WinKart (Was CBR600RRR Kart )

[Large]

I picked up a new project from Rexie today.

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/88489298279851.JPG


http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/88489298281096.JPG


Its a clubman kart with a KT100S.

I might give it a run like this, but the plan is to add a 600-750cc motor al la www.gixxerkart.com.

Just got to chop the seat in half and add a few inches of width first


[:p]

[timbo]

Hey mate nice kart.I may have a engine on my bench that might help motivate that bad boy.You know how to reach me.

[Bear]

If you whack a 600cc in, I reckon you're gonna need a longer wheel-base to handle the wheel-spin. :D

[timbo]

Barrff wheel spin wheall sphin

[Weaselman]

You trying to become the new Bubba?

[Large]

Bubba is trying to become the new Large

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by timbo

Hey mate nice kart.I may have a engine on my bench that might help motivate that bad boy.You know how to reach me.


What motor and does it come with a wiring harness?

I'm thinking of getting a stat write off/pallet bike for all the bits.

[timbo]

No i'm not even half the big mans size.But i just spent the day at an all American car show cursing around in a 657hp Corvette so wheel spin is no problem. 100kph foot out through the headlight,tyre smoke no worries. Big fun.

[timbo]

zxr 750 unfortunately no harness

[BANDITROD]

hey large what are you gunna do with the donk thats in it mate i want first dibs if its up for grabs ohh and btw you can buy a seat to suit ummmm a man of your stature

[pappas]

But if you make it longer you may have to chop up the trailer to fit it in. You wouldn't want to ruin the gal on the trailer would you?

[Weaselman]

yeah man that trailer is like 30 years old and has no rust!

[Seifer]

Hahaha

[TurboKat]

So you bought it after all :D You just couldn't help yourself eh mate?
Hit Roly up for his ZX9... he's not using it [:p]

[Deano]

loom shouldn't be a problem mate just make your own

[latheboy]

quote:Originally posted by timbo

No i'm not even half the big mans size.But i just spent the day at an all American car show cursing around in a 657hp Corvette so wheel spin is no problem. 100kph foot out through the headlight,tyre smoke no worries. Big fun.

I was there too .... Good day...

Large and Doc need to have a race:D

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by homo#1

But if you make it longer you may have to chop up the trailer to fit it in. You wouldn't want to ruin the gal on the trailer would you?




quote:Originally posted by homo#2
yeah man that trailer is like 30 years old and has no rust!

Eat me[:p]

Have a look on the gay of bay. It's worth trying to keep it unfucked with.

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by TurboKat

So you bought it after all :D You just couldn't help yourself eh mate?
Hit Roly up for his ZX9... he's not using it [:p]


Another pissed purchase.

And I'm not building a boat so I wont need an anchor:D


quote:Originally posted by Deano
loom shouldn't be a problem mate just make your own

too much fucking around. I figure if I can get a pallet bike with a good motor and wiring/instruments it'll just need a few cable ties to hold it all in place

[Docktor]

so whats the plan Large ?. Wot ya got sorted for it ?. I got my 1100 bolted in but i reckon a r6 donk is gunna eat mine for dinner. If you wanna girl out and go old skool on it I may have a spare 750K motor kickin around in a weeks time. Mine is lengthened about 600mm and double strengthened from rear to halfway down with another frame welded on top of the other. trying to stop it twisting under power

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Docktor

so whats the plan Large ?. Wot ya got sorted for it ?. I got my 1100 bolted in but i reckon a r6 donk is gunna eat mine for dinner. If you wanna girl out and go old skool on it I may have a spare 750K motor kickin around in a weeks time. Mine is lengthened about 600mm and double strengthened from rear to halfway down with another frame welded on top of the other. trying to stop it twisting under power


Nothing yet. Just going to keep an eye on the auctions for a stat write off in 600-750 size and go from there.

Got any pics of your install?

I was thinking of running angle stays up to the top of the motor to add a bit of twisting resistance to the back.

[Hillsy]

Here's a TRX donor [:p]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Yamaha-TRX-850_W0QQitemZ270343480361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Mot orcycle_Parts_Accessories?hash=item270343480361&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318

[Docktor]

I will grab a few pics of wot i did and get em off to ya mate. I dont take many pics of the shit i do, I am too busy fuckin shit up to grab the camera, but for you........... consider it done .

i dont wanna see v twins... when my tractor throws a leg out of bed i am gunna slap in a tlr motor.

