gets sick of a know it all after a while, and I'm pretty sure most of the blokes on here have figured out how to use ebay.
Cheers.

NINJAINOZ
29-11-2012, 11:21 PM
No offense EVL, I certainly dont claim to know it all & have vaguely mentioned this when I first joined this forum, The reason most people are even looking in forums is to find info because we are all still learning in some way (I think those that do think they know it all are too good for forums cause they know it all & think they wont learn anything here :rolleyes:) just willing to help, If a simple thing like mentioning to look for the part number of an item (ECU) that no one else mentioned or showing another member here where to get a cheaper price on an item is claiming to know it all well then I am sorry

bladehunter
30-11-2012, 07:05 AM
I found this mate, might be helpful
http://ecueditor.com/

I can help out with the elcetronics if you want.

RevHead
30-11-2012, 08:04 AM
ninja is spot on the only wreckers near me is 100k north and they are a bunch of retarded clowns ,who charge more for used ,then what it costs to pay new! and they dont give a fuck.the only wreckers that i deal with are metropolitan spares,great bunch of guys ,then if it costs to much here ,ebay rules ,

bladehunter
30-11-2012, 08:58 AM
Found this


Long story short, think found root cause !!!!!! If I unplug the Air Intake Pressure (Boost sensor) my #3 wakes up and temps are fairly even accross all. Baffling how this sensor has so much effect on the ECU and does not even throw a code when apparently values are so far out of whack that it is shutting down cylinders. New sensor on order. Mine is rigid mounted to the engine block (http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=engine+block) so thought is vibrations, heat, or similar might have got to it as it normally sits on the air box.

http://www.hayabusa.org/forum/busa-problems/163941-help-please-3rd-fried-ecu-would-wrong-ecu-just-fry-not-run-all.html

Sound similar ?

BANDITROD
30-11-2012, 09:10 AM
Mate everyone gets sick of a know it all after a while, and I'm pretty sure most of the blokes on here have figured out how to use ebay.
Cheers.thats funny cos everyone gets sick of dickheads too

EVLZX
30-11-2012, 10:14 AM
thats funny cos everyone gets sick of dickheads too

Sorry Rod I'll try and be more like you.

EVLZX
30-11-2012, 10:15 AM
No offense EVL, I certainly dont claim to know it all & have vaguely mentioned this when I first joined this forum, The reason most people are even looking in forums is to find info because we are all still learning in some way (I think those that do think they know it all are too good for forums cause they know it all & think they wont learn anything here :rolleyes:) just willing to help, If a simple thing like mentioning to look for the part number of an item (ECU) that no one else mentioned or showing another member here where to get a cheaper price on an item is claiming to know it all well then I am sorry

It's not just one thread it's every fuckin thread, nothin wrong with helpin members but some of it's just a bit fucking annoying.

BANDITROD
30-11-2012, 10:17 AM
it would seem no one can take a joke anymore everyone is so touchy
Sorry Rod I'll try and be more like you.

Hagarr
30-11-2012, 10:17 AM
Pete

maybe has been discussed elsewhere I only went back a couple of pages but have you with all the mods you have done, removed or "Twitched" the clutch cutout switch wires together.

Reason being if you have, the ECU runs on a different fuel map and basically renders all gear position and ignition settings obsolete.

We have found this on a number of bikes prepared for the track where the respective riders have disabled the switch thinking they don't require the switch any more.

The bike will still run and appear OK but it is effectively running in the Neutral fuelling & Ignition mode.

There may be some more clever gentleman on this forum to give you the "exact" description if this is the case.

Tony Nitrous
30-11-2012, 10:49 AM
Not sure if that fits Pete's issue's but you are spot on with the info.
I know a couple of Guys who's late model Suzuki's suddenly became
way more healthy when the clutch cut out switch was fixed / refitted.
Not just outright performance but fuel consumption too.

