Gun Control

[ozkat]

I found this on another site.


Two illegal aliens, Ralphel Resindez, 23, and Enrico Garza, 26, probably believed they would easily overpower home-alone 11 year old Patricia Harrington after her father had left their two-story home.

It seems the two crooks never learned two things: they were in Montana and Patricia had been a clay shooting champion since she was nine.

Patricia was in her upstairs room when the two men broke through the front door of the house. She quickly ran to her father's room and grabbed his 12 gauge Mossberg 500 shotgun.

Resindez was the first to get up to the second floor only to be the first to catch a near point blank blast of buckshot from the 11-year-old's knee crouch aim. He suffered fatal wounds to his abdomen and genitals.

When Garza ran to the foot of the stairs, he took a blast to the left shoulder and staggered out into th e street where he bled to death before medical help could arrive.

It was found out later that Resindez was armed with a stolen 45 caliber handgun he took from another home invasion robbery. That victim, 50-year-old David 0Burien, was not so lucky. He died from stab wounds to the chest.

Ever wonder why good stuff never makes NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, or ABC news........an 11 year old girl, properly trained, defended her home, and herself......against two murderous, illegal immigrants......and she wins,
she is still alive.

Now that is what I call Gun Control !!!


Thought for the day:

Calling an illegal alien an 'undocumented immigrant' is like calling a drug dealer an 'unlicensed pharmacist'

[Cruisecontrol]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

Propaganda for the gun nuts.

[BANDITROD]

you fuckin go girl thats the way it fuckin should be done ...well done

and thanks dan

[evilkarl]

8 years Later in life that same young girl who now suffers from manic depression loads up a perfectly legal and licensed semi automatic assault rifle and opens up on her high school class mates killing 15 and wounding 32. What a win win situation for the proactive gun lobbyist.

God love America - a country where the running republican candidate is a mother of 3, a devoted and outspoken Christian and Pro Gun.

lol at America. Lucky they make good after market bike components otherwise we might get the impression they were a country full of <s>terrorists</s> religious extremists

[latheboy]

Why would she have manic depression???? She did the right thing....

[evilkarl]

I'm sure the families of the kids murdered in previous school mass killing ask the same question.

[steampunk]

What a great story, true justic. The little girl doesn't sound like she'd turn out to be a psycho, after all it's not like she shot them in the head. Alhough having a corpse in your hose may not do good things for her either.

[bluemk1]

i think people are failing to read this. [B)]


quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/homeinvasion.asp

Propaganda for the gun nuts.

[latheboy]

quote:Originally posted by evilkarl

I'm sure the families of the kids murdered in previous school mass killing ask the same question.


So are you saying the little emo fucks who do this went through the same typ of thing and thats why they did it?
Ok fair enough guns are BAD... Guns make people kill other people "FACT" you heard it here first.. There are very few shootings by reg'ed rifles or handguns, and if they are reg'ed the shootings are done by people how dont own them..
If it wasn't guns then it would be something else, its not hard to put someone on the ground and have them never get up..
So if you had a rifle in your hand and someone was shooting at you, would you not shoot back just in case you become sad in later life?


And i did read that Blue

[bluemk1]

just funny that people are debating this and its not even a real story :D

that aside you do make some valid points latheboy [^]

she would have had more fun with this [8D]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[latheboy]

I knew its not real i just get sick of the antigun brigade

[gibbo]

Guns are GAY, Ivan, everybody knows that[B)]

[evilkarl]

I'm not anti-gun nor am I pro-gun. Guns have their place, in the hands of sport shooters.
Fact is people become hero's when they have a gun in hand, but might think twice before having a go at you with a lump of wood, knife, fists.
Its off topic to this story, but if neither had a gun, its more likely both would have lived, and more chance the fuker could suffer a slower more painful existence in a US Jail with hopefully hard labour, but that's another story.

[latheboy]

You must have a shit load of them gibbo, you are a raging [:X][:0]...;):D

I've said my bit im done...