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Hillsy

Here's a TRX donor [:p]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Yamaha-TRX-850_W0QQitemZ270343480361QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Mot orcycle_Parts_Accessories?hash=item270343480361&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318


A V twin would mean the kart doesn't need to be so wide...

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Docktor

I will grab a few pics of wot i did and get em off to ya mate. I dont take many pics of the shit i do, I am too busy fuckin shit up to grab the camera, but for you........... consider it done .

i dont wanna see v twins... when my tractor throws a leg out of bed i am gunna slap in a tlr motor.


Cheers mate. I've just been back to gixxerkart.com and saw this,

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/22910621266967.jpg


So if yours is similar you don't need to bother with the pics (although I'd still like to see it).

One more thing. Are you running front brakes?

[Docktor]

Yep, kinda similar mounting, have to say mine is a little rougher :),
about front brakes............ ummmm no. mine is a old kart and aint got em so i not interested in trying to fit em. spose ya could use quad front discs and callipers ? not sure diameter of the discs tho?. any ideas ?

[Hillsy]

V-Twin? What V-Twin?

[DiscoDan]

well it thinks it's a V twin

[Docktor]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/200045954231408.JPG

[Docktor]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/200045954206017.JPG

[Docktor]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/200045954124104.JPG

[Docktor]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/200045954259152.JPG


There we go Large. rough hey ?

[Large]

Yeah a little bit.:)

It looks like you've added a lot more metal than the Germans did on Gixxerkart. Is your motor much higher??

Thanks for the pics...Got one more pic of the whole kart so I can see how it looks?

Btw i bought another kart yesterday. Best ebay deal I've ever done[:p]

[Docktor]

the motor is back outof it right now for seat relocation :). I will get the seat sorted and then drop the engine back in. Wot did ya score off the the gay of e's?

The engine sits about 3/4 of a inch above the frame of that helps ?.
motor same angle as it would sit in a bike as you can tell by the writing on the sideplates.
chain will be SHORT :)

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Docktor

the motor is back outof it right now for seat relocation :). I will get the seat sorted and then drop the engine back in. Wot did ya score off the the gay of e's?

The engine sits about 3/4 of a inch above the frame of that helps ?.
motor same angle as it would sit in a bike as you can tell by the writing on the sideplates.
chain will be SHORT :)


Is there a reason the motor couldn't sit down a bit more between the frame rails? are you off roading it?

That chain will be about 32 links I reckon[:p]

I scored this from eGay-

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110351775506

It didn't look like much in the ad but i've been learning from the master ;), so I took a punt on it and ended up with this-

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/20004622686661.JPG


Plus it came with 2 stands, a starting trolley, bead breaker, 3 exhausts, tacho, enough spare bearings, a sprocket and brake carriers to put a 40mm axle on the other kart, heaps of sprockets/chains/plugs/carb parts/tyres/wheels/cover and lots of weird little kart specific tools etc etc

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/20004622636617.jpg


plus about 30kg of ballast lead incase I'm not heavy enough


:D:D

[Docktor]

I just didnt want the engine resting on the rails is all. no offroad here. gives me a little room for oil changes and shit like that, have to extend the chassis about another foot so me head isnt sitting on the zorst pipes. back to the steel shop tomorrow for some round stock , either that or go pinch a shoppin trolley.

wot ya gunna do with the new kart ? , ya not thinkin of using that for ya bike engined kart ? excellent buy for 500 scheckels indeed. guess ya got plenty of lead to make some sinkers hey ? :)

[Large]

Is that another foot on top of what you've already extended it?

New kart is way too good to chop up. I'm going to have a few runs in it at the local track.

[Docktor]

Yep, gunna come in a pouch hair under 8 feet long.....................

[skiddz]

dunno if its worth mentioning but wouldnt solid mounting the engine give excess vibration in the frame leading to failure?

IMHO could be worth getting some rubber mounts, i saw somewhere a while ago some dude made his own for a 1UZ soarer/crown/some other toyota/lexus

[Docktor]

I thought about that, and then decided stuff it. it has the same rubber mounting it had in the bike so if its good enuf for the suzi gods its good enuf for me

[CoinSlot]

How goes the kart building?

