GSXR813 Turbo EFI

[slingy88]

I made my own scav pump.

http://i1226.photobucket.com/albums/ee405/latheboy179/IMAG0011.jpg

shitty pic but you get the idea.

It's a oil pump off some china shit box scooter that i made a housing for.
Drives off the SHCS on the crank.

I could send you the drawings if you like.

Yeah drawings would be cool to see. Do you use a sump under the turbo, or is it plumbed straight to the drain?

[latheboy]

-8 hose and fitting straight into bottom of turbo.. I'll send you an email

[slingy88]

So, does this look about right the pump gears to use ?

They are 8.75mm thick.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0252_zps08b405de.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0252_zps08b405de.jpg.html)

[latheboy]

That should work fine, drive is different to my one but that's no big deal...

[slingy88]

Cool, I'll start working out a housing design

[slingy88]

Righto gents, been a loooooong time since i last posted on this.
Be Honest, i had COMPLETELY lost interest and was pretty dispondant about it all after finding the vlave stem seals fucked after only a matter of months compounded by the valves, seats and guides all being shot also.
So, i gave meself a break from it for a few months, durring which i played at making a couple of scavange pumps.
Both of them used the above mentioned chineese pit bike pumps. The first i machined a basic body, with a gallery through it so that both ports were on the back plate, rather like the old emptes pump. This made marking out and milling the ports alot easier. Also made a little drive shaft to drive from the socket head machine screw in the crank rotor. piccs can tell the rest of the story

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0253_zpsaa19cf8c.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0253_zpsaa19cf8c.jpg.html)

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[slingy88]

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[slingy88]

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[slingy88]

Sorry, more pictures than i realised lol.
Ok, so that is mark 1.
Only drill tested, Drill turns at 1300rpm, so a little higher than idle and it suck oil out of a jug and lifts it about 300mm really well.
But i was thinking, its a shame to buy a pump and then throw half of it away, to just remake it.
So, as i had another spare cover, i decided to see if i could simplify it and use more of the pitbike parts.
So heres Mark 2 .
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/tbw0226a_large_zpsnjatblw1.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/tbw0226a_large_zpsnjatblw1.jpg.html)

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http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0603_zps4lu0og7y.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0603_zps4lu0og7y.jpg.html)

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http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0611_zpsdu62cesb.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0611_zpsdu62cesb.jpg.html)

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So, apart from the little drive shaft, basic hand tools can make this pump, and i reckon it works better than my first one and is more compact. I reckon the thick alloy cover plate could be 3mm steel with a hose barb or threaded insert (nut) welded on for pipe connection , so could be even more compact.

[slingy88]

Havnt tested either on an engine yet as havnt had a running engine to test with, but shoulnt be too long.

I ended up aquiring a cheap bandit, wrecked for parts and ended up with a free motor. YIPPIE lol.

So have started fitted that into the slingy.

Sleeved the rear engine mount down to take the slingy lower rear engine bolt, got it in and bolted up.
Went to fit mu coil, (ford EDIS type) and it now fouls on the cam breather. I really want to fit toyota COPS but as always i have to be strategic with my funds, so for the moment i spent a couple of hours to make a new and better engineered mount.

So, old, heavy modified steel ford mount.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0694_zpsl30gcwmn.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0694_zpsl30gcwmn.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

New, light alloy mount which moves the coil up and back, complete with all stainless fasteners.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0691_zpslr4bbgri.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0691_zpslr4bbgri.jpg.html)

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Didnt wont to TIG it together as its quite a tight aukward spot to work in so though it would be better to leave movement in it all untill its all tightened up. So to make it easier to get all the parts in without dropping them verywhere, i receased the bottoms of each spacer so i could put an O-ring around each bolt to hold it all together while lowering it into the bike to fit.


http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0693_zpswkbqlqyh.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0693_zpswkbqlqyh.jpg.html)

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Very pleased with the outcome.

[slingy88]

So, i will keep plodding away at getting this B12 motor in and fired up.

