Jeds' ZXR

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by Gitzy

Def some BXP brake & clutch resi's to tidy up the above bar area, but otherwise looks great mate.. I like it, very clean and smooth..


I was given some resevoirs etc off a B model ZX9 (The flat square ones) yesterday. I have bought after market levers (pazzo knockoffs). Will these fit the ZX9 bits?

Thanks. Jed

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[Jed]

I have put the new ZX9 master cylinders on. Brakes were crap. So I have put a new kit through them, fixed the problem a bit but still have a really long lever. What's going on[?] Any ideas would be much appreciated. The old ZXR ones were great.

Before you ask. I Have bled the crap out of these. My next step is new pads. The old ones are nearly ready to be thrown out.

Cheers, Jed

[BANDITROD]

Do you have braided lines fitted if not look at your brake line when giving the lever a good squeeze you will notice them expanding more so when the brakes are hot .......the fix for this is braided lines mate some of the newer sports bikes have them stock on the front now

[Jed]

Thanks mate. That was on my list. I just don't understand how when I had the original ZXR ones on they were really good.

[BANDITROD]

Prob more suited to the stock lines I.e piston size etc

[Jed]

I thought the same thing. But they are both 5/8.

Anyway, I'll work it out. It's not a Streetfighter if your not constantly working on it. Everytime I do some mods or change something I learn more.

[BANDITROD]

Mmmm strange what about stroke I could only assume that they are prob the same but ya never know

[pav69]

braided lines jed fixed mine up made a huge difference ,did you check the master cylinder for air when you changed them i had heaps of troubles with mine

[Skinner]

yeah I changed to HEL braided last weekend on my zxr, epic mater cylinder bleeding was required to get that lever grabbing again.

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by Skinner

yeah I changed to HEL braided last weekend on my zxr, epic mater cylinder bleeding was required to get that lever grabbing again.


Did you keep the splitter when you put your braided lines on? or did you go staright to the calipers?

[pav69]

mine has two lines from master cylinder to calipers

[rod185651]

quote:Originally posted by pav69

mine has two lines from master cylinder to calipers


Mine has single line from master cylinder

[Jed]

Yea, I have brakes:D. Put new pads in last night. Made a hell of a difference.

[BANDITROD]

Yeah that usually helps too mate

[mr.zxr]

its very common on the old zxr's to get shit brakes over time. i had the same prob. i pu K1 gsxr1000 6pot calipers on and it was an instant fix. you just need to get some small spacers made up to get the offset right.

[Jed]

New addition on the weekend.

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[xa-mont]

i bet that's whisper quite!

Looks cool.

[BANDITROD]

Fuck that must be loud ....awesome I love it

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

Fuck that must be loud ....awesome I love it


It is loud (the neighbours love me just that little bit more now as I had to start it up at 9:30pm on Friday night to test it)

But sounds really good.

[BANDITROD]

Hahaha that's awesome I have a couple of young blokes next door to me so I usually wait till they have had a party and then I fire the bikes up at 630 the next morning that slows them down for a few weeks

[Jed]

took some new updated pics on the weekend. Have lowered the headlight - ZX9 brake and clutch master cylinders - and new exhaust since last pics.

Hope you like.

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[BANDITROD]

Looking good mate

[rod185651]

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Looks good mate

[xa-mont]

looking cool man.

[Jed]

Bit more of an update. Geez, once you start on these things you can't stop.

Anyway. I decided to put the clip-ons back on. swapped them over from left to right etc so they angle up a bit. Also placed them above the triple clamp. Narrows the look of the front and gives it a more of a raked stance. Also lowered the headlight down some more. (sorry about the crappy phone pics. I post some better ones later)

Cheers, Jed

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[BANDITROD]

Looks good mate but by putting the clip ons on top have you lowered the front cos the wheel looks rather close to the radiator

[Jed]

It's lowered the front by about 10mm. All the clearances are OK. I have taken it for a decent spin as I thought the change would have upset the handling fairly dramatically. All's good though. It's actually quite comfortable with the original rake of the seat. If it gives me the sh1ts, it's only a 20min job to put the other bars back on.

[BANDITROD]

Ahh cool as long as it feels good handling wise mate

[Gix11]

Well spotted Rod. You might need to put them under the top clamp to get your height back mate?

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by Gix11

Well spotted Rod. You might need to put them under the top clamp to get your height back mate?