I recently bought a kart with the intent of "gixxerkarting". Already has a lil YZ125 engine in it.

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl84ll//IMG_3077.JPG


You guys are making much more progress than me.

[Docktor]

I tryin to have it together for afr but not real sure how i can get it there, my trailer is full. doh

[Stocky]

Bike engines ruin the balance and handling of a kart.

If you want a really quick kart you only need to get a XR50 engine.

It's a 250cc rotary, makes 52HP and it fits in the normal kart motor spot etc. No weight penalty. No handling penalty.

Really needs front brakes but LOL.

I've always wanted to fit a speedway solo bike motor to a kart and try that.

If neither of the above are enough, then a twin engine version of either would still be better than a bike engine.

[Stocky]

Here's the Rotary, it's not the best pic of the engine sorry.

This thing is MENTAL fast.

Will not keep tyres under it.

Flogs a 125cc 2 stroke, 6 speed gearbox (ICC) Kart.

In NZ they race them in a 250 open class. You can run anything up to 250cc. Including bike engines and gears / methanol etc.

The Rotary wins. You change the exhaust and the ignition a bit and they jump to 64HP.

SAETTA built a twin engine one, I've got a photo of somewhere.

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/597140182438738.jpg

[Docktor]

Ya not gunna believe this Stocky but i aint building it for balance or handling .......
Im building it coz i can. Them donks sound like fun but i didnt have one layin around.
One question thos, wots the belt driven thing off the rear axle ? My first thought was a starter but now i dunno after i looked at it again

[BANDITROD]

what sort of torque do they put out stocky

[Stocky]

Fair enough on the "cause you can" comment.

Funny you ask about the torque, it's actually the most impressive thing about the engine.

I expected a Rotary to be all revs and no grunt. Turns out it's a grunt monster.... see below

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/59714085043391.jpg

[BANDITROD]

ummm ...yeah i was expecting fuck all torque ..but that has shut me up mate

[Deano]

water pump i wold say doc

[Stocky]

Yeh, it's a water pump

[Docktor]

Sweet, ta dudes. had me fucked.
fukkin water boilers. :)

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Stocky

Bike engines ruin the balance and handling of a kart.

If you want a really quick kart you only need to get a XR50 engine.

It's a 250cc rotary, makes 52HP and it fits in the normal kart motor spot etc. No weight penalty. No handling penalty.

Really needs front brakes but LOL.

I've always wanted to fit a speedway solo bike motor to a kart and try that.

If neither of the above are enough, then a twin engine version of either would still be better than a bike engine.




This looks pretty balanced to me and has 3 times the power of the rotary thingy[:p]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9Qt6FFSu8

Check out how well this one is balanced too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9Qt6FFSu8

[TurboKat]

quote:Originally posted by Large

This looks pretty balanced to me and has 3 times the power of the rotary thingy[:p]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9Qt6FFSu8

Check out how well this one is balanced too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9Qt6FFSu8


LINK FAIL !!111111!!1!11ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDANDELEVEN11

[Stocky]

If you wana see the Rotary thing go then check the link,

Give him a lap or 2 to warm it up and watch it go (and corner)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDFdI_Rsp0s&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaim%2Dmotorsport%2Eco%2Euk %2F&feature=player_embedded

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by TurboKat


quote:Originally posted by Large

This looks pretty balanced to me and has 3 times the power of the rotary thingy[:p]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9Qt6FFSu8

Check out how well this one is balanced too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR9Qt6FFSu8


LINK FAIL !!111111!!1!11ONETHOUSANDONEHUNDREDANDELEVEN11


D'oh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhVhY_BAHJ0

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Stocky


If you wana see the Rotary thing go then check the link,

Give him a lap or 2 to warm it up and watch it go (and corner)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDFdI_Rsp0s&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaim%2Dmotorsport%2Eco%2Euk %2F&feature=player_embedded


That's seriously impressive stuff, and I've googled XR50 and found heaps of vids and info.

but I'm not in the market for a $6000+ moteur.[:0]

[Docktor]

oh, its only 6K worth of engine, why didnt ya say so ???. I will go grab one and another as a spare...... fuggit, i reckon mine will go ok even if its powered by a tiny gix engine.