I have got shot of my remote filter setup. It wouldnt fit the bandit sump, and it always played on my mind a bit anyway.
So i decided to try and find a filter to fit in the space i have at the front of the motor, but as the M20X1 filter thread that suzuki uses is specific to them, no other filters will fit.
So, i managed to get the filter thread out of the B12 Block and made a new one up with the thread to fit the B12 block on one end and an M20X1.5 thread on the other as i found a nice short Ryco filter which would fit with that thread. So thats tidied all that up which is good.
Then, i have been beaten by my U bute tablet dashboard, especially as i can just use my phone for datalogging and tuning now the android ShadowDash App is available. The tablet just kept freezing and fucking around and it was very irrattic. One ride all ok, next every 2 minutes it would freeze. Plus, very hard to see in the sun.
So, i got some cheap GSXR750wp clocks which by luck fit really well in my fairing. I will replace the temp gauge with the O2 gauge and add the boost gauge to the top. Should all work out OK i think.
Anyone got a gsxr speedo cable (slingy-watercooled should be ok) they want shot of?
Oh and i got another VFR exhaust for next to nothing, so i can replace the heat shields i cut wrong while fitting, and i might have a go at gutting one set to see how it sounds. The standard ones are very quiet.
So, thats about me up to date, i will keep posting stuff of interest as it happens.
Hopefully a couple of months should see it running again. Cant wait ;)

[ozzy1100]

Now this is the type shit worth reading
Love it......

[slingy88]

Now this is the type shit worth reading
Love it......

Shucks, thanks man ;-)

[Surt]

what ozzy says slingy carry on

[evad]

Great stuff Jack, glad to see you are sticking with it!!

[M.V.]

Just read the whole thread, couple of years too late, but awesome work. Some very cool stuff in there.

Glad to see you're back into it!

[slingy88]

Just read the whole thread, couple of years too late, but awesome work. Some very cool stuff in there.

Glad to see you're back into it!

Really!.............the whole thread, man you must have been board lol
Anyway, thanks for the response guys.
Next little job will be PAIR's blanking plates. Just waiting on a call from the Lazer cutters

[Gix11]

This thread is making me feel like a kid with a spoon and a pair of pliers in his tool box who manage to undo a screw once compared to you. Jaw dropping stuff mate.

[slingy88]

This thread is making me feel like a kid with a spoon and a pair of pliers in his tool box who manage to undo a screw once compared to you. Jaw dropping stuff mate.

Really? That's how I feel about everyone else's threads lol
I am always so jealous of all the nice parts, paint, powdercoat that I see in other people's builds that I am often a bit sheepish about showing my stuff. There's no bling, no brand name stuff, hell most stuff I get is second hand to try and save a buck.

[latheboy]

That's the beauty of it, making stuff fit together that was never designed to is a great thing.

Nice pump, puts mine to shame...

[slingy88]

Thanks, but your pump looks way better than either of mine.One question. When testing I noticed that the hex in the Allen bolts That drive the pump isn't exactly centre so it kinda moves the pump shaftIn a very slightly eccentric motionů. I've tried a few different bolts and they all varie According to manufacture tolerances I suppose but it does and move the cover around a bit.Did you notice this at all? I take it there no issues with it anyway as plenty of peeps done it.Just thought I'd ask an experienced pumper. And just a heads up to all, I have found and Australian supplier of MKR scavange pumps (these are the original Emptes pumps now made by mkr Racing) Pace Motorsport in Perth sell them. They quoted me $435 shipped for the basic pump kit but will also supply a complete engine specific setup if required. Check out Pace Motorsport on Facebook, they have made some wicked turbo bikes. Well worth a look.

[M.V.]

Really!.............the whole thread, man you must have been board lol
Anyway, thanks for the response guys.
Next little job will be PAIR's blanking plates. Just waiting on a call from the Lazer cutters

Slow day at work & stuff I find interesting, good mix.

[latheboy]

Moves the cover??? That's bad cause it'll crack after a while.
SHCS are better than bolts but not by much in that department. Because of the way mine is driven it's not issue.

[slingy88]

Well, I haven't put the cover on the motor yet, but if you hold the cover in one hand and drive the pump with a cordless drill, it shakes the cover a little bit. It does it on both pumps. So then I put a SHCS in the lathe and held a long Allen key in the head while the lathe ran on a slow speed, and you can clearly see the end of the Allen key in the SHCS moving in an eccentric fashion indicating to me that the socket in the head of the screw isn't perfectly centred But I have seen plenty of pumps driven this way, and even the emptes pump drove from the SHCS. So just feel a bit uneasy about it?

