hey guys, my father is the wa spokes person for the umca, may have seen heard his speaches on the news, if anyone from here has any questions about it all, pm/email me and i will forward his email to you, this is one big fark up and we need to fight it together, jap crap or not, there is a schit load more to it than that, what ever state ur in get to one of the rallies and show ur support against this 'law'
The Iraq war was supposodely fought over WMD but ultimately I believe another point was to ensure the Arab "tribes" never join together with a common cause.quote:The NWO does not want people to have an identity or be in groups because that gives them strength.
This mixing up of people all over the world is to de-nationalise them, rob them of their identity, rob them of their sense of national pride, rob them of their strength.
Thats what the NWO is about, taking away peoples strength anyway they can. Using the nanny state, control, lies, spin and propoganda.
Man is tribal by nature. Everything revolves around tribal culture.
Taking that away means they take away that feeling of identity, the strength of the tribe.
We all even subconsciously belong to, or aspire to belong to a particular tribe or several tribes.
Which tribes do you belong to ?
Aussie ?
Brit ?
Ruskie ?
Football fan?
Rocker?
Mod?
Skinhead?
Goth?
Biker?
Bike clubs?
Hippie?
Religionist?
Punk?
Man?
Woman?
Not sure?
etc...
Its all tribal mate
Arab fighting Arab, world is a, relatively, peaceful place.
Yeah we lose a "Couple" of our boys but all in the name of keeping the tribes fighting.
I just read section 35.quote:Originally posted by Gixxer_rat85
For those who are interested, here is the link detailing the `new law`...if you can`t be assed reading it all, skip to section 35. http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/s.../saoca2008352/
I don`t do drugs (anymore hehehe), nor do I engage in any illegal activity aside from the occasional traffic offence.
I am in violation of the law because some of my associates and family members HAPPEN to be either members of so-called `outlaw` organisations or engage in illegal activity.
So i have some funky friends....LOCK ME UP!
They are starting with HA because the mainstream identify them as bad asses, therefore don`t care what happens to them. They are an easy mark...but the way the law is written anyone and almost everyone could be next.
Agree with this fascist bullshit at your own peril folks
That some draconian shit there !!
Reading from that document if anyone apart from "close family" associates with a club member on 6 occassions within a 12 month period they are commiting a criminal act, subject to a max term of 5 years inside.
Again reading from that document, "associating" means any Email, phone call or letter. Would attending the club house by non-members be included in that term "association" ?
From what I read in there, members of close family does not include sons and daughters? Or did I miss something ?
You're a bit loose with that 'couple' word mate, 17 so far.quote:Originally posted by Hagarr
The Iraq war was supposodely fought over WMD but ultimately I believe another point was to ensure the Arab "tribes" never join together with a common cause.quote:The NWO does not want people to have an identity or be in groups because that gives them strength.
This mixing up of people all over the world is to de-nationalise them, rob them of their identity, rob them of their sense of national pride, rob them of their strength.
Thats what the NWO is about, taking away peoples strength anyway they can. Using the nanny state, control, lies, spin and propoganda.
Man is tribal by nature. Everything revolves around tribal culture.
Taking that away means they take away that feeling of identity, the strength of the tribe.
We all even subconsciously belong to, or aspire to belong to a particular tribe or several tribes.
Which tribes do you belong to ?
Aussie ?
Brit ?
Ruskie ?
Football fan?
Rocker?
Mod?
Skinhead?
Goth?
Biker?
Bike clubs?
Hippie?
Religionist?
Punk?
Man?
Woman?
Not sure?
etc...
Its all tribal mate
Arab fighting Arab, world is a, relatively, peaceful place.
Yeah we lose a "Couple" of our boys but all in the name of keeping the tribes fighting.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
simular to the Criminal Justice Act then?
