XJR1300 Project ....part 2 Updated 7th Nov

[sharky]

Look what Santa brought me...
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First job is swingarm spacers to align the rear wheel....

[kev@vcm]

that is going to look very cool , i will be looking foward to seeing the end result

[ozzy1100]

mmmnnnn nice
those shocks look even better on russ

[rock hard]

Thats starting to look tough as fuck.i realy like that diagonal frame tube that lines up with the sub frame

[Fight_fan]

Lookin sik Russ! Keep it up man!

[Gix11]

He's a clever fucker that Shaun geezer ain't he?

Paint or polish mate? Actually, knowing you, that's a really stupid question........

[sharky]

p.p.p.p.p.p.po...po....Nah can't even say it...
Powder coat mate...:D

[papa smurf]

That looks great Russ.
BUT......
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How's Sarah's bike coming along?:D

[fimpBIKES]

REALLY looking forward to where you take this to mate!

[BANDITROD]

looking good russ how do you go with rego and all that shit mate or is it simply a change id plate and some stamping of some numbers ;)

[sharky]

quote:how do you go with rego and all that shit
As I already own an XJR that has been rego'd for the last few years I am technically just doing a frame swap....The frame has to pass an engineers report to prove it is a safe replacement but that is it...roadworthy and go.
Different story if I didn't already own the bike though...then it would be a whole new can of worms...

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by sharky


quote:how do you go with rego and all that shit
As I already own an XJR that has been rego'd for the last few years I am technically just doing a frame swap....The frame has to pass an engineers report to prove it is a safe replacement but that is it...roadworthy and go.
Different story if I didn't already own the bike though...then it would be a whole new can of worms...


I need to know more about this loophole Russ[8D]

[sharky]

Speak to PommyChopper mate....He knows all the tricks...

[geesexar]

lookin sweet sharky

[Jay_G]

looks good, what bars are you going to be using?? i think a set of drag bars would look good over those strange chrome jobbies.

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by Jay_G

"those strange chrome jobbies"


I had a set of those, but mine were the other way up on an LC...;)

[Tony Nitrous]

Russ, dont know if this is of any interest,
just spotted it on a local forum....

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CLEARANCE ITEMS MUST SELL

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YAHAMA YZ125 1995 ONWARDS WITH FILLER NECK (455-1240A-10)
SUZUKI TLS WITH FILLER NECK ( 17710-02F10)
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[sharky]

Cheers Tony, I will email him.

[sharky]

quote:looks good, what bars are you going to be using?? i think a set of drag bars would look good over those strange chrome jobbies.
One of pair of fat drag bars by local engineering shop.
Once they are powder coated they will be exactly right for the new fat risers and 22mm at the ends for stock levers etc.
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1262954812.jpg

[80s freak]

Lookin' sweet!

[ozzy1100]

u have to much time on yr hands russ lol
fancy brecky's while the rest of us at work then home 2 work on bike doh

[sharky]

One small change...lower risers..much better.
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1263093352.jpg

[Ansen]

lookin good

[sharky]

More playing around...
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I wanted to get the seat much lower...so now I have 2 choices.
Replace/shorten the shocks to 300mm (currently 335) or move the mounts on the arm.
I've measured the geometry & wheelbase and it is very close to GSX1100/GSX1400 so it won't handle like an R1, but then it won't be a hippo either.
XJR1300 25' Rake 1500mm Wheelbase
GSX1400 26' Rake 1480mm Wheelbase
GSX1100 28' Rake 1549mm Wheelbase

XJR PROJECT 27' Rake 1540mm Wheelbase

[Tony Nitrous]

Really depends on how your going to use it / ride it.

B-King is 60" 1525mm wheelbase and about 25-degree's but you wouldn't know it,
to me it feels more nimble and sporty than the 3 you've listed.
The BK should FEEL longer than a 14, but ride them back to back and its the opposite.
If I ever had a JMC arm or similar i'd go -1 to +4 as i'd like to try shorter.

Its good to know the numbers but in my mind the riders position makes just as
much input. Sitting low and back or sitting high and forward makes a HUGE difference.

