Immigration

[gibbo]

The year is 1907
Sir Edmund Barton’s ideas on Immigrants and being an Australian in 1907.


'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an Australian and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an Australian, and nothing but an Australian... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an Australian, but something else also, isn't an Australian at all. We have room for but one flag, the Australian flag.... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the Australian people.'


Edmund Barton
1907
Not sure I agree with all of this, not even sure it is genuine, what do you reckon?

[grindella]

seems like part of a federation speach and the basis of the white australia policy

[Surt]

two hands up - meaning voting for 100%, not surrendering :D fark mosques, chunks, nigs - do u want 'nother south africa - hell, no! if u kunt sing waltzing matildah with the dinkum ocker's pronounce [:p] - u dont belong here! i mean there! u no wat i mean [:o)]

[DiscoDan]

I reckon, if it's genuine, that it's a hundred year old point of view and it shows. The world's moved on since then

[Jup]

Yes disco, but the question is: has it moved on for the better?

[BANDITROD]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^good point there jup

[336LJ]

I try to shorten my opinion on this - thusly..
I don't care if you can hardly speak english (some people struggle, and its pretty fuckin rude to demand someone fresh off the boat has to)
as long as you arent a cunt. welcome.

some of these immigrants come from places I'd never be able to live in, and not at fault of their own - if there was a 100% hit rate for filtering out ASSHOLES - nobody would have a problem.

"ohhwhwhw but the asians take our jobs" well - if u werent a fat lazy whinging prick and got off your ass to DO your job - nobody would take it!"

[el sammo]

hmm you guys have some good viewpoints here thats really cool, too many aussies are un informed idiots when it comes to topics like this

[Surt]

quote:Originally posted by 336LJ



"ohhwhwhw but the asians take our jobs" well - if u werent a fat lazy whinging prick and got off your ass to DO your job - nobody would take it!"





judging on wats happenin in moss cow (and the situation is similar up here!), thats nother myth: in fact an employer's refusing to deal with native population, preferring to enroll illegal immies from asia: they r obviously easier to be dealt with: lower wages, worse living standards etc
let me in and stop immigration!!! :D

[Jockney Rebel]

my two bob ,
it cost me roughly 3grand to get here and 6 months of interveiws etc
i was prepared to stsrt from the basement and work my up again [as no one knew me here id have to prove my worth]
in all honesty the wages here are on a par with the Uk when i left but
[the pluses]
..the standard of living is higher
the oppertunities for growth are there and im more than willing to exploit anyones laziness and nick there business :}
the fresh food is to die for
the weathers pukka deluxe
the space is immense
the petrols cheap
in general the people are straight forward
the beers good
[the negs]
too many city aussies wanna be bohemian euro clones [man stick to your own chilled out culture its what we euros envy ]
the cops think there extras in mad max
some of the roads look like theyve have been laid by blind pikeys
the national transport system is too fragmented
the minority of xenophobic australians i have encountered are verging on homicidal
this is my experience of becoming an Australian



:D:D:D

[Surt]

i b'live u of forgotten to mention the oz bureaucrats and anal restrictions [:0] Jockney Rebel, or perhaps its ok for a british immigrant, dunno, but for a russian its awful! the bloody officials are put on air to much in oz to my mind, from wat iv been reading on here as well ;)
there r many reasons for me to make it for oz, life standard, climate... yeaah, however i aint longing for fuckn california [}:)] never in my life... nor new zealand... for me, aussies themselves are the main reason: mateship, fair go r very russian terms though sound different in russian, i dont blive oz is heaven on earth and there r cunts in every nation, but the national spirit is very close to the russian one, yet more sound :) thats why im post whorring here, not on american or uk or even russian forums [:p]

[Gitzy]

Ahhh Surt, always a good read...

[Surt]

konnichiva Gitzy-san! [8D]

[Neo Dutch]

Regardless of the sentiment, the quote is a real, however the credit is wrong. It was Teddy Roosevelt, and the spam email is usually accompanied by a pic of TR that is wrongly claimed to be of Barton.

[Tony OW31]

quote:Originally posted by 336LJ


"ohhwhwhw but the asians take our jobs" well - if u werent a fat lazy whinging prick and got off your ass to DO your job - nobody would take it!"



You are wrong there, I have worked in one, and personally know of two other companies that hire Asian tradesmen who are willing to work as a tradesman, but only get paid the award for a labourer.
Mostly greedy bosses, not fat lazy whinging pricks.

[Weaselman]

Hey Surt!

No matter how bad our burocrats are here it aint nearly half as bad as England. Just ask any streetfighter over there

[Surt]

quote:Originally posted by Tony OW31


quote:Originally posted by 336LJ


"ohhwhwhw but the asians take our jobs" well - if u werent a fat lazy whinging prick and got off your ass to DO your job - nobody would take it!"