Cool shit aint it? I particularly like section 35, subsection 9........ (9) For the avoidance of doubt, in proceedings for an offence against this section, it is not necessary for the prosecution to prove that the defendant associated with another person for any particular purpose or that the association would have led to the commission of any offence.
Nice work! Fuckers don`t even have to PROVE that you even associated with anyone at all.
Read the whole sentence.
"it is not necessary for the prosecution to prove that the defendant associated with another person for any particular purpose..."
Gixer they still have to prove you associated with said "nominated criminal" but they don't have to prove why or that it was to comit a crime just that you associated with them is an offence . Fucked, you can travel to Iran talk to who ever you like there and come home all's fine(assuming you make it back lol) , but talk to a HA in a pub a few times and your breaking the law. (If it passes)
I reckon David Hicks would argue that one.quote:Originally posted by Redmohawk
Fucked, you can travel to Iran talk to who ever you like there and come home all's fine(assuming you make it back lol)
Yeah, he just mistook a terrorist training camp for the trailer park....
Jesus died for his own sins...NOT MINE !
Yep sorry Dan I'm with Sharky on this one, pretty confident David Hicks was doing a bit more than talking.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I don't doubt it for a second. Nor do I doubt that if you visit a dodgy country you instantly become a "person of interest" to ASIO.
Do you mean to say that it's perfectly reasonable to become a person of interest to the authorities if you're observed knowingly associating with a group of people well known to engage in criminal activity?! [:0]quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
I don't doubt it for a second. Nor do I doubt that if you visit a dodgy country you instantly become a "person of interest" to ASIO.
That's the way I see it!quoteo you mean to say that it's perfectly reasonable to become a person of interest to the authorities if you're observed knowingly associating with a group of people well known to engage in criminal activity?!
whether it's legal or not, you will still be tarred with a brush if you have association with anyone who is seen as a bit dodgy. I had it written up in my probationary at work that i was associated with a known criminal... she'd done time for killing her boyfriend in self defence. I didn't kill him and I wasn't even hanging about with her for about 10 years when she was off the rails - didn't stop me getting shit for it. Life ain't fair. Told them at the time I didn't care what they thought, that she was a rehabilitated memember of society and why were they persecuting ME for something she did?
The law has loads of hidden loopholes like section (9).... sneaky fucks put them in there for exactly those reasons.
Crazy, isn't it?quote:Originally posted by Jup
Do you mean to say that it's perfectly reasonable to become a person of interest to the authorities if you're observed knowingly associating with a group of people well known to engage in criminal activity?! [:0]
And what's crazier is that people seem to think that this is a new thing...
Yep, Cruise is right, it's been going on forever.quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
Crazy, isn't it?quote:Originally posted by Jup
Do you mean to say that it's perfectly reasonable to become a person of interest to the authorities if you're observed knowingly associating with a group of people well known to engage in criminal activity?! [:0]
And what's crazier is that people seem to think that this is a new thing...
I remember back in the 60's NSW had athing called the "consorting squad".
I know this because my ENTIRE family was under their watch as my old man in their opinion "consorted" with "known" criminals.
He was a bloody services club manager for fuck sake & a heap of them drank there.
Funny thing was so did most of the local plod.
(Us kids even used to get followed to & from school sometimes, the fuckers were so bad at it that even us primary school kids could pick them.LOL)
So Yeah, it's nothing new really just a beefed up, fucked up version of shit that's been happening for decades.[}]
Patch or not lets all pick on the 2 wheeled minority. We have always been an easy target. Fucked if i'll stand for it though.
Now signed up member of UMC.
When it hits the fan at least I will know I didnt sit around pretending it would never happen.
Jesus died for his own sins...NOT MINE !
With regards to "association" or proof of "association" its important to remember the authorities have the technology
to monitor all phone calls and txts in or out and also who phones who.
So if anyone phones or texts, or even say has a certain phone number on their phone, this can be easily tracked and monitored.
Trust me on this : landlines and mobile phones are easily monitored, even if not registered to any name !
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