NSW wants these laws , like SA

[EFE 1230]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

glad to see some chat about this.
i first brought this up on the 22 of july last year and no-one seemed interested


No, no-one can UNDERSTAND it!!!

I think EVERYONE would like to know what the fuck it's all about, just explain it to us as if we were 3yr olds..................

[Bear]

Basically (this is what I got out of it),Scrotary got pulled over and asked for licence, Scrotary gave an international licence (?) or some such, copper didn't like it and asked for verbal ID, Scrotary says no, Copper askes again and threatens lockup, Scrotary says no and advises cop that he has nothing to lock up for, Scrotary gets locked up and calls the Feds who tell the copper to let Scrotary go because they have nothing.

Am I correct?

[uncle pervy]

Nowhere in the new legislation is the word bikies used, so it can be used to target any group. Your old uncle's bowling club, local surf livesaving club, even us.
All it needs is for 2 members to be accused of criminal activities and the club, group, assosiation, ect. can be deemed outlaw. The police will have the power to declare a club or any other organization illegal. Any police intelligence used to issue control orders against members or anyone associating with them must remain secret. Oh and they dont have to prove a case against you to have a control order placed on you nor do you have the right to appeal. For police to declare a control order all they need is a sargeant or higher to sign the order.
It will give the Government the power to jail a person for a minimum of five years if they have contact with members of an outlawed group, club, assosiation, ect. six times a year. This can include personal meetings, emails, text messages, faxes or phone calls.
Members and their associates of outlawed groups can be issued with control orders banning them from having contact with each other.
Any member who has a criminal record who has contact with someone else with a criminal record at least six times a year will face five years in jail.
Both the Law Society of SA and the SA Bar Association have called for it to be withdrawn.
Australian Democrats leader Sandra Kanck has also raised concerns about the Bill

That help?

[EFE 1230]

I get the bikie laws, its the SCROTARY "court room is a ship/capital letter corporation" voodoo
that I can't comprehend.

[uncle pervy]

Oh and for the record. I have a criminal record.
So if you have one also, don't read my post's or you'll put us all in danger :)

[EFE 1230]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

Oh and for the record. I have a criminal record.
So if you have one also, don't read my post's or you'll put us all in danger :)


It doesn't have anything to do with your user name does it??

[BANDITROD]

is this shit still going ...dont any of you cunts get pissed on the weekend ...ffs i have a hangover ssshhhhhh.......

[latheboy]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

is this shit still going


X2

[scrotary]

simply, we are all created as equals, the only way other humans have authority over us is by force(rape,genocide,apartheid), or if we sign our rights over to them, rights are god(whoever that is) given, and unalienable. we give up our rights for privelages and opportunity, privelages are given by man and can be taken away, it all stems from your birth certificate, the CAPITAL LETTER person named on it is not you, the state allows you to use it to exist in there world of fiction. there is no way to prove that your birth certificate is yours, hence identity theft. the state however can prove they own it as it has there seal on it and two signatures, creating a corporate trust. the way the police get power over us is by asking us a for a name, JOE BLOE, note they will always write in caps, under maratime law, which still exists, all vessels must be named in caps, all vessels must have transport papers(drivers license). go try and order a headstone with your name in lower case, you will be told that its impossible as when your dead your name is put in caps. the next way they get power over us is by asking if we have an address, if we say we live in nsw we are admitting we are property of nsw as when the states were created they made a 'statement of claim' for everything inside there borders, commonly known as 'chattel of the state', my refusal to name myself as chattel is now an offence, the officer claimed that because he did not know if i was an 'enemy of the state' he would arrest me till i provided i.d, but if he did not know who i was and i claimed i was not state property is that not kidnapping? i do have a treaty with the commonwealth as i am witnessing against them for there fictional-conveyance-of-language, but thats another more complicated story, this also affords me state witness protection, hence my release with no charge.
find out the differance between these phrases:
human being-person
certificate of live birth-birth certificate
common law-admiralty law
private-public

[Buggzz]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/749984956434096.gif