You are wrong there, I have worked in one, and personally know of two other companies that hire Asian tradesmen who are willing to work as a tradesman, but only get paid the award for a labourer.
Mostly greedy bosses, not fat lazy whinging pricks.




[^] thats wat i said mate! [8D]

[Surt]

quote:Originally posted by Neo Dutch

Regardless of the sentiment, the quote is a real, however the credit is wrong. It was Teddy Roosevelt, and the spam email is usually accompanied by a pic of TR that is wrongly claimed to be of Barton.


i thought teddy was a seppos pres, why would he of been talkin'bout australians? [:0]

[Gitzy]

quote:Originally posted by Surt
i thought teddy was a seppos pres, why would he of been talkin'bout australians? [:0]


Thats what i was thinking..

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by Neo Dutch

Regardless of the sentiment, the quote is a real, however the credit is wrong. It was Teddy Roosevelt, and the spam email is usually accompanied by a pic of TR that is wrongly claimed to be of Barton.


What he ^ said.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/edmund-barton-immigration-quote.shtml

[Surt]

quote:Originally posted by Weaselman

Hey Surt!

No matter how bad our burocrats are here it aint nearly half as bad as England. Just ask any streetfighter over there


im sure they r :) Weaselman! at least they r not corrupt tho i dont think their wages high... i kunt remember any corruption scandals in oz since bjelke peterson i b'live, while they r popping up all the time in the usa and other third worlds cunt'ries [}:)]

[Cruisecontrol]

It is the bloody local councillors that are corrupt.
We would have to be the most over-governed country on the planet. Local, state and federal governments all get their slice of the pie and although the pay levels increase it seems that the maggotry is at its peak at the local level...

[Surt]

well no matter if hoax or not, the idea was clear. as for jolly good fellas coming from asia, the middle east and eastern europe, ask yerselves how many can you afford to teach ingriss and to accomodate, and which percentage of immies in ur neighbourhood is tolerable for u ? 5%? 50? 95? before they'll call u a white cunt and offer u to fuck off the country, will u turn xenophobic?! :D

[Surt]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

It is the bloody local councillors that are corrupt.
We would have to be the most over-governed country on the planet. Local, state and federal governments all get their slice of the pie and although the pay levels increase it seems that the maggotry is at its peak at the local level...



over-regulated, maybe Cruisecontrol? i think many countries may compete u on the officials' number on an ordinary citizen ;) im not an expert in the matter, just tell me, can u buy rego or pay a fine on spot into a copper's pocket?

[Cruisecontrol]

The coppers don't get a look in but rego is a cash payment to your friendly mechanic and a building permit/planning permission is only a donation away...

[stu]

Got this thought provoking e-mail the other day. Don't know who wrote it or where it started. Anyone else see it?


"FROM SOMEONE WHO MIGRATED TO AUSTRALIA"

I emigrated to Australia just over 40 years ago - On the
ship there were Poms, Italians, Yugoslavs and Greeks,
(Note - All European people!!) all looking forward to
starting a new life in Australia. I arrived with $42 in
my pocket and that's all I had to my name. Did I put my
hand out?? Of course not - I got a job and paid my way
just like everyone else who came to this country back
then.

Now, it's my taxes that subsidize these people who think
they have Gods given right (read Allah) to come here and
criticise those of us who have worked for the country
we now call home.

If I didn't like what I saw when I got here I would have
gone home - they have the same option. If they don't
want to become an Australian, they can......GO BACK TO
WHERE THEY CAME FROM - WE DON'T NEED THEM HERE!!!


Our Australia

When will this stop,
They want 2 of Their own public holidays,
because Christians have Christmas, Easter
& good Friday,

They force our children to eat Halal Meat
Pies and Sausage Rolls from the school
canteens, so the Muslim kids can feel more
Aussie, we were not consulted about this
change, they went ahead and just did it.
Our foods are slowly all becoming Halal
foods, our cheeses, chocolates even good
old sanitarium foods

Our Government is ALLOWING this to happen,
it has to stop now, while we still have
some power to be able to stop it.


Regarding Our National Anthem

I am sorry, but after hearing they want
to sing the National Anthem in Arabic -
enough is enough. No where or at no other
time in our nation's history, did they
sing it in Italian, Japanese, Polish,
Irish (Celtic), German, Portuguese,
Greek, or any other language because of
immigration. It was written in English,
and should be sung word for word the way
it was written.

The news broadcasts even gave the
translation -- not even close.

I am not sorry if this offends anyone,
this is MY COUNTRY - IF IT IS YOUR
COUNTRY SPEAK UP ---- please pass this
along

I am not against immigration -- just come
through like everyone else. Get a
sponsor; have a place to lay your head;
have a job; pay your taxes, live by the
rules AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE as all other
immigrants have in the past -- and LONG
LIVE Australia!