[sharky]

I'm tempted to redo the mounts on the s/arm and have them 2 position (like the Honda X4 a while back).

[Tony Nitrous]

Im sure I dont need to tell you, but.....;)

Adjusting the angle of the shock's is going to change the ratio
its under, laying it down more will make it softer.
..and how are you off for ground clearance ?

[sharky]

Sorted
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1263874884.jpg

Having worked out a simple solution (and checked it was viable with PommyChopper) I can now keep my new shocks.:D

[crazymofo]

just a question, is the swingarm pivot point as far forward as it could be? it looks a little low and far back, and the swingarm angle seems far from ideal,

just would have thought the current position would promote wheel standing and vauge front end feeling under power.

its not a flame, im sure pommy chopper knows what he's doing, im just enquiring.

cheers.joe.

[sharky]

Just been down to check...The s/arm pivot needs to come up by 25mm....easy job...that should give the arm a bit of downwards angle as per stock.

[Weaselman]

Was about to ask. Would it hit the rear fender under compression unless you wound the preload way up?

[sharky]

Bearing in mind the stock shot is on the side stand..
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Swingarm pivot now in line with centre of drive sprocket.

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I have a piece of ali that is drilled at full shock length and min length -10mm to set up the rear fender.

[Azrael]

Thats lookin mint mate, hows the ground clearance? looks a bit lower than norm or is it just the headers hanging down unsupported?

[sharky]

Clearance is at the legal min 100mm. I can extend the shocks by 10mm too if needs be.
The headers are bolted up but the 4-2 I have for it is neater fit than the stock pipes on it at the moment.

[Azrael]

Cool, its gonna look awesome!

[sharky]

At the moment its the bars and the arse end that are giving me a headache.....

[crazymofo]

FWIW what seems to be the go these days is the swingarm pivot as close to the sprocket as posible, slightly above the sprocket center line to reduce squat but pull the rear tyre into the ground under power and around a 14-16* swingarm angle.

cheers.joe.

[suxukifreak]

quote:Originally posted by sharky

At the moment its the bars and the arse end that are giving me a headache.....


Your hanging around the wrong bars if your arse end is giving you a headache!! ;)

[sharky]

quote:Your hanging around the wrong bars if your arse end is giving you a headache!!
That's strange Des....they were all on your facebook page ?

I hear what you're saying Jo...but realistically this beasty ain't ever gonna corner like an R1. I'm trying to keep the geometry as near to a stock XJR where possible.
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Got the bars sussed..1" Hiddly diddly bars...going to sleeve them down for standard levers.
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And working on the rear end...
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[Tony OW31]

I think you may have a bit of a clearance issue with the battery there:)

[sharky]

Hadn't actually realised how low this thing is until I took it off the bench and sat on it properley....
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The ZX9 behind it dwarfs it...the flat piece of steel between the rails is 680mm high...

[Weaselman]

christ... will it bottom out?

[sharky]

Nope, It's 100mm under the exhausts which is the legal min.

[Weaselman]

unless your a solid cunt like me

[boris]

quote:Originally posted by Tony OW31

I think you may have a bit of a clearance issue with the battery there:)

I reckon, see the big stripe it's left on the tyre obviously that is from the battery rubbing:D

[NakedTurboBusa]

Haven't seen it before............ fuck, very original, very cool!!!! love the the style of frame..

Cheers

Pete

[Surt]

me to [:0] in the wrong section? nice frame (though perhaps you'll have to make arse end harder sharky), luv it so low and mean, drag bike look! 1300cc C[8D][8D]L!! turbo it mate! :)

ps yaHama! brilliant! :)

[sharky]

Spot the battery...[}:)]

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[oldskool]

lay it on its back under the seat & tale?

[sharky]

Its already in the pic....hence 'spot the battery' ;)

[oldskool]

oh I could see it under the tank / seat better not to be seen yes?

[Tony Nitrous]

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/7250/russ.jpg

[jakam04]

Kinda like where I had the battery for Mongrel. I attached the battery tray between the mainframe where the airbox once was... Mind you, the heat coming through there from the engine wasnt really a good thing... maybe if I had insulated it better lol..