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by CoinSlot

How goes the kart building?

I recently bought a kart with the intent of "gixxerkarting". Already has a lil YZ125 engine in it.

http://users.tpg.com.au/adsl84ll//IMG_3077.JPG


You guys are making much more progress than me.


That looks a bit like a Zipkart chassis.[8D]

[Large]

I bought another chassis when I was at AFR. I think this is the one to modify because it's already got the brake setup and has cool wings and sidepods.[8D]

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1240775402.jpg


Little Large's Kat and Slabbie in the background v ----------------------------------- V
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1240811833.jpg


It's been stripped down and the brakes have been cleaned up, new bearings all round and new brake lines on order.

Just got to find a moteur to bolt in behind the seat and it's gtg.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1240835277.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1240815333.jpg


The sensible thing would be to bolt on a big bore 2 stroke where it was designed to go and pretend it's a kt100s...[:p]

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1240761349.jpg

[Weaselman]

thats a superkart chassis.
Seen them hit 200+

[El_Hefty]

fuck yeah it had an aero floor... parts of it still lie on my front lawn....

hey rich where you getting the brake lines?... i know a guy who has a brake shop with hose making machines who could have done that for free

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by little_large

fuck yeah it had an aero floor... parts of it still lie on my front lawn....

hey rich where you getting the brake lines?... i know a guy who has a brake shop with hose making machines who could have done that for free


Yeah so do I.

I seem to remember placing an order with him a coupla weeks ago.:D

New aero floor will be in 2mm propeller plate alloy

[El_Hefty]

wheres the fucking templates then so <s>I</s> my friend can copy or modify to your liking...:)

[Large]

Supposed to be coming up this week...possible delays to be expected.

Can your mate do braided lines?

[El_Hefty]

My mate can arrange braided lines at mates rates even .... again templates please

[Large]

Looks like it's going to be Honda 600RRRRRR Powered.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1241544095.jpg


Assuming I can bypass the H.I.S.S and make the little fucker run[:0]

[Docktor]

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1241569149.jpg

[pt]

fuck i wish i had a warehouse for my house and as much money as i wanted to go to town at the auctions. i hardly even have enough for bog roll these days!

will be a cool kart though, how much does the moteur weigh and how much weight can that kart handle? Should be able to handle the measly power of a honda no?

[Lucas]

quote:Originally posted by pt

fuck i wish i had a warehouse for my house and as much money as i wanted to go to town at the auctions. i hardly even have enough for bog roll these days!

will be a cool kart though, how much does the moteur weigh and how much weight can that kart handle? Should be able to handle the measly power of a honda no?



Just steal the bogroll from cafe's in civic.

[el sammo]

uh oh!! no key? VERY BAD

[Slain]

only way to bypass the hiss is to get a honda race ecu which is about $1500 from memory.
or find another wrecked 600rr with the computer and key, either way its a pain in the ass

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Slain

only way to bypass the hiss is to get a honda race ecu which is about $1500 from memory.
or find another wrecked 600rr with the computer and key, either way its a pain in the ass


Yeah I've been doing a bit of searching and I think I'd need the HRC harness too for that solution.

I'm pretty sure I can sell everything I don't need and make back the purchase price...then it's just whatever it costs for the starting solution

[BANDITROD]

very cool big fella and surely there must be a way to bypass the hiss what about an aftermarket computer

[Deano]

local honda mech that came into work today rekons $1500 for a replacement hiss

[RED ZX]

I reckon just setup an aftermarket ECU like BANDITROD said.

Something easy like a EMS stinger.

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Deano

local honda mech that came into work today rekons $1500 for a replacement hiss


Does that include keys?

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by RED ZX

I reckon just setup an aftermarket ECU like BANDITROD said.

Something easy like a EMS stinger.


We did the maths on that.

Looking at $500 plus dyno tyme for a second hander or kit...or $1000
+ for a newer/better ecu + dyno time[V]

[Deano]

thougth so, told 'em you had no keys

[Large]

Looks like I can get a harness and ecu from us ebay for 300us or so all up

If the fuckers will ship to Aus

[nelpd96]

Large,
A way to save on dyno time would be to sus out formula SAE as they all run 600cc bike engines. there will be someone that has done a tune on a CBR600. You can get an Adaptronic for $1000 and it has an auto tune function, I also know that it has been used on FSAE cars as well.

