Criminalised ?

The UK system is bent as fuck no doubt about it.

My view is who the hell are the scuzzie politicians to tell anyone how to behave?

If you want to have a looksie about how bent our UK system is take a peek at systematic child abuse by the authorities in charge here?

http://www.pienmashfilms.com/

Read up about Hollie Grieg yet ?

http://www.ukcolumn.org/2010/02/11/a...or-paedophilia

Justice in this country ? Not in my lifetime !

I do relate a lot to the bike clubs and their culture, a few people have asked me why I never joined. Too old too crippled now anyway.

I know thats a contradiction in my beliefs, but as you get older you get sick of and jaded by the lying cheating bastards who claim to represent the law and justice. [xx(]

Law ? Their is no law !

The fuckers who make the laws will only apply them to suite themselves, to whom they want to and when they want to, if they want to.
When it come to their own kind and big issues, the laws becomes all vague or irrelevant.

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They tried similar in Canada years ago cc...the clubs just removed their patches in public and went about their business blending in to the rest of society...and the police lost track of them...
Yep...that worked...

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Exactly !
Aint rocket science is it.

The Dutch Government declared all bike clubs to be illegal militia a few years ago. Didnt change anything.

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Gitsy I am not making any comment about the law or the bike clubs, I was raising the question: has it happened yet ? The news media here says the Aus gov is considering making them illegal thats all.

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All good dude, I think I jumped the gun, but you started an interesting debate to say the least with 1 link hey... lol. ;)

I'm trying to imagine Dutch bikies and I keep picturing Gold Member.

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Apples and oranges again Tony, I'm fairly confident golf clubs don't require members conduct illegal activities to prove they are worthy and don't suggest that the patch clubs don't either because I know they do for a fact, perhaps not all but defenitely fair amount.

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Maybe they don't require you to commit a crime to join, but I bet their membership has a similar percentage of criminals.

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quote:Originally posted by HOS

Gitsy I am not making any comment about the law or the bike clubs, I was raising the question: has it happened yet ? The news media here says the Aus gov is considering making them illegal thats all.

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All good dude, I think I jumped the gun, but you started an interesting debate to say the least with 1 link hey... lol. ;)

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I maintain a "saving my health" respect for the bike clubs.
TBh I admire aspects of the way they live although I couldnt do it.

No one knows their business unless your in the club and if you do know, best not talk about it ;)

Too pissed to read all the lengthy posts on this, but once clubs (any club, from long-stitch appreciaters to car clubs or even bike clubs), can be outlawed as criminal gangs we are ALL in a lot of trouble. Individuals commit crimes, not clubs. If you and I were both members of club x, (ok, bad example), and I was dealing coke, or robbing kwik-e-marts or whatever, would that make you a criminal? Of course not! Letting the law throw a blanket over entire clubs coz of a bad rep, or actions of some members, we may as well put on red shirts and march in goose step. My 2 cents

Quiz for ya ;):D

Which club does this describe?

Has a very tough initiation ceremony.
Once you`re in you`re in for life, unless kicked out in disgrace or dead.
Has its own heirarchy of ranks and officers.
Has very few if any female members.
Has its own signs for club members and its own language.
Has its own club houses with admission for members or their guests only.
Club regalia must be worn in the club house/meetings.
You take into your home and shelter other club members when asked to.
What is discussed in the clubhouse stays there.
The club runs annual events raising thousands of pounds for worthy charities.
Total loyalty to the club is moot.
You further the aims of the club and bring in new potential members.








The club is: .... The Freemasons ;)

Irony [:o)]

Catch ya later Gitsy, its midday yesterday here in the UK. :D
I`m off into town to take the piss out the freak show... [:p]

Hmmm, I rest my case....coulda been any `outlaw` bike club, or street gang etc. But no, it was a reveered and upstanding organisation. Like I said, we`re ALL in a lot of trouble. Nice one, HOS

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Hmmm, I rest my case....coulda been any `outlaw` bike club, or street gang etc. But no, it was a reveered and upstanding organisation. Like I said, we`re ALL in a lot of trouble. Nice one, HOS

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Pardon?