[sharky]

You got it Tony...the lower option...
Its a super tuff Odessey battery...and thus its a bit heavier....
I was going with the 'mass centralisation' concept... [^]
It should get good airflow where it is.

[sharky]

Yeah I know what ya saying Dylan but I wanted to keep the under seat clear if poss. I reckon time its flat black it will dissapear down behind the motor. It is extreme temperature tolerant from -40°C
(-40°F) to 80°C (176ºF) so it should be ok where its going.
I'm beginning to like the green option....
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[Tony Nitrous]

Green if it was BRIGHT green....[8D]

[sharky]

Yeah...the orange is a bit KTM, the red might be prone to sun fade.

[Tony Nitrous]

What's the rest going to be ?

Matt ? Gloss ? Satin ?

[sharky]

Not sure...might mix satin and gloss black on the tank...I have a pair of cf mufflers so I am thinkin cf front 'guard and cf covered fibreglass tail unit.
Maybe a bit of the green somewhere too to break up the black...

[Tony Nitrous]

One for you Russ.....

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2923/russfj.jpg

[zx12argh]

Nice work Rus, I should drop round some time and see how this is all looking mate.
That yamahaha looks the goods tone.

[Fight_fan]

Pete! Long time no see mate... Thought u were dead!

[BANDITROD]

sweet jesus mate long time no post glad to see you back mate

[sharky]

3 days of head scratching....where to mount the sidestand when you have no frame rail ?
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Time the bracket is cleaned up and powder coated black it should disappear.

[Slain]

coming along very nicely.
stand idea is tops

[sharky]

Cheers mate...It was my idea with input from PommyChopper.
The main weight should be taken by the 8mm plate to the engine mount. The bolt to the engine is just to stop it moving. I wanted to keep it as unobtrusive as poss.

[sharky]

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1277977398.jpg

Due to 'circumstances' not much has happened for a while...
Also I have submitted the application form for the approval so until that is back I don't want to do too much in case I have to make changes..
It has to be built 100% legal for inspection hence the number plate mount from an R1 ($0.99 of ebay)...but it doesn't look too bad so it may well stay..
The stock pillion mounts came back in the post (they had gone missing) so after trying several tubing ideas I settled on using them...I can then dump them if I want to make it solo...
The tank has been moved forwards too...closing the gap at the front.
There weren't too many options for the mufflers...any higher and the back end is waay too wide..and they need to follow the frame line.

[Elapid]

Looking good Russ.

The pipe looks fine where it is.

Kris.

[ozzy1100]

your tarp looks great rus oh and the bike is all right i quess
dont worry ill be round 2 tell u there is some thing 2 move just 2 give u more work lol

[RevHead]

i think you need taller rear shocks,just looks down in the bum//like if you hit a bump the rear wheel will burn the middle outa your seat,yeah by measuring the shock travel to you under tray,your gunna have smoke,

[sharky]

'fraid ya wrong pete.
I made up steel bars that were 12mm shorter than the minimum length of the shocks when fully compressed and set it up from there.

[sharky]

Finally been granted the initial approval for the build...so now its all systems go....
A bit of mdf engineering....the stock cover looked crap...not finished yet.....
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1280398078.jpg


Got a result at the Story Bridge show...The 2007 Moto Guzzi Belagio has 1 1/4" bars with 22mm ends..and its ADR approved...so a set of HD bars, sleeved,welded and powdercoated and bingo 'guzzi bars'..mr inspector bloke ;)
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Also, as I am using the stock airbox I got playful with carbon fibre...2nd attempt it worked..It's wrapped right around so even if it does start to break away from the plastic it can't go anywhere...
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1280382561.jpg

[ozzy1100]

that air box looks shit loads better than yr 1st try russ

[sharky]

It does indeed mate..hats off to those that work with this shit....
Hope you got the lathe up and running...gonna need a new clutch pushrod ;)

[timbo]

Looking good Russ :D

[RUSS M8]

That looks well cool! And I reckon it's just way cool if you can get the thing rego'd, and ride your own bike. Especially in this day and age, in this nanny state of ours! :)

[ozzy1100]

quote:Originally posted by sharky

It does indeed mate..hats off to those that work with this shit....
Hope you got the lathe up and running...gonna need a new clutch pushrod ;)

no but its still at home even if its on the traier still hopefull dad be round in
afvo 2 help me get it off......