[slingy88]

Ok, got my PAIR's blanking plates from the Lazer Cutters. Could have made them easy enough but fancied trying to remember auto cad and i had interest from another guy about a set so seemed good enough reason.
I have 4 sets of these

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0716_zpsfsv9neqv.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0716_zpsfsv9neqv.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/6d04e4e1-5bbc-4ce1-b7a3-38b1588ddc81_zpshnddqucb.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/6d04e4e1-5bbc-4ce1-b7a3-38b1588ddc81_zpshnddqucb.jpg.html)

3mm thick, brushed stainless finnish one side, mat stainless the other.
I am using one set, one set has sold so i have 2 sets available. $40 + p+P per set. PM me if interested.

[slingy88]

Also made a start on my gauges.
So started with these, GSXR750W.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0697_zpshkvwnjuv.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0697_zpshkvwnjuv.jpg.html)

Pulled them apart, removed the temp gauge, attacked it with a 51mm hole saw, abit of drilling and viola, boost gauge.
Just need to paint the bezel black to match the others abit. I know its a shit gauge, not glycerine filled blah blah, but its what i've got at the moment. Just trying to get it back running. Gauges are easy to change. I'd like to use a smoked digital boost gauge to match the Innovate in the end.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0742_zpsu7xt34yz.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0742_zpsu7xt34yz.jpg.html)

And it will sort of sit like this

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0743_zps0ib9c8uc.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0743_zps0ib9c8uc.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0744_zpsll8lifnq.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0744_zpsll8lifnq.jpg.html)

So marked out a rough mark 1 mount on some 3mm alloy, next job is to set too and cut it out and see how close it is.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/DSC_0741_zpsmlvvsxds.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/DSC_0741_zpsmlvvsxds.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

hacked out plate enough to bolt to clocks and try for placement, but they were a little pissed, so took some data from this and made the M2 one which fitted purrrfect.
Then set about cutting it to clear the idiot lights etc and filing it all up to look a bit pretty
piccy time!

So here the roughed out M1 Bracket. As you can see its rough!
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0706_zps1vuawoxv.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0706_zps1vuawoxv.jpg.html)

Heres the M2 finnished item set on top of the M1 so you can see how far out my first attempt was.
I would also like to point out, the M2 bracket was roughed out just the same as the M1 , then just fettled for 1/2 an hour or so to refine the shape back to where i wanted it.
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0707_zps69gki5fn.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0707_zps69gki5fn.jpg.html)

Then the bracket bolted back on the old fork mounts so you can see how it works back in
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0705_zpshksugbh4.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0705_zpshksugbh4.jpg.html)

And how it fits the back of the clocks
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0708_zpsvpswkbgd.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0708_zpsvpswkbgd.jpg.html)

And then fitted on the bike
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0710_zps5wgi0bmw.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0710_zps5wgi0bmw.jpg.html)

Very happy with how its turned out and all for not much at all ;)

[slingy88]

Also, i refitted the sprocket and bearing outrigger plate.

This turned into a real bloody ballache. I thought all oil boiler bottom ends were the same , but not so.
The bandit output shaft and gear selector shaft are all longer by 4mm!

4 BLOODY MILLOMETERS.

It might not sound alot but was a real PITA to work around as all the origional tollerance's the bearing plate was made to were quite tight as it was so to loose that and get everything to fit again took way more time than expected.
Yeah, i'll just bolt on my sprocket and plate , job done.......NOOOOO! Got to love bike building lol.

[Surt]

oi Jack i remember you said you used the reed valve on the main oil pump for scavenging oil from the turbine, what was the reed and the opening sizes?

[slingy88]

oi Jack i remember you said you used the reed valve on the main oil pump for scavenging oil from the turbine, what was the reed and the opening sizes?

Hay Surt.
Sorry mate, I never ran a a full reed valve scavange system. On my original 750 build I was just able to keep the turbo bearings above the oil level. I then plumbed the return back to the oil pick up to ensure no surging under breaking and figured I would still get some scavange effect. But like I said, no reads.

[slingy88]

Take a look at this, there's some good info on reed systems and others.

http://azbiketech.yuku.com/topic/925/Oil-Scavenging-Alternatives

[slingy88]

And don't forget, that as the oil return will be below the oil level, you will need a one way check valve. The best seem to be the Aeroquip ones. Very low crack pressure so easy for the reed system to open.
Also you will need a check valve on the oil supply to the turbo to stop syphoning of oil into the turbo after shut down. Needs a low crack pressure like 1 -5 psi. Rb racing do a good one. Check out there website.