Tony Nitrous
30-11-2012, 10:51 AM
It's not just one thread it's every fuckin thread, nothin wrong with helpin members but some of it's just a bit fucking annoying.

I have a keyboard that's connected to the interwebworld.
The combination of Ebay, Google and Wikipedia means that I am an expert on everything .... ;)

bladehunter
30-11-2012, 11:05 AM
it would seem no one can take a joke anymore everyone is so touchy

You leave my special private area alone. :eek:

BANDITROD
30-11-2012, 11:08 AM
hahahaha

Hagarr
30-11-2012, 11:38 AM
Yeah Tony your comment on the fuel consumption was sort of where I was next heading , especially if its fouling plugs or at least similar symptoms and end result.


Not sure if that fits Pete's issue's but you are spot on with the info.
I know a couple of Guys who's late model Suzuki's suddenly became
way more healthy when the clutch cut out switch was fixed / refitted.
Not just outright performance but fuel consumption too.

EVLZX
30-11-2012, 11:48 AM
thats funny cos everyone gets sick of dickheads too

Sorry Rod I'll try and be more like you :p

Is that better?

BANDITROD
30-11-2012, 11:58 AM
lol much

RevHead
30-11-2012, 12:12 PM
ok the clutch switch ,is still standard and unmodded as ,when i deleted it on my last bike ,i hit the start button and the 1100 went half way through my shed wall ,so i left it alone, ive opened the whole harness from handle to the fuse box found a few busted wires, on the battery the bike has an extra red wire on the pos side of the battery ,and a white one on the neg side ,they dissapear into the harness,but never the less there extras ,also i found a broken wire to the ecu ,which i re,joint, im going to clip that to see if it makes any diff,but the question remains #3 is getting fuel /spark and comp in 170 so,im at loss.i will oil up n3 to see if the comp goes through the roof,

mr.zxr
30-11-2012, 04:55 PM
Fuck your not havin much luck with this bike mate. i had a similar problem. turned out to be a piece of rubber floating in the tank but it took me weeks to figure it out. fuckin drove me insane.

ozzy1100
30-11-2012, 04:58 PM
all the love in the house has inspired me to post this love song about
2 girls and 1 cup....... i can think of no where better than pete's page :-)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuI2xTAJB4

RevHead
30-11-2012, 05:32 PM
ok i cut the red wire ,that was ripped of my ecu/i re-connected it a week ago,bike revs clean onall 4cylinders ,when i join said wire it splutters and carries on ,dropping cylinders ,AND WITH THIS WIRE CUT BIKE WILL NOT IDLE AT ALL ,SO it looksl ike i need an ecu an wiring harness ,waiting on another guy with a smashed 02 busa to see if he will sell me motor ecu wiring etc as im never trustung the current set up again

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/604069_3865032196462_220390160_n.jpg

RevHead
30-11-2012, 05:53 PM
ok just finished chatting to a guy bought his motor and wiring and ecu for 2k,time to stip mine out and dump the crap,lol

Redmohawk
30-11-2012, 06:03 PM
Before you get all spend and see what happens , get a wiring diagram and see exactly what the red wire is. Look for the fault and prove the fault , not just blindly spend money in hope of fixing a fault.

What happens when you drop a new loom and puter into the girl to find the same issue ? Chuck a spaz and burn the fucker ? Better find exactly what the issue is and learn something , then fix it. It may just be the puter and loom but wouldnt it be better to know than guess ?

I know that the red wire looks to be a factory original from the photo but without a good gander first hand Its a guess. Its heavyer than the majority of the wires coming from the plug so must eather carry highter current than most things on a bike (most likley) or need to be low resistance to stop voltage drop (IE sensor wire thats very voltage dependant). First thig you need to know is what the wire is conecting from and to.

Basic fault diag , does it work ? Yes it goes !

Does it work 100% ? No runs like shit

Is there anything obvious ? With wire connected it runs like shit but idles , with wire broken it wont idle but
runs well.