Clubs themselves aren't the issue here, it is the illegal activities that these clubs are involved in.
I failed to see any such activities stated by HOS relating to the Freemasons, so his point is vague and irrelevant at best and not even close to ironic.

Wonder how many ASF member do things that are 'naughty' ??? thus all of us inc you CC are guilty by association.......

Has ASF been declared a criminal organisation?

Not yet...but then again it was only today that the NSW police applied to have the HA declared so who knows...

Shit ,for a second I thought you were talking about Amway.[:o)]

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Quiz for ya ;):D

Which club does this describe?

Has a very tough initiation ceremony.
Once you`re in you`re in for life, unless kicked out in disgrace or dead.
Has its own heirarchy of ranks and officers.
Has very few if any female members.
Has its own signs for club members and its own language.
Has its own club houses with admission for members or their guests only.
Club regalia must be worn in the club house/meetings.
You take into your home and shelter other club members when asked to.
What is discussed in the clubhouse stays there.
The club runs annual events raising thousands of pounds for worthy charities.
Total loyalty to the club is moot.
You further the aims of the club and bring in new potential members.








The club is: .... The Freemasons ;)

Irony [:o)]

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didnt this exaxt same thing try to get put through last year
and the cops declared WAR on all outlaw gangs

i guess it wasnt much of a war and they are trying for round 2 now?



ps- who the fuck would want to be a member of a golf club?

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Hmmm, I rest my case....coulda been any `outlaw` bike club, or street gang etc. But no, it was a reveered and upstanding organisation. Like I said, we`re ALL in a lot of trouble. Nice one, HOS

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Pardon?

Clubs themselves aren't the issue here, it is the illegal activities that these clubs are involved in.
I failed to see any such activities stated by HOS relating to the Freemasons, so his point is vague and irrelevant at best and not even close to ironic.

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Read up on P2 Masons if you believe they are all good, decent God fearing boys ? :D

Thats one branch of the global elite club.

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didnt this exaxt same thing try to get put through last year
and the cops declared WAR on all outlaw gangs

i guess it wasnt much of a war and they are trying for round 2 now?



ps- who the fuck would want to be a member of a golf club?

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i reckon this is a trick question but my answer would be - 'A Golfer?' am i right fimpy


As for the rest of the thread...

http://www.mcnews.com.au/NewsArchive...ses_rebels.htm

Yeah they are just a bunch of guys that get together and ride.... its so obvious i dont know why the police dont see it

Good point about the freemasons... they got driven underground cos they were persecuted too. So many groups if they don't fit in to the norm are treated like this. You try being pagan over here without predujuice or people think you're a devil worshipper. Am I fuck. And no I don't prance about neked or in silly dresses like some of them fluffy bastards lol

Point is that if they nail this criminal label on HA or any other biker club, then we are on a slippery road down to hell. I saw a program on another longer standing Oz bike club and they were formed from kids in care in the 60's who'd been abused.. it's no wonder they live a different lifestyle.. and it's not I'd want for myself but they have this strange honour for their brotherhood. This attitude to the 'family' is prevailant in most bike clubs like this.

It's not just HA what about Outlaws and other MC's? I think the police have been watching to much Sons of Anachy. In that show (and yeah I watch it purely for entertainment and not factual shit) they take off their patch when they don't want to be identified. SO what is a law going to do to stop people engaged in crime? It was illegal to do these things before and guess what, it didn't mean shit to them then. Just like I know it's a crime to go over the speed limit - I still do it. I'm no angel but I'm a scumbag either cos I break certain laws.

I've read enough biographies from coppers who've gone undercover to see that the police don't have a scooby what's going on or how to stop it. If they really want to piss clubs like the HA off, then legalise it... wonder if that would take the shine off it lol

I met a few chapters at Avebury when they passed over Gerry and another fallen member a couple of years ago. None of the fluffys felt intimidated by a hundred patched up Hells Angels saying goodbye to their fallen friends and they behaved themselves afterwards too. They are just people in a club at the end of the day. If they can't wear a badge then no other group should be able to either - it tells the world who they are. That deal in the airport was fucked up... I can see why the police want to stomp on that but I bet the top brass in the HA did that for them.

I prance around naked what wrong with that? But I don't bother with silly dresses