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by scrotary

simply, we are all created as equals, the only way other humans have authority over us is by force(rape,genocide,apartheid), or if we sign our rights over to them, rights are god(whoever that is) given, and unalienable. we give up our rights for privelages and opportunity, privelages are given by man and can be taken away, it all stems from your birth certificate, the CAPITAL LETTER person named on it is not you, the state allows you to use it to exist in there world of fiction. there is no way to prove that your birth certificate is yours, hence identity theft. the state however can prove they own it as it has there seal on it and two signatures, creating a corporate trust. the way the police get power over us is by asking us a for a name, JOE BLOE, note they will always write in caps, under maratime law, which still exists, all vessels must be named in caps, all vessels must have transport papers(drivers license). go try and order a headstone with your name in lower case, you will be told that its impossible as when your dead your name is put in caps. the next way they get power over us is by asking if we have an address, if we say we live in nsw we are admitting we are property of nsw as when the states were created they made a 'statement of claim' for everything inside there borders, commonly known as 'chattel of the state', my refusal to name myself as chattel is now an offence, the officer claimed that because he did not know if i was an 'enemy of the state' he would arrest me till i provided i.d, but if he did not know who i was and i claimed i was not state property is that not kidnapping? i do have a treaty with the commonwealth as i am witnessing against them for there fictional-conveyance-of-language, but thats another more complicated story, this also affords me state witness protection, hence my release with no charge.
find out the differance between these phrases:
human being-person
certificate of live birth-birth certificate
common law-admiralty law
private-public



I thought the Matrix was an awesome film too.

[uncle pervy]

quote: Originally posted by uncle pervy

Oh and for the record. I have a criminal record.
So if you have one also, don't read my post's or you'll put us all in danger :)



It doesn't have anything to do with your user name does it??


no. got jailed for driving under suspension

[sharky]

Heard on the news today...A meeting of 70 members of various Outlaw clubs, to discuss a ceasefire, was raided by the police BEFORE it started...and they got ONE illegal weapon.
They were trying to sort things out between themselves and the cops screwed it up.

[ozkat]

These media reports never cease to amaze me. Reports say there were 70 members of outlaw clubs there, and lets say they represented 10 clubs, there actually wouldnt be 10 clubs as main players but lets say 10. Thats 7 members each. The media is trying to tell me that Hells Angels, Rebels, Bandidios, Comancheros, Nomads, Outlaws, Finks, Gypsy Jokers, etc were in the same place discussing peace? Thats media bullshit at its best.

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by Bear

Basically (this is what I got out of it),Scrotary got pulled over and asked for licence, Scrotary gave an international licence (?) or some such, copper didn't like it and asked for verbal ID, Scrotary says no, Copper askes again and threatens lockup, Scrotary says no and advises cop that he has nothing to lock up for, Scrotary gets locked up and calls the Feds who tell the copper to let Scrotary go because they have nothing.

Am I correct?


This is how I saw it Bear:

Scrotary took a shit load of drugs, Scrotary came on the forum and made some posts about Maritime law and other such bollocks, the rest of the forum went WTF?

[JackTar]

Just out of interest does anyone here know what these new laws ACTUALLY state?

[latheboy]

Oh just this and that ... nothing we need to worry about Jack

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar

Just out of interest does anyone here know what these new laws ACTUALLY state?


The new law makes it possible for the police to apply to proscribe organisations and to make association between members of those organisations an offence. An organisation can be made a "declared organisation" if the judge is satisfied that a significant subset (measured in terms of numbers or influence) of its associates plan or engage in serious criminal activity and the organisation represents a risk to public safety and order.

Once an organisation is proscribed, a control order can be issued preventing any association — by phone, email, or meeting in person — between a controlled member and another controlled member. A breach of a control order is a criminal offence punishable by imprisonment for up to two years or five years for the second offence. The control order also prevents the affected individual from working in any of the high-risk industries listed in the Act, including the security industry. There is no time limit on a control order — it remains in force until it is revoked.

[scrotary]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by Bear

Basically (this is what I got out of it),Scrotary got pulled over and asked for licence, Scrotary gave an international licence (?) or some such, copper didn't like it and asked for verbal ID, Scrotary says no, Copper askes again and threatens lockup, Scrotary says no and advises cop that he has nothing to lock up for, Scrotary gets locked up and calls the Feds who tell the copper to let Scrotary go because they have nothing.

Am I correct?


This is how I saw it Bear:

Scrotary took a shit load of drugs, Scrotary came on the forum and made some posts about Maritime law and other such bollocks, the rest of the forum went WTF?



well if its bollocks, maybe you could shed some light on the subject, explain how a queen who does not exist owns us and everything we think we own, explain the differance between civil and criminal, or illegal and unlawful, explain how you are required to pay compensation when no injury occurs, in my experience your the type of person who takes the piss then comes running for help when the system fucks you over, this is how they keep power over us, cause when the truth is put out there people scream 'conspiracy theory', i've sacraficed my time and money over the last 6 years to study this stuff so my children can live free, if it makes me sound like a loon then so be it.