[sharky]

Thanks to Ozzy1100 I now have the required 100mm clearance under the exhausts...(legal minimum for ADR's)
Also fitted up the headlight..going to make a close fitting bracket that goes around the back of the unit and mounts to 2 p-clamps off the forks.
This way most of the mount will be hidden.
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[Gitzy]

Heeeyyy Beeemer Headlight... I like that..

[sharky]

Yeah...fukin expensive beemer headlight !!!

Wanted the mix of classic 'fighter twin lights with a modern twist...

[Gitzy]

Mission Accomplished Russ.. looks awesome.

[ozzy1100]

ill be round to drink yr beer and have you move it like the tank russ....

[Fight_fan]

Yeh that light suits well! Awesome stuff!

[Jockney Rebel]

nice one mate it suits yer twisted personality we ll have to hook up next time im up your way in afew weeks

[papa smurf]

Lookin good Russ.
Let me know when ya comin up too Jim & i'll try & gate crash ya drinkies.;)

[sharky]

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[zx12argh]

Looking good rus - you can't be that far off the road?
Gotta say for my 2c your rear guard doesn't really match the rest of the bike tho. I'd be tempted to ditch the indicator pod and stick with something as minimal as possible, otherwise looks sweet.

[sharky]

I'll be looking at that once its passed engineering etc.
It has to be 100% legal to pass...and the R1/6 unit cost me 99c plus postage...

[Gix11]

That centre frame rail, back wheel and tail unit looking great together mate. What kind of seat is going to keep it working good?

[sharky]

The idea is the pillion part looks like a continuation of the tail unit and drops down for the rider seat so it almost looks solo.
It will be single seat complianced for dirt cheap rego.
The rules say 500mm max length for single comp so it will be about 480mm which leaves room for tent etc...

[ozzy1100]

stop thinking bikes and finish my fucking kicten you bicth
btw that ally plate looks better than the other ideas i think it should look good

[steve08]

quote:Originally posted by Tony Nitrous

One for you Russ.....

http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/2923/russfj.jpg


Tony, I really love this bike:D. Can you provide me with some more infos about it? (Sorry for beeing a bit off-topic[:I] )

Greetings from Germany.
Cheers
Stefan

[Jinx]

Heres a bit more info on the FJ.
http://www.motorbeursutrecht.nl/nl-nl/Bezoeker/Activiteiten/Custom%20Bike%20Contest/Rob%20Heitkamp.aspx

[steve08]

quote:Originally posted by Jinx

Heres a bit more info on the FJ.
http://www.motorbeursutrecht.nl/nl-nl/Bezoeker/Activiteiten/Custom%20Bike%20Contest/Rob%20Heitkamp.aspx


Thanx!!! Perfect. The bike is even nearer as expected ....
Cheers
Stefan

[sharky]

Ok....been while what with moving house again...but hey ho all sorted now...
Got a new pair of mufflers..gonna get them HPC coated black...they slim down the arse end a lot...
And the carbon fibre Z650 tail....well...carbon covered...
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[Gitzy]

Man I can't wait till this thing is powdered and painted.. Love it..

[ozzy1100]

lol russ you just have a thing against fat arse's

[sharky]

Black painted the mufflers to get an idea ....
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1289163083.jpg

And big thanks to Ozzy1100 for the undertray construction idea...
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1289136778.jpg

Used the LED light I had...wasn't a long enough flat area for the strip type ones..
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1289124712.jpg

Oh, and before any says...Yes, the rear bracket is twisted hence the number plate unit looks off center...I have another straight one to fit.

[RevHead]

love this build ,its all class

[BANDITROD]

well thank fuck you cleared that up i didnt want to be the bringer of bad news russ