[Weaselman]

I agree with australias tough gun control.
I have no problems with hunters and farmers owning firearms.

But people who need 20 rifles to sometimes go to a shooting range i dont beleave should have a licence.
Im an ex soldier as alot of people on here know and alot of fellas on here are still soldiers and when you hold a weapon every day i can say Ive got no intrest in holding on in my spare time.

BUT
If I lived in a country area I would own a rifle or a pistol and I would use them for hunting.
And legal or not if some cunt forced his way into my home and threatened me or my missus id blow the fucker in half.
I dont give a flying fuck that he was a junkie or some turd down on his luck if you break into my home to take what i worked to own im going to drop you

thats my 2 cents

[pappas]

Guns are funny!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzri8dn7p0&eurl=http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13840&feature=player_embedded

Or maybe I just got a sick sense of humour!

[Jockney Rebel]

guns dont kill people ..people kill people

[Fish]

quote:Originally posted by Weaselman

But people who need 20 rifles to sometimes go to a shooting range i dont beleave should have a licence.

Jeeze weasel I'm glad you don't think the same way about bikes. Or people that lovingly restore their Manx and their GSXR750 RR and their TZ to only dust them off once a year for revival meets would be fucked.

[Harry]

well said jockney reb....iv never seen a gun jump out and kill anyone,same shit goes on with the non riding folks !
BLOODY MOTORBIKES tempory australian !
3/4"s of a million k"s and 38 years cruisin im still here !!!!!!
top marks to the 12 guage girl [}:)]

[Weaselman]

quote:Originally posted by Bitchfish


quote:Originally posted by Weaselman

But people who need 20 rifles to sometimes go to a shooting range i dont beleave should have a licence.

Jeeze weasel I'm glad you don't think the same way about bikes. Or people that lovingly restore their Manx and their GSXR750 RR and their TZ to only dust them off once a year for revival meets would be fucked.

youd talk to the guy with 20 bikes...
I dont think youd want to hang around the fella with 20 guns and nothing to do

[Harry]

i worked for a U.S drilling company for 5 years the yanks really are over the top...head honcho of the rig said if ur ever in texas to drop in and visit after finding out i did a bit of shooting years befor...said we could CAP OFF a couple of thousand rounds ! how many guns do you own i asked ? bout 24 rifles he said..how many hand guns i asked..hmmmmm dont know heaps was the reply ! did"nt go.

[Neo Dutch]

quote:Originally posted by evilkarl

Fact is people become hero's when they have a gun in hand

Sounds a lot like a computer keyboard.

[Weaselman]

Quick wheres Cruise? [B)] :D

[Fish]

quote:Originally posted by Weaselman


quote:Originally posted by Bitchfish


quote:Originally posted by Weaselman

But people who need 20 rifles to sometimes go to a shooting range i dont beleave should have a licence.

Jeeze weasel I'm glad you don't think the same way about bikes. Or people that lovingly restore their Manx and their GSXR750 RR and their TZ to only dust them off once a year for revival meets would be fucked.

youd talk to the guy with 20 bikes...
I dont think youd want to hang around the fella with 20 guns and nothing to do


Actually i do mate, every time I'm down at the range.

[Shadowzone]

I personally think Our Gun Laws are crap. They only stopped honest decent hardworking folk from owning firearms. They sure as hell haven't reduced the amount the crims have. I know of a heap of ways to import them into the country and have heard of rackets doing just that.

Look at Texas. Lowest Murder and violent crime stats in the world. Why? Because the good folk of Texas are able to carry sidearms legally in public and they do. You wanna hold up a store with a syringe? You're probably gonna get shot by a customer with a sidearm. You wanna pull a knife on the bloke at the ATM? The Granny waiting in line is probably gonna shoot you. It works! The mere presence is a deterrent.

[evilkarl]

What a load of absolute and utter bullshit.