[Merlyn]

Obviously you dont know either of the gentlemen you quoted just there.

As for laws... The government should be afraid of the people, not the people afraid of the government, and all of this just screams paranoia...

If youre doing something criminal then you have something to worry about, and probably should be locked up... if youre not then fucken get over it.

[scrotary]

no i don't know the people i quoted, but because they have more postings or freinds on this forum, i'm s'posed to bend over and take it, don't think so, facts are facts, paranoia doesnt enter the equation, like i said criminal and civil are different, when you are charged for an offence when no injury has occured it's civil, if you injur someone for the same offence it's criminal, under common law you can only be charged for criminal offences, under admiralty you can be charged for an offence that may lead to injuries, so why not throw us all in jail, cause i'm sure sooner or later we are going to injur someone, either through negligence or accident. everyone is etitled to there own opinion and i am not the aggressor here, i am merely defending myself, if thats in breach of the forums policies then boot me, i choose my path and you choose yours, all we can do is put information on the table, if people accept or deny it thats there business.

[uncle pervy]

just because i'm not paranoid, doesn't mean their not out to get me

[Merlyn]

quote:Originally posted by scrotary

so why not throw us all in jail


So thats not paranoia?

You and this thread bore me, im done.

[scrotary]

if that statement was to be seen as paranoid it would say 'there going to throw us all in jail' i'm not forcing you to read the my posts, if they bore you don't reply to them, if you think its just for a father to be taken from his children because his contract with the transport authority is invalid then thats your perogative. at the least i'm sure jacktar will understand the importance of never surrendering your flag,

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by scrotary


quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by Bear

Basically (this is what I got out of it),Scrotary got pulled over and asked for licence, Scrotary gave an international licence (?) or some such, copper didn't like it and asked for verbal ID, Scrotary says no, Copper askes again and threatens lockup, Scrotary says no and advises cop that he has nothing to lock up for, Scrotary gets locked up and calls the Feds who tell the copper to let Scrotary go because they have nothing.

Am I correct?


This is how I saw it Bear:

Scrotary took a shit load of drugs, Scrotary came on the forum and made some posts about Maritime law and other such bollocks, the rest of the forum went WTF?



well if its bollocks, maybe you could shed some light on the subject, explain how a queen who does not exist owns us and everything we think we own, explain the differance between civil and criminal, or illegal and unlawful, explain how you are required to pay compensation when no injury occurs, in my experience your the type of person who takes the piss then comes running for help when the system fucks you over, this is how they keep power over us, cause when the truth is put out there people scream 'conspiracy theory', i've sacraficed my time and money over the last 6 years to study this stuff so my children can live free, if it makes me sound like a loon then so be it.


And so it is.

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by scrotary

at the least i'm sure jacktar will understand the importance of never surrendering your flag,


That I do mate, well and truly and at the moment that flag still has a union jack on it, if I had it my way then it would not but whilst it does I will defend it and everything it stands for with my life.

[BANDITROD]

bump

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

bump


LOL yeah because it needed one ya fuckin giant fruitcake :D

[Weaselman]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

bump


LOL yeah because it needed one ya fuckin giant fruitcake :D


Packed full of nuts

[JackTar]

Haven't you been told not to post when you are pissed Weasel? Sal have words with the 'loser' will ya.

[Weaselman]

im sober and your gay and i blame you

[Merlyn]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar

Haven't you been told not to post when you are pissed Weasel? Sal have words with the 'loser' will ya.



Since you asked so nicely Jacktar :)

Shutup you gun toting, tiger dubbing, insect eaten Weasel

[:X]

[Weaselman]

Least im not a homo like Jacktar :)

[BANDITROD]

hahahahahaha .........bump

[scrotary]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by scrotary

at the least i'm sure jacktar will understand the importance of never surrendering your flag,


That I do mate, well and truly and at the moment that flag still has a union jack on it, if I had it my way then it would not but whilst it does I will defend it and everything it stands for with my life.


and i respect that more than you know, my family has a solid history in the armed forces, my brother has just returned from afghanistan, as for the union jack, i sighted documents 18 months ago about the plan for australia to be a republic before 2010, mainly because of the flaws in our ties to the monarchy, we'll see if thats true soon enough i'm sure...