Thanks guys. But I think the photo is a bit of an optical illusion as the radiator is a curved unit, and there really is a fair bit of distance between the front wheel and radiator. So far I haven't had any issues with the front guard or wheel hitting anything.

The reason I put them on top was because underneath they are a bit of a stretch for me (as I'm getting old and crusty)

Cheers, Jed

[Gix11]

Sounds like it's under control then. No worries.

Cheers Jed.

[Jed]

I have the 9 motor out of the donor bike and cleaned up and painted. Just have to find the time to take the motor out of the 7 and slot the 9 in.

I have one question. Has anyone on here from Qld done a 750 / 900 conversion? What did you do regarding Qld Transport / Rego etc?

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[BANDITROD]

Looking good mate and how crafty are you with number stamps lol

[wackyrider]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

Looking good mate and how crafty are you with number stamps lol


Is it worth the risk?

[Jed]

Cleaned up the forks off the 9 and gave them a lick of paint.

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Also, a quick question for anyone who has done the 900 conversion.
What did you do about the top engine mounts not lining up? I know the link say to just elongate the mount holes on the motor. Has anyone done this or another way?

Cheers, Jed.

[pav69]

talk to timbo or josh both have done the same conversion

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by pav69

talk to timbo or josh both have done the same conversion


Thanks mate. Haven't seen Timbo on here for a while.

[BANDITROD]

I don't think he has the net on at his new joint yet also try turbokat he is a guru with kwaka stuff

[TurboKat]

I did mine pretty much as the link describes, use the externally threaded steel adjuster/collar thing on the frame as a drill/dremel guide & you can't go wrong.
I replaced the standard M12 top engine to frame bolts with Unbrako M10s on Exben's advice, it means you need to take a bit less material out of the cylinder head casting & you'd need to be God himself to notice any difference in structural stiffness.
Don't overtorque the engine mount bolts though or you'll get a lot of extra engine vibration through the bike... trust me. ;)
Once you have the engine in the frame by the 2 rear bolts it will all become clear - you might need to take the plate for the oil line off the head first or the motor will foul the frame, you need to remove a bit of material from the engine mount casting on the frame for clearance, 1 - 1.5mm is enough.
Both Timbo & I run the 38mm 750 carbs on our 9s & they were within 3 hp of each other on the dyno but recently Mick Bubb told me that when they did these 7/9 conversions back when the bikes were newish, the 40mm carbs made a 10 -15 hp improvement to the power - he reckons the 38s were too small for the 900 & he knows what he's talking about so I'm gunna try my 40s on for the next dyno day.

[Jed]

TK Your a legend.

Thanks so much for your advice. I was going to go to the trouble of making an offset adapter for the front mounts, but I don't think I'll bother now.

I was going to use the 750 carbs as well. On what you are saying I may just keep the 900 ones on it.

Cheers, and thanks again.:)

I'll keep you updated with the progress.

OH. One more question. How much difference in power output did you guys notice. I've been a Kwaka guy all my life but strangely have never ridden a ZX9, so don't really know what to compare it with.

[TurboKat]

quote:Originally posted by Jed
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OH. One more question. How much difference in power output did you guys notice.

Enough to make you go [:0] followed by [:p]
;).

[Jed]

Thanks,
Looks like I'm going to have a busy weekend.

I have also just noticed that the 9 didn't come with the CDI. So if anyone has one that they want to get rid of, let me know.

[Jed]

Some progress pics

A very naked ZXR
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900cc's of goodness with carbs on
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[BANDITROD]

Looking good mate I bet your hanging to go for a spin

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

Looking good mate I bet your hanging to go for a spin


Shit yer. Can't wait. Hopefully on the weekend

[mr.zxr]

I just elongated the engine mounts out on all my motors. you can do them up no problems.

[Jed]

It's in and going. Woohoo, what a blast. Still needs a bit of a tune up, but as is goes real well. The torque difference over the 750 motor is huge grin factor:D. Also put the ZX9 forks on, they are spot on.

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[BANDITROD]

Looking good mate but if I can make a suggestion I would paint the calipers a different colour it is the first thing I look at ...in other words they stick out like dogs balls but that's just my opinion

[rod185651]

Nice work mate

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

Looking good mate but if I can make a suggestion I would paint the calipers a different colour it is the first thing I look at ...in other words they stick out like dogs balls but that's just my opinion


Thanks Rod. I painted them that colour as I had the paint lying around and thought I'd go something a bit different. It's been annoying the hell out of me as well. I think I'll paint them the same black as the fork lowers.