What does wire do/connect ???????? Surely there is a circuit about and you can trace a wire around a loom.

Yella
30-11-2012, 08:29 PM
can I have ya old bits ;)

Sounds like ya getting it sorted Pete.
I am curious what the red wire does as Red said its a heavy wire than the rest in that plug

RevHead
30-11-2012, 08:42 PM
il be selling the shit ,itl be one fast 1100 drag bike,lol,

Ian has DIBS.

RevHead
01-12-2012, 09:51 AM
ok the drama continues ,ive bought a 2004 busa ,with a slightly bend front ,stoopid cars ,its go low k,s ,i will be selling everything of the thing ,exception,of the motor wiring etc ,so big kev chime in ,here,
oh did i mention its in melbourne ,so ive just got to go now,

bladehunter
01-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Road trip ?

RevHead
01-12-2012, 01:28 PM
road trip you in.if i cant thumb a ride from sydney to melbourne and borrow a 6x4 or bike trailer ,il see if i can get it bought to the drags ,to stripp it there ,loading all the shit into my el for the trip home

RevHead
01-12-2012, 01:38 PM
3001this is it.might still be able to rip a burnout or even go down the strip on her,

RevHead
05-12-2012, 03:13 PM
theres this bit thats all im using of the $7500 i spent buying it,fark!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561133_3910376210034_721078864_n.jpg

Mishdog20
05-12-2012, 05:14 PM
U still coming to the drags this weekend Pete??

RevHead
05-12-2012, 05:24 PM
yes my friend on another busa i bought,you gunna help me take off the tupperware when i get ti there

BANDITROD
05-12-2012, 05:36 PM
ill give you hand pete make sure you bring a hammer and some cable ties

RevHead
05-12-2012, 05:43 PM
ill give you hand pete make sure you bring a hammer and some cable ties

DEwalt grinder,lol, as well!

kev@vcm
05-12-2012, 05:52 PM
Pete need to talk to you about parts for my SF please mate , thanks

RevHead
05-12-2012, 06:02 PM
sure man whats the go ,yella bought the whole other bus off me already,

kev@vcm
05-12-2012, 06:43 PM
was looking for the tank to start with if possible

RevHead
05-12-2012, 06:44 PM
iu sold the one i made last week ,i find them on ebay undamaged $100 plus frieght

kev@vcm
05-12-2012, 06:46 PM
cheers , will just get what i need off ebay then cheers

Yella
05-12-2012, 06:50 PM
DEwalt grinder,lol, as well!
Oi play nice I need then in sort of ok condition :-o

BANDITROD
05-12-2012, 06:54 PM
hahahahahahaha

Redmohawk
05-12-2012, 07:00 PM
I could bring the Saw's All make quick work of the plastics/frame etc etc

RevHead
05-12-2012, 07:17 PM
I could bring the Saw's All make quick work of the plastics/frame etc etc

please do!

bahahahah

RevHead
05-12-2012, 07:22 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64659_3884681247676_513306062_n.jpg
the donor bike
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/64659_3884681167674_1152884498_n.jpg

ALBI
05-12-2012, 07:29 PM
So wat could you possibly want with an other one ??
Wasnt sens ol busa complete hmmmm

RevHead
05-12-2012, 07:30 PM
So wat could you possibly want with an other one ??
Wasnt sens ol busa complete hmmmm
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

RevHead
12-12-2012, 09:34 PM
ok both motors out motor from blue busa and wiring in,its still wont start ,its pulled code c12,crank angle sensor,
https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/561133_3910376210034_721078864_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/399362_3910445531767_1136085327_n.jpg

RevHead
12-12-2012, 09:37 PM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/530332_3910506893301_1308703652_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/76792_3910736419039_325064774_n.jpg

BANDITROD
13-12-2012, 08:15 AM
do they have a tilt sensor on them pete make sure its the right way up if it does