Here y'are matey,
GSX1000 Kat with Busa lump. Got some good build photos too.
http://www.motormaniaracing.com/moto...SX-mpatsos.htm
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Here y'are matey,
GSX1000 Kat with Busa lump. Got some good build photos too.
http://www.motormaniaracing.com/moto...SX-mpatsos.htm
thats unfuckin believable Hos 400rwbhp @1bar sounds like very expensive mods completely out of my budget... btw i've recently heard that there's some greek town where the biggest number of lamborginis per 1000 people in the world! in fuckin greece! no wonder they've gone bankrupt the whole bloody cunt'ry! bahaha!!!
Thats been on here before. Cyprus not Greece.
More of a frame built around an engine than an
engine dropped into a frame ? Very interesting though.
What if you used/added side rails that went around the motor
over the side casings, like a Harris Magnum, and removed the
bottom under the motor tubes? Put the motor in from below
as on the Busa ?
yup thats exactly wat i mean to do - adding side rails and removing the lower ones and yup limassol is in cyprus but it belong to greece tho half of cyprus is still occupied by turkey me reckons
Almost moved to Cyprus.
spent a LOT of time there.
I was just looking through the "Harris" folder.
Removing half the down tubes and the rails under and
then using welded in, outside "over the casing" rails ?
There's a few different ones. I see some are quite
minimal, whilst others have more bracing.
Engine mounts would need some thinking, B12 sits
in its frame, Busa is hung from its.
Interesting.
side mounts r no prob unlike (probably) rear mounts cos its always easier to make smth from scratch than modifying smth given
I like the idea of taking the frame tubes around the outside of the barrels/head which is how the stock alloy beam frame works. BUT as you say when you start taking more away from that relatively spindley B12 frame, you are getting into the territory of building the frame from scratch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surt
That stock frame is a composite unit and even using the engine as a stressed member, the over all integrity of the frame is still to a degree compromised. The more you remove the more compromised it becomes. Sorry to state the bleeding obvious.
;)
I found a Lambretta with a Busa engine on the interweb !!
:confused:
there was a custom steel framed turbo busa thread on here but since the asf moved on to where it is now everythins fucked up i kunt find anythin... pics in older threads r gone to hell etc... twas large's schismatic thread and i saved the pics from it but my terrabyte disc has fucked up as well... moreover, i've met her builder on arse book but kunt remember his name wtf!!! ahaha!!!
anyway, i remerber the frame by heart and im gunna modify the bandits frame in the mid section likewisep
ps yup i saw that abused lamb awhile back mate
pps wat years busa motor is better for turbochargin? 1st gen me thinks err?
yup ive found it after a few hs search
http://i44.tinypic.com/10h3rwl.jpg
A hell of a lot more choice of parts for a Gen 1 motor. Older model, more parts = cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surt
The Gen 2 they changed the whole works inside.
the whole works? what exactly mate? there r mostly '04-'08 motor kits on evil bay with pretty modest milage
They changed pistons, barrels, crank, head, cams, throttle bodies, ECU etc etc the whole works.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surt
The Gen 2 came in during 2009/2010?
Gen 1 early models had a cam chain tensioner recall. They did change the ECU a couple of times during the life of the Gen 1 and some other minor changes, like later bikes have a lambda sensor in the exhaust collector box area which is linked to the ECU.
If you are going with forced induction you will replace the ECU anyway.
I had the first mutli-point USB hub Power Commander in the UK with a lot more programming ability. But Power Commanders have moved on since then.
What do you mean by a motor "kit" on evilsbay? A Turbo kit for the motor? There is only one guy I would buy a ready made turbo kit off.
i mean a complete engine with tbs harness ecu even airbox oil cooler and zorst header... so considering the baby probs buyin '04-'08 motors is a good plan?
I had a Gen 2 motor in October 07.
Internaly Gen2 and B-Kings are 100% the same thing.
Gen2 has thiner barrels and titanium valves.
Not ideal for a Turbo. Gen1 barrels will go on a Gen2
and valves are available too. A little more work but a newer motor.
Not sure about turbo use but Gen2/King ECU have made powercommanders
a thing of the past. Anything can be remapped beyond the ability of a P.C.
for a normaly aspirated motor.
