XJR1300 Project....Frame pics 25/11/09

[sharky]

Mmmmm...starting a project from scratch...sounds like fun [}:)].
It will be be XJR1300 powered,in a custom frame from Shaun @ PommyChoppers. Something with 'spondon style' tubes around the motor as opposed to a full cradle type.
I will be using the R1 front end from my current bike (using old cbr400 forks and fj yokes for the frame build.) I have a complete empty engine that will be used...
Tip: Always keep your frame builder happy...light and clean engine. :D
I may use the R1 swingarm thats coming with the motor..problem is its 50-60mm longer than the stock arm....maybe see if it can be shortened.
It makes sense to use it as I have the wheel,disc etc to fit.
I also have a Zrx1200 tank coming..nice and clean inside. I looked into a few others but all the styles I liked were old and thus the tanks, whilst undented, were rusting away inside (yes I know, Tank sealers etc but this is a new bike so to speak)
Playing with photoshop I came up with this basic look....

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1245929422.jpg


Still using the top yoke from Ben @ Extreme Creations (and there will be a lower made to match it), but this time dropping the forks the full length through thus lowering the front by 50mm ish.

The idea is flat drag bars on low risers with a seat position that puts my arms straight out in front.....low ass seat
[8D]

Looking through the pile of back issues last night I found this from way back (Issue 115)
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1245985822.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1246000859.jpg


Couldn't believe it but what can I say....great minds think alike (well, he is riding a Yamaha)
So picture that with the Zrx tank, twin shocks, Gpz style headlight and an Oldskool type rear end. May even go with clip-ons if they are comfy and they fit.

This is still going to be a budget build...the Workcover payout wasn't that big....hence using some parts from my existing bike but it will be something special and unique......Just like me ;)

[scotty]

nice one sharky, cut sic mate, blow the buget
(that's what there ment for aint it)big bore turbo..

[papa smurf]

Nice thinking Russ, it should come up a treat.
You've got my number if ya need a hand with anything.;)

[rock hard]

looks good so far,wont the long swingarm put more weight on the front wheel and aid handling ?

[fimpBIKES]

go for it sharky

rockhard, if you go to long you will transfer too much weight forwards and find the back end getting light all the time
have that trouble on the TLR, want a cool extended arm but would make it crappy

then again, i wouldnt bother deliberately shortening the arm
sounds like to much work for bugger-all gain

[Gix11]

This is going to be great mate. Really looking forward to seeing a "Pommy Choppers" frame on here as well. Good stuff mate.

[sharky]

Why is it my bikes always arrive on pallets ???
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1246030450.jpg

And why do wreckers always try to stitch you up ? :(
The tank had 'a small dent from the h/bars..no crease in the metal'...Bollocks it was.
And they charged me $200 for the arm that was meant to be free 'cos of the different motor....
AND they forgot the switchgear that was included in the deal....
Anyway, one irrate phone call later and they are crediting $250 back to my credit card and sending up the switchgear.
So next thing is to hook up the motor to get it running...need to do some checking first...they have sent me 2 looms...and they are from different years 'cos the cdi's are different. Oh well...I'll have a spare loom for evil bay...(gotta make some cash somehow on the deal ay Pete ;)

quote:go for it sharky
rockhard, if you go to long you will transfer too much weight forwards and find the back end getting light all the time
have that trouble on the TLR, want a cool extended arm but would make it crappy
then again, i wouldnt bother deliberately shortening the arm
sounds like to much work for bugger-all gain

Trouble is Fimp its 50-60mm longer than stock...might stuff up the handling....I'm tempted to sell it and use the stock arm...its tough and chunky.(and already has twin shock mounts on it so no expense needed)
I might be up at Hamilton Island for a 2 week stint for work so that would be the ideal time to get the arm out and off to Pommy.

[Tony Nitrous]

Just had a look for a rim Russ, Sorry everything but.
Dont think 19" rim and 17" tyres will help.

I know what you mean about Breakers.
I now try and stay away from anything I can't see, check,
pay cash and take home. Breakers, Ebay etc.
(unless its someone I have faith in off here)
I miss out on a lot of stuff but get less stressed.