PART OF THE PROBLEM. Think about this: If
you don't want to forward this for fear
of offending someone-----YOU'RE PART OF
THE PROBLEM !!!!

Will we still be the Country of Choice
and still be Australia if we continue to
make the changes forced on us by the
people from other countries who have come
to live in Australia because it is the
Country of Choice??

Think about it!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.

It is Time for Australia to Speak up.

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by Surt


quote:Originally posted by 336LJ



"ohhwhwhw but the asians take our jobs" well - if u werent a fat lazy whinging prick and got off your ass to DO your job - nobody would take it!"





judging on wats happenin in moss cow (and the situation is similar up here!), thats nother myth: in fact an employer's refusing to deal with native population, preferring to enroll illegal immies from asia: they r obviously easier to be dealt with: lower wages, worse living standards etc
let me in and stop immigration!!! :D



quote:Originally posted by Tony OW31


quote:Originally posted by 336LJ


"ohhwhwhw but the asians take our jobs" well - if u werent a fat lazy whinging prick and got off your ass to DO your job - nobody would take it!"



You are wrong there, I have worked in one, and personally know of two other companies that hire Asian tradesmen who are willing to work as a tradesman, but only get paid the award for a labourer.
Mostly greedy bosses, not fat lazy whinging pricks.



I probably generalised what I said a bit. definately agree its usually to save the company cash.
Just most the whining I have heard is from the fuckers who havn't had a job in 10 years and use it as an excuse to bitch about not bothering to work anyway.
I'd fuckin spew if anyone I knew, or even myself, was put out of a job cause of that kinda cheapskate move.



quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

It is the bloody local councillors that are corrupt.
We would have to be the most over-governed country on the planet. Local, state and federal governments all get their slice of the pie and although the pay levels increase it seems that the maggotry is at its peak at the local level...


of course they are corrupt - From what I have gathered, Local and state councils/gov etc - tried to pass legislation/law through referendum in 1988 to have the ability to make their own rules and it was rejected 66% by "the people" - so they waited a bit, and in 1989 just started going about it anyway but nobody was any wiser, I guess assuming oh well thats what we voted for.

[Surt]

i admit that i generalized as well [B)] there always r lazy hands with their own principles and reasons [}:)]

[OZ750L]

For a minority (Islamic immigrants), these pricks seem to have a majority voice.

If it was so bad where they came from, why do they keep trying to recreate it here.

And it's not just the Islamics.... it's all the immigrants come to this country, run it down while milking our social security system dry, encourage the rellies to come over, (by boat or plane), gravitate to a suburb and force out the people who have lived there for years and create their own mini country. Assimilation??? I think not.

If we went to the country they came from, would it be tolerated if we tried to impose our values and beliefs on them. Can you google Christian Crusades????

The Dutch have copped this for quite a while and this is what came from it.

Denmark , a must read!
This article could be seen as racist by some but on the otherhand it could
also be seen as a reflection of our own reality that somehow our politicians
refuse to see. The interpretation is up to the reader, however it is food
for thought....


SALUTE to Denmark .. This could very well happen here on our Continent....



Susan MacAllen is a contributing editor for (FamilySecurityMatters.org)
Salute the Danish Flag - it's a symbol of Western Freedom By Susan
MacAllen

In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark . But in 1978 - even in
Copenhagen, one didn't see Muslim immigrants.

The Danish population embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out
of its way to protect each of its citizens. It was proud of its new brand
of socialist liberalism one in development since the conservatives had lost
power in 1929 - a system where no worker had to struggle to survive, where
one ultimately could count upon the state as in, perhaps, no other western
nation at the time.

The rest of Europe saw the Scandinavians as free-thinking, progressive
and infinitely generous in their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime
rates, devotion to the environment, a superior educational system and a
history of humanitarianism.

Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered the
best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments from
first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and
education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness and
multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a
series of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would
leave dozens dead in the streets -all because its commitment to
multiculturalism would come back to bite?

By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its
unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious.

Years of immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the
Muslim leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence
of Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to
feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with their
long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in
equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep pride
in Danish heritage and history.

An article by Daniel Pipes and Lars Hedegaard, in which they forecasted,
accurately, that the growing immigrant problem in Denmark would explode. In
the article they reported:

'Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume
upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.'

'Muslims are only 4 percent of Denmark's 5..4 million people but make up a
majority of the country's convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue
given that practically all the female victims are
non-Muslim. Similar, if lesser, disproportions are found in other crimes.'

'Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to mix
with the indigenous population.