Total murders in Texas 2007 = 1420 (Population 23 million)
Total murders in Australia 2007 = 37 (Population 21 million)


Source: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
Source: http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/

[Bear]

Guns are a tool.

[gibbo]

quote:Originally posted by Shadowzone



I personally think Our Gun Laws are crap. They only stopped honest decent hardworking folk from owning firearms. They sure as hell haven't reduced the amount the crims have. I know of a heap of ways to import them into the country and have heard of rackets doing just that.

Look at Texas. Lowest Murder and violent crime stats in the world. Why? Because the good folk of Texas are able to carry sidearms legally in public and they do. You wanna hold up a store with a syringe? You're probably gonna get shot by a customer with a sidearm. You wanna pull a knife on the bloke at the ATM? The Granny waiting in line is probably gonna shoot you. It works! The mere presence is a deterrent.



I think you may be a dickhead

[gixkat]

Hey Stu, best to stick to the facts mate, as for guns im not against them, i just dont know that i would feel that safe in a community where every Tom Dick and fuckwit is allowed to carry a firearm.

An interesting comparison stats wise would be police related shooting deaths between here and the UK, where obviously most police are unarmed, my point being if you have a firearm you will most likely use it.


The problems aren,t the firearms perse, but the psyche of the people using them, look around at the young fellas today, when i grew up in the inner burbs of melbourne you may have got into a punch up every second month or so with other young blokes out on the prowl, you gave a whack or copped one, game over, now everyone is fair game, women, old men and blokes out with their wives and kids are all targets for a full on kicking, until we straighten this shit out we cant afford to have liberal gun laws in our society.

I'm sure someone would be able to point out a country with more liberal gun laws than ours and a lower gun related crime rate, if that is the case then we need to learn from that society.

More often than not gun owners in this country are sensible law abiding people who go through the process and rigmarol to get a gun license, its time consuming and frustrating, perfect for keeping the fuckwits from going out and getting one.
my two cents, GK

[CBRRRT]

Tough one this, I had a gun for years but when my boy came along, it went. I used it for sport and kept it in a strong box when not in use, although sometimes if it was being cleaned it might sit around for a while until it went back in the box. Would I use it to harm another person? No. If some drugged up little cunt came to my house and tried to do a number on my family, I think I might. But this is where it all goes a bit bandy, I would go to prison because I shot the little fucker, never mind if he hadn’t of entered my house to do me or my family harm in the first place he would still be alive.

With regard to gun laws there should be an attachment of cause and effect. If you put your self in a situation where you intend to cause physical harm or severe distress to a third party, or your actions are of a nature that convinces the third party to fear for their safety or the safety of an innocent being attacked or threatened, and you are shot during that action, then you are the cause of your own injuries and must take sole responsibility for the effects of you actions, and any wound, fatal or otherwise.

In a nut shell,

Stay at home, mow your grass, spend time with your family, clean the car, build a streetfighter, watch T.V., eat a pizza, go to the pub and have a good time, take a holiday, go fishing, have some more kids, and I hope you have a nice life.

Or,

Go out looking for trouble, and don’t be surprised if you get it.

[Fight_fan]

quote:Originally posted by Harry


BLOODY MOTORBIKES tempory australian !
3/4"s of a million k"s and 38 years cruisin im still here !!!!!!


I kno its WAY off topic (like thats ever stopped anyone on here b4) but I fuckin hate that "temporary australian" bullshit!
Get this, my girlfriends older brother, who used to ride by the way, took it upon himself when he met me n my bike to lecture me on how I should have my priorities right n how bikes are an unnecessary risk n I should be more sensible now that I have a partner to think about![xx(]
Needless to say I promptly told him where to shove his ideas & to fuck orf! Limp dick faggot! For some reason I dont think he likes me... HaHa![^]

[CBRRRT]

Quote; For some reason I dont think he likes me... HaHa!

Why's that then mate?

[bluemk1]

quote:Originally posted by Fight_fan
Limp dick faggot! For some reason I dont think he likes me... HaHa![^]


he is jealous your dating his sister [:p][:X]

[Fight_fan]

quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

Quote; For some reason I dont think he likes me... HaHa!