Cheers, Jed

[BANDITROD]

That would look shit load better I reckon mate

[xa-mont]

i vote silver for the callipers.

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by xa-mont

i vote silver for the callipers.


Maybe i should put up a Poll;)

Does anyone know what the standard sprocket sizes are for the B Model ZX9?

And what size do you guys on here run?

Cheers, Jed

[xa-mont]

according to chain gang, 16/44 for all zx9Bs

http://www.chaingangchainsandsprockets.com.au/kawasaki-specs/up-to-1400cc.html

[BANDITROD]

I'd go 15/45 mate

[Hillsy]

Gold calipers same as the fork uppers if there's a vote happening.

Looks pretty sweet.

What did the engine swap entail? New mounts?

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

I'd go 15/45 mate

I've currently got 16 / 45 was thinking of going down one more on the front

[Jed]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

I'd go 15/45 mate

I've currently got 16 / 45 was thinking of going down one more on the front

[BANDITROD]

One down on the front is equivalent to going 2-3 up on the back it is grin factor x 1000

[Jed]

Looking good mate but if I can make a suggestion I would paint the calipers a different colour it is the first thing I look at ...in other words they stick out like dogs balls but that's just my opinion

Rod

Thanks for the advice - Painted them black on the weekend. Looks sooooo much better. I'll get a pic up soon.

Cheers, Jed

[BANDITROD]

Good stuff mate now stop teasing and show us

[timbo]

I think the black would look cool as for gearing im running 15/48 and thats a shit load of fun but its a little revey on long runs :D

[Jed]

Geez Timbo. How do you keep the front wheel on the ground. Would be heaps of fun though. I ended up going 1 down on the front. So am currently running 15/45.

[timbo]

haha its easy mate you just need to use a bit of selfcontrol :cool:

[pav69]

what is self control tim where do you buy it

[Yella]

Im -1 front and +2 rear plenty of fun for all

[mr.zxr]

i used to run 15/47 with +6 on the ignition and it was great around town. it buzzed a bit on the highway but there built to rev so who gives a shit.

[Jed]

It's been a while since I posted some updated pics. Got rid of the Shitty Chinese headlight. My blinkers threw out more light. Am looking at making up a new tail to get rid of the fat arse.

Cheers, Jed - Feedback always welcome

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[Jed]

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[xa-mont]

Looks great with the round light mate. I agree on making the tail smaller/ more slender too

[pav69]

lookin good mate the round lights do suit them mate & throw some good light which helps.

[StuNVA]

very nice

[Gix11]

Yep, big thumbs up on the new light mate. Looks heaps better.

[timbo]

yep big tick for the light

[Jed]

Cheers fellas. I needed a light i could use in the dark as I finish a bit later at my new job up here in Qld. Couldn't ride it at all at night with the old one on.

No ones mentioned my sexy red wheels.

[Gix11]

Oh yea! That looks better as well. Less insipid.

[Jed]

Oh yea! That looks better as well. Less insipid.

"Insipid" That's got to be the first time on this Forum i've seen the english language used in such a manner

[stiffsimon]

Well Si is English and he knows how to use the English language proper like innit?

[Yella]

looking good

[Jed]

New adjustable ignition advancer arrived from APE in the States.

Have set at +5 at the moment and re-jetted to feed some more fuel in. Noticable difference = Huge.

Anyone else on here run an ignition advancer on a ZX9 motor? What setting are you at?

[kartras]

Looks the K9's Genitalia mate...Big Thumbs up

[ozzy1100]

jed mate i dont know about yr motor but most adv i have used or come across are 4 to 5 dec before you start to loss
hp in other areas

[Jed]

From what I have seen, Around +5 seems the norm

[mr.zxr]

hey Jed.
i didn't know you had the 9 motor in. what jetting did you do. from memory i just shimed up the needles 1mm with standard jetting. the main thing is you noticed the difference. A high flow air filter also made a difference.

[Jed]

hey Jed.
i didn't know you had the 9 motor in. what jetting did you do. from memory i just shimed up the needles 1mm with standard jetting. the main thing is you noticed the difference. A high flow air filter also made a difference.

I'm still running the 750 carbs. I had a lot of trouble getting it tuned with the original 9 carbs that came with the motor. Not sure why, but just couldn't get it to run smooth. I replaced the 170's with 190's and i had some other that were drilled out to 200, so they replaced the original 190's. If that makes sense. I've already got a K&N filter fitted.