Im starting to collect a few parts and tool's together.
Anything I can help with just shout out.

Look forward to seeing this progress.

Tony.J.

[sharky]

<s>Trouble is Fimp its 50-60mm longer than stock...might stuff up the handling...</s>
Must have had brain fade....
On the maximum adjustment the xjr is 570mm centre to centre.
R1 is 580mm mid point on adjuster, centre to centre so hardly much in it.
Just need to get the grinder out now and chop off the brace...its going to be welded on underneath. Did a 'prototype' with the arm Jacktar gave me....wrecked it in the process but learnt where to cut [:I]

[sharky]

Boss was out all day.[}:)]..and we have a nice new aluminium blade for the saw...so out came the mdf templates and jigs....
and 'Voila' new engine mounting plates

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1246481358.jpg


Also scored these of evilbay for a nice price....(hence needing gsxr yoke and stem in other thread)
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1246487669.jpg





:D

[miniman1]

Mate, those triples are damn sexy!! Bikes gona look great! When will work start on the new frame??? And where is Pommy Choppers???

[sharky]

Taking the engine etc up on friday this week...He's up in Caboolture.

[Pommy Chopper]

Yes a pile of bits were abandoned in me shed today by the Sharkster.
Got a Trumpy 955 chop to finish first then i'm on with his!!

Gonna be a beaut!

Cheers all.

[sharky]

Inspiration [}:)][}:)]:D

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1246889496.jpg

[sharky]

Taken the plunge and ordered my new headlight...direct from the uk as the bike it comes from isn't even in this country yet [:0]

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1247835353.jpg

[fimpBIKES]

whats that off then mate, looks tough!

[sharky]

Its the 2009 BMW F800R.

[sharky]

Latest bits from Iceman's Billet Parts Emporium.....
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1247882998.jpg

End caps for the mufflers that Karitsu is making for me...gonna have an old english 'reverse cone/supertrapp' look to 'em :D
Gave one a quick polish...machine marks went very quickly...shows the quality of the work.
And No, I'm not going Bling....there gonna be anodised.
Many thanks mate.;)

[sharky]

Got the new headlight yesterday...
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1249118120.jpg

Now all I need are some wicked mounting brackets....
I will be keeping the front end really clean, mounting the acewell dash unit in a tank pod along the lines of the Gpz11's

[rock hard]

that looks fuckin mean Sharky

[Jockney Rebel]

ypu ve been a busy boy aint ya ...got a bloke down here makin me some headlamp brackets and the pug front is going on a diet..that bike of yours is gonna look the bollox mate seeya in Vic later on in the month

[stu]

Nice, looks very neat, and TOUGH!!![^]

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by sharky
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1249118120.jpg



Im trying very hard not to post Sir Patrick Moore pictures...;)

[sen]

What's the headlight off?

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by sen

What's the headlight off?


BMW

[gs500fighter]

looking good mate!

[sharky]

As I'm still waiting for the man to make a start on the frame (his sidekick was hospitalised with chest pains) I started on the tank.
Fisrt up was making it hinge up type...all modern like :D
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1251616472.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1251562776.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1251570167.jpg


Then the dash unit...Gpz 750 unit gutted,cut down by 1/2" in height and moulded to the tank. I'm going to take a mould and make it in fibreglass so its removable.
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1251603348.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1251575173.jpg

An Acewell or similar will be fitted into it with the wiring going through the tank.

I am ordering up from Custom Chrome a pair of weld in bungs and mini aircraft type filler caps
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1251557975.jpg

[Gix11]

Is the whole bike going to get this much detail mate? If so, this is going to be one hell of a bike.

[sharky]

Thats the plan mate...after this build (and Sarah's cbr) its gonna be all out on house reno's (and then selling and hopefully moving).
I figure this is the last time time I'll have a lump sum free to spend for quite a while...
Anyway...What you doin on a 'puter...its the w/end :(

[Jockney Rebel]

just had a look at this for the first time in awhile Russ youve been a busy boy mate great looking ill have to get my arse in gear and do some more mods to the trumpy [btw liked the open face lid look on the Vic pics lol]

[Gix11]

quote:Originally posted by sharky


Anyway...What you doin on a 'puter...its the w/end :(


Yea, I know. With the extra day off (Gold Coast show) and the fact there is no Gold Coast ike Week any more I have an extra day to play catch up with, so I thought fuck doing it tomorrow night I'll do it this morning while I have a few spare hours.