Justin is the man to talk to about ECU re-mapping
http://www.woolichracing.com/default.aspx
There are some f#ckin' fast Turbo Gen2's about,
and I know to a 500+hp B-King with the same motor,
have a word with Booster (Greg) who's built and owned both.
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/for...rs-new-project
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/for...-B-K-turbo-kit
EDIT: I think Greg has a GT32 turbo for sale.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Nitrous
My mate who builds and races drag bikes (ACU) says they aint 100% the same.
Different type and shape of piston, different piston centres therefore different crank. etc etc
i hear ya mate gen2 motors r about 4 grands so beyond my budget anyway so im prowlin around in searches for '04-07 motors shazbot nanu nanu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQnwXrmp4eI
/kinda like the corrected version hey!/
PM me ya Email addy Surt? and I'll send you some photos of Jase on his B12 drag bike.
He asked me to be his pit bitch, at 7 foot tall who was I to say no ? :D :D
Busa (Gen2)Quote:
Originally Posted by HOS
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model...emblies/126726
B-King.
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model...emblies/126477
looks like u of fucked up Colin! go study the part numbers bahaha!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Nitrous
So you are showing me a Gen 2 part compared to a B-King part off a cheap parts site?
The B. King motor shared very few parts with a Gen 1 Busa either.
Yes I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Surt
Only I used the official Suzuki parts site and apart from the camchain there are no parts sharing the same part numbers in the top end of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Busa.
Believe what you want to Surt, I'm outta this thread. Had 5 of em myself and got mates who turbo them and race them. The B.King tony was on about is one of my mates and its a 550 bhp bike.
As I said to you Surt talk to the experts I mentioned or it will cost ya a lot more than money.
no sweat Hos my knowledge on busa and bking stuff equals zero and i usually rely on my on my own experience, rather into accumulating it than into being a true believer in anythin
i wish i could order an already prepared turbocharged busa motor from big cc or still better the whole bike but all i can barely afford is 2nd hand dark horse from flea bay mate
Wasnt trying to be a smart arse HOS.
If there are differences between Gen2's and B-Kings i'd like to know too
as I have plan's for mine. Guys who race in the US and guys in the trade
tell me there are not other than cosmetic finish on some exterior parts.
The site's I use list them as being the same.
Your Gen1 / Gen2 comparison is something I havent looked into
other than seeing folk swap the barrels between the two.
I know what you mean about part numbers. I've used Mini parts and
Landrover parts that were the same part with two different numbers and
two different prices! and other dealers listed them as the same.
Im a newbie only on my 3rd.... ;)
EDIT:
Yes, not the site I normaly use but it was very early this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by HOS
and I was off to work any minute. I normaly use the "Ronayers motorsport"
site to cross match parts (couldnt remember the name at 6am) but the
results were the same.
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID...oup/CRANKSHAFT
http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID...oup/CRANKSHAFT
Tony.
My mate Jase is one of only a handfull of guys I would let anywhere near any bike of mine.
So from what he has told me about the Gen 2 motor and based on my research of the Suzuki OEM parts site, it confirms the only part with the same number is the camchain.
But hey, you know what parts numbers are like? More so if you ever had a Kawasaki !
No pissing match from me, no worries.
Surt I know you will do the right thing which is find out for yourself and not trust other people. That is the ONLY way :D
Yeah I think we would all love to have the wonga to order one of Seans "built motors" ! Amazing kit ! :cool:
Having gone the boosted route myself and know how they are a money pit.
So what about a big bore kit ? Keep the cost down and get more reliability?
Trying to keep the budget down is bloody difficult !! There is a massive amount of stuff available for the Boosta.
Just considering: a multi stage billet lock up clutch, billet quick-release clutch casing, billet slave cyclinder support bracket, billet clutch basket, bullet clutch hub, new plates, new springs..... can easy total the cost of a complete 2nd hand bike.
No stress HOS.
I think we may have been talking about different things.
As I said, I was only compareing Gen2 Busa's and B-Kings,
NOT Gen1 to a Gen2 as you mentioned.
Your Mate with the Drag-Bandit,
Is that this one.....