Why's that then mate?


LOL! Coz he's a douche bag with an attitude problem! [^]

[Shadowzone]

quote:Originally posted by evilkarl

What a load of absolute and utter bullshit.

Total murders in Texas 2007 = 1420 (Population 23 million)
Total murders in Australia 2007 = 37 (Population 21 million)


Source: http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm
Source: http://www.aic.gov.au/topics/violence/stats/



Your figure of 37 Homicides in 2007 was vastly incorrect.

My statement was based on significantly old data which was incorrect as well, but you did point me in the right direction to update my information.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/mr/01/

This report presents findings from and an overview of key characteristics of the 18th annual collection of homicide data (2006-07), the most comprehensive collection on homicide in Australia, including details on victims, offenders, and incident circumstances. Australia wide, 260 incidents of homicide occurred in the year, taking 266 victims and involving 296 offenders. This was a decrease of 23 incidents and 45 victims from the previous year and is consistent with a significant long-range trend toward fewer incidents both per capita and absolutely since inception of the NHMP. In that period, male offender rates have fallen from a peak of 3.8 per 100,000 to 2.3 per 100,000, and female offender rates have remained relatively unchanged at around 0.5 per 100,000.

[evilkarl]

I'm not going to bother confirming your above information, I believe you, but regardless your statement about Texas was plucked outa your ass.

[suxukifreak]

ALL gun owners should be shot!!!





Not that im taking sides or anything. ;)

[gixkat]

bwaahhhaahaaa, good one Des, now thats bringing this debate back to the typical ASF level, love it.

[Zbike]

lol compare texas to the rest of the shithole of usa with murder statistics then talk.
Bet u its realativly sweet

[Slain]

i agree weasel, i am fucking sick of the things and last thing i want is one at home.
people do realise that to shoot a pistol accuratly is a difficult thing? none of this movie bullshit where the high school slut racks the weapon using her two tiny fingers and casually shoots people in the head.

[Weaselman]

Thankyou sir the moneys in the post

[BANDITROD]

well i am all for guns ....and based on what some of you blokes are saying i think that a few of you maybe fuckwits .....now just because i have a gun doe's that make me a nutter............i use my guns in a safe enviroment where there is no one in danger and for some reason you dicks think i am out to kill every person i see i mean what the fuck are you dicks on about people die in cars/bikes everyday so whats next are you lot gunna try and make it harder to get a bike/car ticket FFS wake up and smell the coffee you fuckin pussy's

[Weaselman]

yes i do think your out to kill everyone rod...

[BANDITROD]

lmao weasel

[Large]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DW9gVEYCfqY

Yeahhhh Babbyyyy!!!

[BANDITROD]

yeah thats the shit right there large

[pt]

quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT


Go out looking for trouble, and don’t be surprised if you get it.



thats a very sensible thing to say.

as for guns and that weird article, no comment.

[Jockney Rebel]

quote:Originally posted by gixkat

Hey Stu, best to stick to the facts mate, as for guns im not against them, i just dont know that i would feel that safe in a community where every Tom Dick and fuckwit is allowed to carry a firearm.

An interesting comparison stats wise would be police related shooting deaths between here and the UK, where obviously most police are unarmed, my point being if you have a firearm you will most likely use it.


The problems aren,t the firearms perse, but the psyche of the people using them, look around at the young fellas today, when i grew up in the inner burbs of melbourne you may have got into a punch up every second month or so with other young blokes out on the prowl, you gave a whack or copped one, game over, now everyone is fair game, women, old men and blokes out with their wives and kids are all targets for a full on kicking, until we straighten this shit out we cant afford to have liberal gun laws in our society.