[sharky]

Not much happening...worked out a cool headlight system....
Headstock mounted but moves with the forks and made the f/glass tank pod.
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252121404.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252086197.jpg

[sharky]

Managed to find an acewll that fits the pod perfectly...
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254135050.jpg

My fuel caps turned up...........
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254084957.jpg

And I decided not to buy the R1 rearsets but make my own using the Xjr pegs etc...
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254101985.jpg

[Weaselman]

how much for a set bro

seriously

[serious groper]

Enjoying the update, keep it coming!

[sharky]

Bit of work with a 45' profile cutter in the router and then the polishing mop...
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254139226.jpg

They are over length at the moment...not cutting them down until I have a frame to sit on.
I will probably make the mounting brackets adjustable too...just to be sure.

[sharky]

Bit more work to the rearsets..
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1255394923.jpg

And a bit of photoshop work....I have found my rear end....
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1255370077.jpg

But it's not R1/6 [}:)]
In fact there's only one in this country right now...and its leaving this week.. [:p][:p]

[rock hard]

looks fantastic Sharky, my only suggestion is that now you have hinged the tank you might find it may crack if its got all but the smallest ammount of fuel in it when you hinge it up..all the best look forward to the finished product..morry

[sharky]

Where would you expect it to crack mate ?
I was assuming as I was using the standard mount it would be ok..
Only thing I can think is the where the mount meets the tank...Was that your thoughts too ?
Last thing I want is to bugger the tank..:(

[gs500fighter]

is that an RSV4 tail?? if so fuck yeah and good luck can't wait for the finished product!

[Iceman]

Look'n good Russ. Your router work is exceptional

[sharky]

quote:is that an RSV4 tail??
Nope. [^]
Cheers Iceman. <s>You're quite handy on a lathe yourself</s> I mean the apprentices you command ;)

[BANDITROD]

maybe an R6 tail

[sharky]

quote:maybe an R6 tail
Nope again..been done to death...but close [}:)]

[WATEVR]

BMW rear end??

[sharky]

quote:BMW rear end
Nah mate...Rod was closer...

[2ndclasscitizen]

M1.

[sharky]

Nope....Doesn't anyone here read AMCN ?
Yamaha YZFr125. Same designer as R1/6. Very similar side profile but nowhere near as fat ass'd as the 1 or 6.
Been available in the UK for almost a year.
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1255654994.jpg

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1255660316.jpg

[Weaselman]

awwwww its so cute

[sharky]

quote:awwwww its so cute
I really hope thats Merlyn on your log-in [:0]

[Weaselman]

its like it shrank in the wash

[rock hard]

Hey Sharky,sorry i didnt reply b 4, but today i had a xjr13 on my bench for valve clearances and i had a good look at the underside of the tank, like the rest of this bike they are built pretty solid and the tank cracking ive seen generally ducati ss and monster models but ive seen it on some jap bikes as well it seems to start in front of the metal fillet under the tank it seems to be worse if the tank is full when proped up as there is a lot of weight on the pivot area.but as the xjr13 isnt normaly hinged its not a prob ,just suggest that you aviod a full tank if your proping it up.hope this long winded explanation makes sence.all the best..morry

[sharky]

Cheers mate...we have decided to stay with the stock tank mount..last thing I need is it cracking on me.

Got a huge box from the (y)UK yesterday...posted on the 29th..arrived on the 2nd [:0]
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1257281458.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1257239304.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1257241032.jpg

The plan is to use the pillion seat as a mould and make a fibreglass cover for the main part leaving the front bum stop bit exposed.
The real fun and games will be making a subframe. I am thinking about plastic welding the main bits together to get a smooth unit and hopefully make it easier to fit.
My engine etc is now on the jig at Pommy's so ...at long last....
"Let the madness begin" [}:)]

[rock hard]

EXCELLENT

[wackyrider]

That looks like a nice seat unit Russ. Original at least

[80s freak]

Good work mate, always good to see something different.