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3118/drag12.jpg
Yeah, I took that photo on my camera ;) I have posted it online before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Nitrous
At The Pod :cool:
yup me saved the piccie from harry's bang abusa thread... stock frame custom bitubo braced swinga, n/a, how did he make her to cum just for 9s? ah i see the bottle under tail :happy laughter:
NB received the gixxers complete front end today, left leg is fucked up but seller refunded $200 for buying a replacement cheers Jose pics tomorrow
The first Streetbike to run in the 7's was Brocks Bandit.
No turbo, a well built motor and a big sniff of NOS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVFiikvDbc
Surt,
Busa engines are at a premium price everywhere because the car guys want them for race cars.
A few years ago you could pay upwards of £2500 just for a Busa engine. They are very popular for track day cars.
People were buying brand new Busa's, removing the engine and selling the brand new bike minus the engine on eblag for £1200.
Mind you that B12 engine is'nt to be sniffed at.
A mate of mine pulled his Bandit right over mono wheeling like he does all the time.
So when it was mended, he had Straightline Racing rebuild his motor and got him 165 bhp at the rear wheel.
Normally aspirated engine !
I like Suzuke's.
i guess ur right about busa engines Hos cos other motors r pretty cheap there say 06 gixxer liter's is $1000 coplete engine with tbs, wiring, etc
i dont mind bandits lump at all cept 1 thing id wish it has upper mounts to modify the frame gettin rid of front tubes would give me more room for turbo header and other stuff, also the frame design makes not very handy removing and installing the engine or even just headers
Today I piled of shitloads of mud and washed the frame in a satanic mixture of petrol, white spirit and acetone
http://i43.tinypic.com/24fxk5y.jpg
But yesterday like I said I received the complete front end from ’06 gixxer liter $1000 shipped
http://i41.tinypic.com/28by3us.jpg
Would be totally awesome if not
http://i42.tinypic.com/25iqfpz.jpg
Different angle
http://i39.tinypic.com/dbihib.jpg
But I opened the case and drew from the seller $200 partial refund which was spent on purchasing a replacement from another seller ($200.90 shipped lol)
The wheel is gorgeous though esp compared to bandits
http://i43.tinypic.com/skzx9x.jpg
:eek: Kin Ell !
Those forks are hardly "as new" ?
Glad you managed to extact some money back outta the seller.
Mark who did my blower installation had a few Busa engined race cars in his place from time to time.
I was pretty gobsmacked when one guy turned up in his new M5 SMG, got a new V8 Busa mill on a pallet
in the boot and he wants Mark to supercharge it. Turns out the guy has a £350k weekend race car.
A different world mate with those kind of people and big money. Not my style either.
I'd rather have fuck all and some good mates.
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by HOS
I had Busa numbers out of a B12 motor with Nitrous.
just the diaphram clutches a bit crap, heavy duty springs help.
I know its not comparing apples with apples, but the B12/GSXR11
lump itself has huge potential, just not to a turbo Busa comparison.
There would be something very satisfying about having a killer
oil-cooled Bandit like HOS's mate and being able to hunt down many
of the normaly aspirated Busa's.
not new but listed as ready to bolt on... i believe the best wat u can get for that kind of coin, really no sign of wear on the black tubes no leakin on the seals
didnt bite slingys fishing on a boat anchor either bahaha
maybe it can be hung up by the head's oil stop bolts, where folks usually bolt on sliders? how 'bout this zany idea?
ps happy ozday to all the dinkum ozzies and the land
Hey Surt,
well, if your keeping the bandit lump, then i have seen a bandit where they removed the stock down tubes and the lower frame tubes and replaced them with ones which came down around the outside of the headers with tubes going back over the engine cases, with a removable front cross member with the engine mounts on.
So rather like a spondon and it looked great. Like you say, no restrictions to header design then and engine can just drop out from under.
I'm pretty sure i,ve also seen a slingshot, think it was a water cooled frame with an oil cooled motor in it, again the front and lower frame rails removed and that had the engine hung from the head oil passage bolts but it did look a but ugly as it all ended up being quite wide at that point compared to everything else, but i suppose it depends largely how you design and engineer it.
I loved my '99 B12.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Nitrous
Its that Suzuke thing, they are rock solid bikes.
We watched a guy down the Pod a couple of years back with a stocker B12, just added NOS.
He was having a ball !! Low 9s every time. :cool:
As you know Tony, its not what you got, its how you use it.;)