Cheers
Paul

[Gix11]

quote:Originally posted by Large

Looks like I can get a harness and ecu from us ebay for 300us or so all up

If the fuckers will ship to Aus


Contact Adam mate (customfighterer), he'll help with U.S. stuff.

[DiscoDan]

quote:Originally posted by nelpd96

Large,
A way to save on dyno time would be to sus out formula SAE as they all run 600cc bike engines. there will be someone that has done a tune on a CBR600. You can get an Adaptronic for $1000 and it has an auto tune function, I also know that it has been used on FSAE cars as well.

Cheers
Paul

I think the SAE engine have some serious restrictions mandated (exhaust washers) which would make them less useful as source of info. Unless of course you want to restrict the power :)

[Large]

All the sidcars at the IOM run CBR600s......

[nelpd96]

Yeah the FSAE cars run a 23mm restrictor, my point was that the base maps and settings would be there and you can use the auto tune function, which is excellent, to sort out the fuel and ignition.

Cheers
Paul

[Large]

Bought an ecu and harness from egay us for about 360 bux.

Got to find some nice tubing and draw a few plans up for lengthening and strengthening the chassis before I start cutting.

[Deano]

good score mate well done

[Large]

Found a good website for inspiration

http://www.motokarts.com/

[Large]

ECU and harness turned up yesterday. Clipped everything into place and got a result[:p]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Icbcf3QZ8hY

Just need about 10m of 28mm tube now

[FIGHTERMC]

nice one Large mate

[fimpBIKES]

fuck, how have i never seen this thread
LOVE IT!!!

my final year project was a CBR600 powered open wheeler, was an F4i though
this whole HISS thing... DOH

[El_Hefty]

sweet mate thats a excellent result and saves some coin

[RED ZX]

excellent, now hurry up and finish it.

[fimpBIKES]

wait a sec, i just watched the vid

so did you buy a new harness etc or just use some sort of resistor thingy?

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by fimpBIKES

wait a sec, i just watched the vid

so did you buy a new harness etc or just use some sort of resistor thingy?


It turns out that 5 years after Australia started getting bikes fitted with immobilisers, the seppos still don't order them with security on most of their models - maybe something to do with an "amendment" to their constitution. So I bought a harnes and ecu from the states (eGay - Simpson Cycles- highly recommended) for ~ $370AU delivered (including fucking bank fees)

The "magic" key is actually just a bent bit of wire with a bit of green masking tape to make it look professional. I'm all about keeping up a professional image me[:p]

[TurboKat]

Wow !! [:0]
That's amazing [:0]

























You can speak French. [:0]

[Bear]

Large, I just noticed in your cart pics what looks like the remains of a PW80 or PW50?
Do you want to get rid of that?

[El_Hefty]

bear its mine... and thats a no at this stage

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Bear

Large, I just noticed in your cart pics what looks like the remains of a PW80 or PW50?
Do you want to get rid of that?


I've been told that these are the real collectors items in the garage...

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1243003309.jpg

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by Large


quote:Originally posted by fimpBIKES

wait a sec, i just watched the vid

so did you buy a new harness etc or just use some sort of resistor thingy?


It turns out that 5 years after Australia started getting bikes fitted with immobilisers, the seppos still don't order them with security on most of their models. So I bought a harnes and ecu from the states

The "magic" key is actually just a bent bit of wire with a bit of green masking tape


Good info to know.
Thanks.

[Weaselman]

quote:Originally posted by Large


quote:Originally posted by Bear

Large, I just noticed in your cart pics what looks like the remains of a PW80 or PW50?
Do you want to get rid of that?


I've been told that these are the real collectors items in the garage...

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1243003309.jpg



if they have their complience plate people kill for them

[fimpBIKES]

largey, just out of interest
how much was the wrecked CBR?


do people put roll cages on these things? when i did the FSAE chassis we had some pretty strict CAMS rules for roll hoops :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/fimpbikes/CIMG0036.jpg