[sharky]

After searching the interweb I found one of those multi coloured CAD pictures of the yzf125 frame...the subframe was very simple...so all inspired I got stuck in....

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1257659164.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1257671757.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1257615902.jpg


The tubes are all over size at the moment and will be trimmed to suit the frame.
The stock shock mounts are almost as wide as the seat unit so they will be a relatively easy job too.
Don't know if the black plastic bits will be used but I got them just in case...

[papa smurf]

That's looking great Russ but aren't you supposed to be finishing Sarah's bike first.;)

[sharky]

quote:That's looking great Russ but aren't you supposed to be finishing Sarah's bike first
sshhhh......

[sharky]

Good news...some progress..Bad news my new, imported from the uk tail unit simply won't work...:(
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1259219245.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1259151882.jpg

However...there are new ideas happening now [}:)]

[Weaselman]

its not a critisim but the top tube looks to high above the engine and with that tank it looks to tall

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by Weaselman

its not a critisim but the top tube looks to high above the engine and with that tank it looks to tall


Might not seem so when the rest is there.

[sharky]

The tank is not fixed yet...it needs to slide back slightly as well ...this will lower it.

[geesexar]

shes lookin the goods sharky shame about the tail

[miniman1]

Progress!! I like it mate.....tis a shame bout the tail tho....

[Azrael]

Looks hollywood mate, great work!

[Weaselman]

quote:Originally posted by Azrael

Looks hollywood mate, great work!


You'll have to scrap it now mate:D

[scotty]

Shit hot russ

[sharky]

quote:Progress!! I like it mate.....tis a shame bout the tail tho....

Gonna try it on the wifes bike before I do anything else with it.

[crazymofo]

nice work thus far russ,

if the tail doesnt work out for you, let me know, i may be interested in it for an upcoming project.

cheers.joe.

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by sharky

Good news...some progress..Bad news my new, imported from the uk tail unit simply won't work...:(


High skinny subframe from a mono-shock bike,
Low chunky subframe to take twin shocks ?

I hadn't thought about that....:(

[Azrael]

quote:Originally posted by Weaselman


quote:Originally posted by Azrael

Looks hollywood mate, great work!


You'll have to scrap it now mate:D


Noooooo... been in hard times mate, fucking sucks to have so many things to do and no money to do it[V]
Good news is a mate has offered me a job where i can make great money and have enough days off to finish off the abundance of shit in the workshop which is a huge relief. I should even be able to afford some blingy custom parts off burnsies new cnc when he gets 3phase run to the garage..

All in good time eh..

[sharky]

Azreal...I think Weasel meant the subframe not the project...

Crazy Joe, You got first dibs mate if I decide to sell it. (and thanks for the damper)

Tony, the problem wasn't the subframes strength...it was made from heavy gauge stuff...trouble was the shock mounts were about 70mm away from the tubes...so structually there was a problem...couldn't connect the 2 points without it looking real ugly.
Not to worry though....the new version will be even better with a much lower seat than we could have got with the 125 unit..... [}:)][}:)][}:)]

[Fight_fan]

Gr8 to see the project is still crankin Russ! She'l look sweet as when its all done!

[Iceman]

Is that one of those new Yamaha wooden wheels that I've heard so much about?

[Azrael]

quote:Originally posted by sharky

Azreal...I think Weasel meant the subframe not the project...




Im never sure what he's saying:D Either way, nice frame work mate, looks very tidy. Did you consider making a swingarm to suit a single shock that matches the frame? Would look awesome..

[sharky]

quote:Im never sure what he's saying
He's not sure himself sometimes ;)

quote:Did you consider making a swingarm to suit a single shock that matches the frame? Would look awesome..
Never crossed my mind mate...I'm an oldschool twin shock kinda boy.[8D]

[meanmachines]

hi wondering where you got the Billet end caps from thanks