A recent survey finds that only 5 percent of young Muslim immigrants would
readily marry a Dane.'

'Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male
cousin in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on
pain of death - are one problem'

'Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law once
Denmark's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote
prospect.. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every third
inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim.'

It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that
Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws.

An example is the phenomenon common to other European countries and
Canada: some Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have
been murdered in the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their
lives. Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in
Denmark, a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out
nearly all of their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could
invade. I think of my Danish friend Elsa - who. as a teenager. had dreaded
crossing the street to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying
Nazi soldiers - and I wonder what she would say today.

In 2001, Denmark elected the most conservative government in some 70
years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal
unfettered immigration. Today Denmark has the strictest immigration
policies in Europe . ( Its effort to protect itself has been met with
accusations of 'racism' by liberal media across Europe - even as other
governments struggle to right the social problems wrought by years of
too-lax immigration.)

If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language
classes. You must pass a test on Denmark 's history, culture, and a Danish
language test .

You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for citizenship.

You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job waiting.

If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark , you must both be over 24
years of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends
and family to Denmark with you.

You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen .

Although your children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language
schools in Denmark , they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to
Danish society in ways that past immigrants weren't.

In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen, spoke
publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare system,
and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had calculated
that if immigration from Third World countries were blocked, 75 percent of
the cuts needed to sustain the huge welfare system in coming decades would
be unnecessary. In other words, the welfare system, as it existed, was being
exploited by immigrants to the point of eventually bankrupting the
government. 'We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration'.

'The calculations of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how
unsuccessful the integration of immigrants has been up to now,' he said.

A large thorn in the side of Denmark 's imams is the Minister of
Immigration and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj.. She makes no bones about the
new policy toward immigration, 'The number of foreigners coming to the
country makes a difference,' Hvilshoj says, 'There is an inverse correlation
between how many come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that
come.' And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to
blend in, 'In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for
different cultures and religions. Some values, however, are more important
than others. We refuse to question democracy, equal rights, < I>and freedom
of speech.'

Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone.. Perhaps to test her
resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark, Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu Laban,
demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a Muslim who
was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen, stating that the family's thirst
for revenge could be thwarted for money.. When Hvilshoj dismissed his
demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the payment of retribution money
was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that what is done in a Muslim country
is not necessarily what is done in Denmark.

The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her
husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and her
family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers were
assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such murderous
violence was once so scarce..

Her government has slid to the right, and her borders have tightened.

Many believe that what happens in the next decade will determine
whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking and
social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war with
supporters of Sharia law.

And meanwhile, Canadians clamor for stricter immigration policies, and
demand an end to state welfare programs that allow many immigrants to live
on the public dole. As we in Canada look at the enclaves of Muslims amongst
us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on our taxes,
yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions, participate in
our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language, appreciate our history
.. we would do well to look to Denmark , and say a prayer for her future
and
for our own..

If you agree with this article, then please pass it on..
If you don't, then too bad. I choose to exercise my right to an opinion as can you.


Islam is no different to CANCER, they are working their way
into every culture like a disease & if we don't do something NOW (as
described above) then all other cultures will be in serious trouble.
WW3 will be islam against the rest of the world.

[Surt]

i heard wwiii will be between Oz and usa [:0] oops cant help myself not to be a smart arse sorry![V]

imho everythings correct cept one thing: "they wish less to mix
with the indigenous population", thats for better, i would wish to "mix" with them moslems even lesser [:o)] does it sound racist? [:I]

[336LJ]

I think if you could some how delete stupid people - assholes, and religious extremists - there would be no problems - ever!

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by Jockney Rebel

the cops think there extras in mad max



I fucking LOL'd so much. cause its true!

[rod185651]

quote:Originally posted by 336LJ

I think if you could some how delete stupid people - assholes, and religious extremists - there would be no problems - ever!


I hope not Luke, I'm sure I've been thought of as a stupid person and an arsehole by heaps of people in the past. I reckon I would of been deleted years ago if your wish was a reality.

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by rod185651


quote:Originally posted by 336LJ

I think if you could some how delete stupid people - assholes, and religious extremists - there would be no problems - ever!


I hope not Luke, I'm sure I've been thought of as a stupid person and an arsehole by heaps of people in the past. I reckon I would of been deleted years ago if your wish was a reality.


Damn ur right.. I'd also cease to exist.. based on being an asshole and a dumbass.

Well I like the idea one comedian had (forget his name) take warning labels of everything and let stupidity sort itself out.
Assholes. well we can just lower the criteria for police recruitment (even lower) and give them a uniform, gun and badge to hide behind. assholes wont really exist, we can just write it off to "those bastard cops"
And religious extremists, well they kinda tend to turn into suicide bombers so thats a no brainer! [:p]