I'm sure someone would be able to point out a country with more liberal gun laws than ours and a lower gun related crime rate, if that is the case then we need to learn from that society.canada

More often than not gun owners in this country are sensible law abiding people who go through the process and rigmarol to get a gun license, its time consuming and frustrating, perfect for keeping the fuckwits from going out and getting one.
my two cents, GK

[Jockney Rebel]

...my 2 bob ..i was brought up surrounded by weapons of all sorts [army kid] put me off the armed forces guns bombs and all the rest of it ...no one NEEDS to own a gunands the yanks constitutional right to bear arms has been abused to fuck thats NOT what the ir founding fathers meant when they wrote it into the constitution im sure

[morrigan]

Fair bit of rhetoric going on here...
I'm not anti-gun as such - done a bit of target shooting myself and enjoyed it - however, I am anti-fuckwit, regardless of the weapons they choose: cars, bikes, guns, unsecured gas bottles...
I always have a good laugh when I hear of some moron killing himself/herself by some act of utter stupidity. Firm believer in natural attrition. The probelm occurs when they take other people with 'em!

[336LJ]

Guns don't kill people - dickheads do.

This topic is rather fitting considering I finally got time to get myself down to the range and have a crack at some more target shooting.

I had only shot .22's up until cadets where we did the 4 day Steyr training course. Needless to say that, at the age of 18, gave me a tremendous "battle fat" to quote WOFF Bryson. We did 3 full long days of training and the last one out on the range.

I had blisters all over my left hand from constantly molesting a cold weapon, once I got used to it though and finally got on the range I didnt realise Id almost punch myself in the face cause the thing cocked like melted butter when it was hot ;)

I fucked up and got too excited and lost count and put an extra round into a target when it popped back up lol, so I came second. groupings like a virgins spadge though, back when I hadn't discovered caffeine.
We also did WTSS (Weapons simulator) which was kinda ghey compared to the real thing but awesome how it showed you where the thing is aiming before, during and after your shot.

As much as I probably sound like a pussy compared to you blokes here with a history of hunting, and blowing huge chunks off wildlife - I don't even want to go hunting with a weapon.
I have no thrill for killing animals - each to their own, just not me.
but shooting shit and wasting ammo and making noise sounds like a fucking fun weekend,
I like target shooting, gets my nerves in check, and I like the challenge. Plus if I miss it wont run over to me and fucking attack me !

I'm going to get my sports shooters licence. And probably for now just hire weapons ($8 at the range) Till we find out where we end up housing wise.
I had a crack at a .308 and that was awesome fun. probably around my budget too. If the ammo wasn't so fucking expensive I'd probably get my hands on one of them. Wouldnt mind a .577! I heard you can't buy the ammo for them though? you have to reload them??

My missus is about to spit a kid out and at this point in time I don't have anywhere safe to store a weapon. but the fucking shit I am getting from people just for saying I'll have a gun in the house is ridiculous!

Sick of fuckers who think they know everything, blaming the objects USED to kill people/commit crimes/do bad things. instead of the fucking moron behind the thing who should know better. that goes for guns/cars/bikes/and the rest of the shitty things people do.

Its like saying "rap music sings about hate and gangs etc" I find some of the lyrics to songs hilarious, and extremely creative.. doesnt mean I'll go running around with my pants around my ass cheeks like these fucking faggot wigga cunts and start fights at late night shopping cause I'm.. "RESPECTING, my GANGSTA...er.... shopping center food court??"
Bout as "gangsta" as a lavender scented pillow.

Same goes for graphic voilence in video games, I reckon its awesome, I'm more amazed they have pulled it off graphics wize than the blood thirsty lust to see someones head opened up.

Cunts need to shut the FUCK up. and realise its all down to how much of a fucking idiot someone is, as to what crime they commit, and how they go about it.
a 10yo kid with the right upbringing and correct number of brain cells could safely own a fire arm.