[Surt]

Hay Surt.
Sorry mate, I never ran a a full reed valve scavange system. On my original 750 build I was just able to keep the turbo bearings above the oil level. I then plumbed the return back to the oil pick up to ensure no surging under breaking and figured I would still get some scavange effect. But like I said, no reads.

i see... how high was the oil outlet on turbine above the oil level? mine is just about 10 mm which obviously is not enough
thanks for the link, i have the same pics (the whole article in fact) from a mag but it doesn't have measurements

[Surt]

And don't forget, that as the oil return will be below the oil level, you will need a one way check valve. The best seem to be the Aeroquip ones. Very low crack pressure so easy for the reed system to open.
Also you will need a check valve on the oil supply to the turbo to stop syphoning of oil into the turbo after shut down. Needs a low crack pressure like 1 -5 psi. Rb racing do a good one. Check out there website.

yup i have the check valve just in case, although in the article i mentioned there was a direct line from the turbo's oil outlet into the sump (below the oil level as well) concerning the syphoning, i might use an oil catch tank like youself.
what im thinking of is the 1st start up when the reed valve is shut up and there's no oil inside the pick up funnel. probably i'll have to fill it through the drain line manually... if i shan't fucking forget to do it lol

[slingy88]

My actual turbine shaft was on the high oil line of the site glass.
So the actual oil drain outlet was below this point.
I used to only fill with oil to the bottom of the site glass, then while the engine is running, this oil level drops anyway as oil is pushed up into the head etc.
So mine was all very borderline, but with the turbo plumbed into the oil pickup as well, never had any return or smoking issues at all. It all worked fine. Thus was ihi turbo, not that makes any difference.
If you are saying that the bottom of your bearing centre is 10mm above the oil level in the sump, I would just plumb it into the oil pick up as I did and all should be good. You shouldn't need the reeds or any of the one way valves. Your only issue nay be when put on a paddock stand the oil level rises at the front of the motor as the rear is lifted and your 10mm difference will disappear. But if this is 10 mm to the bottom of the bearing centre, you will probably have another 20-25mm to get to the shaft seal on the turbo, so all up, you may actually have 30-35mm of difference between oil level and actual shaft seal of turbo to play with, so still maybe ok.

[Surt]

btw heres the article

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012758_zpskvsaktt5.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012758_zpskvsaktt5.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012762_zpsnyuqkn32.jpg

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012759_zpsjkvvwrik.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012759_zpsjkvvwrik.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012760_zpsr0vdbfi1.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012760_zpsr0vdbfi1.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012761_zpsxosgwme2.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012761_zpsxosgwme2.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012762_zpsnyuqkn32.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012762_zpsnyuqkn32.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012763_zpsd0hr1xz2.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012763_zpsd0hr1xz2.jpg.html)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n198/Hades_Ride/13112012764_zpsdoncxyup.jpg (http://s112.photobucket.com/user/Hades_Ride/media/13112012764_zpsdoncxyup.jpg.html)

[Surt]

My actual turbine shaft was on the high oil line of the site glass.
So the actual oil drain outlet was below this point.
I used to only fill with oil to the bottom of the site glass, then while the engine is running, this oil level drops anyway as oil is pushed up into the head etc.
So mine was all very borderline, but with the turbo plumbed into the oil pickup as well, never had any return or smoking issues at all. It all worked fine. Thus was ihi turbo, not that makes any difference.
If you are saying that the bottom of your bearing centre is 10mm above the oil level in the sump, I would just plumb it into the oil pick up as I did and all should be good. You shouldn't need the reeds or any of the one way valves. Your only issue nay be when put on a paddock stand the oil level rises at the front of the motor as the rear is lifted and your 10mm difference will disappear. But if this is 10 mm to the bottom of the bearing centre, you will probably have another 20-25mm to get to the shaft seal on the turbo, so all up, you may actually have 30-35mm of difference between oil level and actual shaft seal of turbo to play with, so still maybe ok.

thats all sounds pretty good for me coz like i said, its the outlet flange that is 10 mm higher the middle line of the glass, so i was gunna try it without the reed valve first. thanks for the hints mate and sorry for highjacking the thread

[slingy88]

No worries man.
Definitely just plumb it in to the pickup then.
Simples lol

[Surt]

no need for the oil catch tank you reckon? i mean the oil drain can mate

[slingy88]

Nope , any oil that drains into the turbo after shut down will just gravity drain out into the sump, so no catch can needed. When I get home, I'll post a few pictures of my old setup if you like.

[Surt]

yup yup would be awesome Jack!