[Buggzz]

I'm interested in your point of view Scrotory and have to ask if you have documented your research to a website as yet?

[scrotary]

most of this info is hard to find on the web, this is one of the blokes i'm studying under, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCy2uYi1xZc&feature=PlayList&p=47B63DE2CE087180&index=0&playnext=1.
i have thousands of acts, legislation, regulations, textbooks, and international law lectures that i am reading through to learn this stuff, start off with his vids and if it interests you i can organise some dvd's to send you, there is a large society both in our country and internationally that supports this community, to get my head around this i have had to study, roman and english history, biblical history, uniform commercial code, flag law, maratime law, universal postal union, quantam english, latin,greek,italian,french, and am now getting into the european union, coats of arms, american history, banking, and i'm only a puppy in this stuff, there is guys out there who have spent the last 25 years of there lives to spread this knowledge,

[Bear]

Just to clear the air here a bit, I wasn't taking the piss when I last posted. What I posted is what I got out of Scrots comments.

I met Scrotary at AFR when he led the Sunday morning ride. Had a good chat with him and he can ride the twisties. :)

[scrotary]

i wasn't implicating you in that reply bear, for those interested in reading the whole act it's here...
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/viewtop/inforce/act+6+2009+cd+0+N/?autoquery=%20(Year%3D2009)%20AND%20((Type%3D%22ac t%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22)%20OR%20(Type%3D%2 2subordleg%22%20AND%20Repealed%3D%22N%22))&dq=Document%20Types%3D%22Acts,%20Regs%22,%20Year%3 D%222009%22,%20Search%20In%3D%22Text%22

[BANDITROD]

bump

[gixkat]

Ok Rod I'm not fuckin falling for that again ya prick[B)] no more lookin at this thread again for me it's too much of a headfuck:(

[BANDITROD]

hahahahahahahahaha im bored

[Merlyn]

Stick your cock in a toaster, thats more fun than the crap in this thread. :D

[BANDITROD]

hahaha did weasel do that once did he

[Weaselman]

No it was a waffle iron it makes pretty patterns.

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by Bear

Just to clear the air here a bit, I wasn't taking the piss when I last posted. :)


I was.

But seriously Scrotary without having a go at you or calling you a loon etc if there are other people who have been doing it for 25 years or longer and we are still doing business as usual what on gods earth makes you think that you are going to change anything and if you do will it be too late?

[latheboy]

quote:Originally posted by scrotary


quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by scrotary

at the least i'm sure jacktar will understand the importance of never surrendering your flag,


That I do mate, well and truly and at the moment that flag still has a union jack on it, if I had it my way then it would not but whilst it does I will defend it and everything it stands for with my life.


and i respect that more than you know, my family has a solid history in the armed forces, my brother has just returned from afghanistan, as for the union jack, i sighted documents 18 months ago about the plan for australia to be a republic before 2010, mainly because of the flaws in our ties to the monarchy, we'll see if thats true soon enough i'm sure...

Dude thats old news, I might mix with different people to you but i've known about that for about 4 years now

[latheboy]

Oh yeah ....

BUMP:D

[BANDITROD]

bwahahahahaha

[Merlyn]

GAIDS

[scrotary]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by Bear

Just to clear the air here a bit, I wasn't taking the piss when I last posted. :)


I was.

But seriously Scrotary without having a go at you or calling you a loon etc if there are other people who have been doing it for 25 years or longer and we are still doing business as usual what on gods earth makes you think that you are going to change anything and if you do will it be too late?


yeh but if you learn that an injustice is being done, you have the choice to ignore it or at the least try to do something, i'm not trying to change anyone's beleifs but the fact is, according to international and domestic law(lore), not my opinion, there has been mass genocide/rape/apartheid commited in OUR country, this is still being commited today to all australians, having seen this firsthand i have an obligation to my family, and my country men, to do my best in bringing a cure, it is a steep hill to climb and i don't expect to see it in my lifetme but once the ball is rolling it can't be stopped, i have close freinds in the n.s.w police "FORCE" who are like minded, they tell me what there government asks them to do to fellow australians and are disgusted, also my freinds in the armed forces have disclosed information of things they are being trained for which disgusts them, but they have sworn an oath they didn't understand and have no choice, i was nearly in the same position as a teenager, however i could not swear that oath because i had too many questions, like who is really giving the orders, and what are there agendas, i don't judge others for there choices and don't expect judgement in return, i simply want to contribute to the cure not the disease...i do have a sense of humour but it shrinks on this subject.