How do you shim up the Needles? Might be something to look at as well.

Maybe I should give it some boost, but although I do have some mechanical ability it's pretty limited when it comes to that. And my motorcycle budget is basically non existent.

[DCRacing]

Looks great Jed, Love the clean simple set up

[mr.zxr]

If your budget is tight, i'd stick the carbies. I love my setup but i have spent some coin over the years. Yella got his up and running pretty cheap tough. You can buy adjustable needles or just get some little washers and slide over the needles. About an hour of time and 20c out of the budget.
I'm still running the 750 carbs. I had a lot of trouble getting it tuned with the original 9 carbs that came with the motor. Not sure why, but just couldn't get it to run smooth. I replaced the 170's with 190's and i had some other that were drilled out to 200, so they replaced the original 190's. If that makes sense. I've already got a K&N filter fitted.

How do you shim up the Needles? Might be something to look at as well.

Maybe I should give it some boost, but although I do have some mechanical ability it's pretty limited when it comes to that. And my motorcycle budget is basically non existent.

[Jed]

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[ozzy1100]

What u end up running Jed ?

[Jed]

Pretty sad really Ozz. Consistant 11.50's. My 60ft times are letting me down. I have trouble getting the thing off the line - need more practice I think. 60ft times are all 2.0's and cracked one 1.9. From what I can see I should be doing 1.7 - 1.8's.

Would strapping the front help this??

Also I think because I'm running the 750 carbs might be losing some power as well. I have the 900 carbs, I just can't get them to tune properly.

Had heaps of fun though. I must have had around 15 runs. Not many people there. The longest I waited in the staging lanes would have been 2 minutes.

[DCRacing]

hmmmm should have gone........ oh hang on bikes in bits, too much work and no leave pass from the boss........... Yep should have gone lol.
Looks like you had a good night.

[ozzy1100]

top job, i have been on nights like that they are gold . do a run come back do next etc etc
And i dont care what anyone says mid 11's is still fucking fast in the real world
If it was me, Id work on me long before I worked on the bike to go faster. The bigest gains in drag raceing are to be had by just getting the process of drag racing done well. Its the 10ths after that that cost time and money . Get constant before you aim to go faster and you will become faster as you lern to be constant and by then you will have a much better idea on what to do to go faster.

the bigest gains will be in getting your 60 foot times to that 1.7-1.8 mark. that could be done with no change to the bike and some practice imo, if it was me id do at least one more test tune night as the bike is and see what happens....at worst you dont go any faster you still end up having a great night out. just have fun go fast later, you of all people should know the cost of wanting to go silly fast lol

[Jed]

Thanks Ozz. I could go out and buy a newish Kwaka thou or zuki and be running 10's but that's not what I'm about. I love my 20 year old bike that no one has any idea of what it is.

You're right. Need heaps more practice off the start line. All the times and mile an hour were almost identical so everything there is really consistant. Before I go out next I might change sprocket size and see what diff that makes.

Anyhow, like you said it's all about having fun. And i definately do have that.

[ozzy1100]

for pure fun test tune nights on a bike like yrs is gold
if the bug bites its great but diff to when nothing is on the line lol

[timbo]

Hey Jed i have the same set up with zx9 donk with 750 carbs. Im running 15/48 grearing and im ran a best of 11.45 but a consistant 11.5 to 11.65 but haveing a great time doing it. Im just out there for shits and giggles and the biggest giggle comes from the fact that my bike owes me about 4k and a lots of guys out there spend that on there car only to go slower by a lot. An 11sec street car is a very serious bit of kit ;)

[ozzy1100]

timbo after yr call on pete in the drag post and now yr calm call on having fun for little in drag raceing
you sir are a legend.......

[Jed]

I'm the same Timbo. It's all about fun for me.

My gearing is 15/45 and hitting 192 - 195kmh at the line. What speed you run with that gearing?

[timbo]

From memory i was getting around 118mph/121mph so about the same ball park in speed. I have no idea on 60f times, ill have to try and find the time cards. The last time i was on the track was easter last year at heathcote park co the card my bve well gone

[Jed]

Timbo - I see you sold your place in Woopi. You should move up to sunny Qld with all the excellent people.

Also - is there anyone up this way that is good with carbs? I do have the original ZX9 ones but just can't seem to get the tune right on them. Any Gurus up this way that can help me out?????

[ozzy1100]

pm sent i think if not pm me yr number