[slingy88]

Ok, i dont have many pics actually but here you go.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/100_0429Medium.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/100_0429Medium.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/100_0427Medium.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/100_0427Medium.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/100_0432Medium.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/100_0432Medium.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/100_0458Medium.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/100_0458Medium.jpg.html)

And in this one , if you strike a line forward from the oil sight glass to the turbo parallel with the ground you can see how close all the levels were.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/750%20slingshot/100_0461Medium.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/750%20slingshot/100_0461Medium.jpg.html)

[Surt]

bahaha so ive had YOUR pic! i mean the 1st one. the sump is absolutely different to mine but the upper print is the same. i cut mine to make it like yours but i'd have taken yours because mine has the oil cooler bungs located right after the filter therefore i can't use an outboard filter, at least i still can't figure out how to do it, the bloody bungs are on the way

[slingy88]

Right oh, its been a bloody long time people, not helped by Microsoft!! Old laptop was XP which worked great but ended up getting completely unusable so know have new (to me) bigger better faster laptop which still has a serial port for tuning the bike. Taken a little while to transfer all my files over, get all my short cuts again, remember all those annoying passwords etc, but i am finally there so business can resume finally.

So, have been busy with work and reno's and weddings (not mine, i have already done that) so have had limited time, but as i last posted in may, i do have some progress to show.

No1 being a bespoke super CNC machined ignition cover, fuck yeah!!!!
Mmmmm no not really but had a little go at making one anyway, so here it is

Bit of CAD drawing and i had 2 Waterjet cut 25mm thick alloy blanks

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0820_zpsqkwv7r29.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0820_zpsqkwv7r29.jpg.html)

pretty good finnish. a bit like very fine oxy

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0786_zpsl50do7dq.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0786_zpsl50do7dq.jpg.html)

Got them to just centre mark the holes so took one blank and drilled it out and tried it on my spare cases

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0833_zpsckqy1lld.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0833_zpsckqy1lld.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0832_zpsjeuugp2z.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0832_zpsjeuugp2z.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

Then chucked in the Shun Shin for some lathe action

First open out the inside recess

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0834_zpsdabxsnej.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0834_zpsdabxsnej.jpg.html)

Then spun around and did the outside

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0835_zps4p8ohfhu.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0835_zps4p8ohfhu.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0836_zps4vmpiucf.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0836_zps4vmpiucf.jpg.html)

Then used my crappy mill slide setup and my one and only 25mm endmill to make the final clearance for for the oil pressure switch

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0839_zpsxoxyykif.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0839_zpsxoxyykif.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0838_zpsalwjxpnr.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0838_zpsalwjxpnr.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

I have to stress that i couldnt really see what i was doing when milling as the cover was so close to the lathe chuck hence why its a bit choppy choppy.

Anyway, this then alloed me to bolt it on the engine like so

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0843_zpszpkhurb5.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0843_zpszpkhurb5.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0842_zpskphlldha.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0842_zpskphlldha.jpg.html)

[ozzy1100]

Much coolness

[slingy88]

Next job was make a new sump for the turbo, the old one was a bit on the small side, had a restrictive pick up position and was always weeping abit where it joined onto the turbo.
So wanted to make a new one with an O ring seal and a solid block drilled through to clamp it on rather than a fabricated system like i had before, so here we go, more pictures

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0830_zpslcvifalg.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0830_zpslcvifalg.jpg.html)

In this one you can see the baffle i put in just in front of the drain hole, so it fill with oil while stationary but hopefully shouldnt surge forward under braking etc. and you can see the cross drilled alloy block with the drain hole

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0836_zpst8xxdewi.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0836_zpst8xxdewi.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0835_zpsg0ztbq3w.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0835_zpsg0ztbq3w.jpg.html)

And i ran a cross drilled drain hole at the back with 1/4" BSPT threads in each side so i have options in the future for pumping out of either side but i also wanted to incorporate a site tube with a breather which i figured would also double as an overflow hole, so just incase it trys to fill the turbo with oil, know it should start dripping out the breather hole in the top of the site tube before it starts filling the exhaust. See how it all pans out i suppose but go to be better than what i had.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0833_zpsepzzz1px.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0833_zpsepzzz1px.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0842_zpsnwuchsgm.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0842_zpsnwuchsgm.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0843_zpsbkfoxutr.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0843_zpsbkfoxutr.jpg.html)

[ozzy1100]

As stated much coolness

[slingy88]

Next, i am still not happy with either of the mechanical scavange pumps i made (and having used my 2 ignition covers to make them, this is one reason i made my own cover haha), so decided to stick with the VDO pump for one last fling. Did some testing and it seems to pump really well and was able to suck oil up a metre of 10mm pipe vertically in about 3 seconds so has plenty of suction as well. So, my old setup had the VDO pump mounted on the turbo sump, but i wanted it more tucked up out the way so made a new mount for it to go with the new sump.
so found a bit of pipe that nearly fitted the pump with some old silicone around it for a cushioned grip, so threw that in the Shun Shin and opened it out so the pump and rubber suround slid in.then cut varoius slots and holes for the wires and pipes and welded on a bit of rod that was drilled and tapped to make a pinch bolt. Then made some plates to bolt onto the centre stand mounts on the slingy frame and drilled some holes in it all for looks.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0845_zpskze5sfzk.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0845_zpskze5sfzk.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0844_zpskzuzrgkt.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0844_zpskzuzrgkt.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0848_zpsjltwuj2e.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0848_zpsjltwuj2e.jpg.html)

And then how it all looks together
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0847_zpskpylgl6x.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0847_zpskpylgl6x.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

Oh yeah, and nearly forgot, i needed to get the oil back into the engine, and as i already had my old 750 clutch cover with a fitting in it i decided to see if it could be made to fit the bandit engine.....and yes it can . so just punch out the clutch lifting mech, use the grinder and flapper wheel to remove the lump in the middle of the cover and flatten back the internal ribs untill you have clearance over the clutch basket and grind off and clean up the clutch cable bracket. Done, Then you also have a nice point to use as a breather.

So, cover ground out

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0822_zps9znxws84.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0822_zps9znxws84.jpg.html)

Fitted
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0821_zps448fmrtl.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0821_zps448fmrtl.jpg.html)

Then make a breather fitting
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0824_zpslag0o7fr.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0824_zpslag0o7fr.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0825_zpsdpcznndy.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0825_zpsdpcznndy.jpg.html)

Its a good tight fit in the cover with the o-ring around it
http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0826_zps93hxlu8m.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0826_zps93hxlu8m.jpg.html)

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0828_zpsbmicz86f.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0828_zpsbmicz86f.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

And i have been gathering parts to replace my fucked forks, so i have some

GSXR750M tripples so they should bolt straight in to the frame,

07 ZX10R fork legs as they bolt into the tripples and are 10mm longer than my existing forks so at least i wont loose any precious ground clearance

95 ZX600F wheel as its spindle matches the width of the M tripples and the diameter of the ZX10 axle holes and has a mechanical speedo drive which i want

13 ZX6 Nissin monoblock radial calipers

Nissin radial master cylinder

And hopefully some 320mm zx9 discs from the very generous Haggar. Bloody Top bloke he is :D

So just need to find a suitable muddy that i like, make some disc and caliper spacers and some new headlight mounts and we should be in buissiness

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss11/slingy88/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0823_zps7pyo2ngm.jpg (http://s557.photobucket.com/user/slingy88/media/GSXR%20Turbo/DSC_0823_zps7pyo2ngm.jpg.html)

[slingy88]

As stated much coolness

Cheers Mate, didnt see you post, was too busy linking pictures and stuff haha

[ozzy1100]

All good, most people have no idea just how much and how hard to get right some of this work is

[Surt]

awesome reading as usual Jack, luv watchin you're tryin one way then another one and then all over again, i aint that kind of a perfectionist at all but your options could be very helpful at need

[latheboy]

Sick, nice cover.... I reckon it would look even better if you C/B the cap screws so they are nice and flush.

[Gix11]

Fuck me, you two (3 if you include Surt) are upping the ante on the shed built custom parts front around here!

[slingy88]

awesome reading as usual Jack, luv watchin you're tryin one way then another one and then all over again, i aint that kind of a perfectionist at all but your options could be very helpful at need

Wouldn't call it being a perfectionist Surt. I try to keep my fabrication tidy and functional but always seems to come out a bit agricultural really. And just doing things over to get something that might actually work haha

[slingy88]

Sick, nice cover.... I reckon it would look even better if you C/B the cap screws so they are nice and flush.

Thanks, yeah had thought about countersunk fasteners. Might do that ;-)

[slingy88]

Fuck me, you two (3 if you include Surt) are upping the ante on the shed built custom parts front around here!

Cheers Si