/essay

[BANDITROD]

well said mate thats what i was trying say but i just dumbed it down a shade

[Cruisecontrol]

I am with Weasel (apart from the keyboard crack) and am ex-Army and would live the rest of my life happily never having to see or touch one again.
Almost every fruit-loop I met in the Army would go out on the weekend and shoot just about anything for shits and giggles with their wide array of firearms regardless of the fact we may have spent all week on the range...You could pick them a mile off (a combination of a weird urban thousand yard stare and a Private Pile grin for good measure).
I think it takes a special kind of mentality to be a fan of guns, and it is no surprise that the vast, vast majority are men because at the end of the day shooting shit is just macho bullshit.

[Fish]

I find that there are more and more women turning to sport shooting lately, In fact my local range runs women only introduction to sport shooting every now and then and they are constantly over booked. I think people need to stop looking to the USA for thier gun stats cause they are by and large fucked in the head, I'm sure there are a few good ones though. canada has nearly twice the gun ownership per capita than the usa does and (don't quote me I havn't googled the stats in the last 5 mins) about a quarter of the gun deaths. Switzerland (that's the neutral country which so far has done a brilliant job of keeping out of shit) has a national service program (Or it did, once again I haven't updated in the last 5 mins) where they do 12 months compulsory forces training and then by law have thier assult rifle in the house (in case "ze germans" decide to attack) has virtually zero break and enters. Stats.... Are bullshit. Did you know that "gun deaths" in australia also include if you accidently shoot youself on the job with a nail gun? And you don't have to have a licence for them. Can anyone tell me how many gun deaths we've had scince 1st jan 2009? and what is the corresponding road toll? If you don't like guns then fine... don't own one that's your choice. Don't have anything do do with them, including spoiling it for the rest of us. I do therefore i will and i will operate it in a safe environment just like the generations of my family before me. My mum was a bloody good shot with pistol, rifle and shotgun. My dad has been shooting scince he was 4 and bought his first rifle when he was 12, I fired my first shot when i was 5 as did my brother and sister. My wife is showing an interest and she is showing a lot of promise, I will introduce my children to shooting as i was. How many people have either my family or I killed? None! So all you do-gooder bastards piss off and leave me and my chosen sport the fuck alone! I hope you all don't come off you bikes and suddenly decide that "it's too dangerous" and nobody else should do that either.

[BANDITROD]

fuck hoorahh mate ,thats fuckin spot on

[Elapid]

I was bought up to respect firearms. Iwas taught how to use them from a young age and to treat every rifle/shotgun/handgun as if it were loaded. I usually only shoot with 1 other person, and only level headed people(hard to find). I have never wanted to go on a rampage and kill every poor cunt. I grew up on a property and used my rifles on a daily basis to cull wild dogs and dingoes. I would only take a shot at an animal if I knew I was going to kill it with one shot.
The day after Port Authur my maths teacher, can't remember the little faggots name asked if I felt guilty for what happened. For fuck sake, he was one of these do gooder cunts that would have thought peadophiles deserve a second chance. Just because I owned and used firearms doesn't make me some nut job looking to kill people.

I was also a member of the Gladstone Branch of the SSAA(for about 12 months).......now they had some twits there. One of the cunts got done for raping his daughter, got sent to prison and most of the club kept in contact with him and welcomed him back when he was released- I quit the SSAA in disgust at them(I was 17 at the time). They were a bunch of off tap rednecks that should have been rounded up and buried.

Well said Bitchfich.

Cheers,

Kris.

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

I am with Weasel (apart from the keyboard crack, cunt)


Is that in reference to what I said about wigga's?
Well thats what they are
I'm particularly foul mouthed when I get pissed off/pissed off thinking about stuff, but I wouldnt have thought it to be a potty word on this forum!? [:p]

[BOHEMION]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/33274364138388.JPG

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by evilkarl


Fact is people become hero's when they have a gun in hand,


Well of course they do, they have a fucking gun.

[BOHEMION]

Hey Brendan, didnt know you were a shooter mate! where do you shoot at? PM if you wish

[Fish]

SSAA madden range Rick, just getting started back into it after 10yrs off. Just starting to jump through all the hoops again.

[BANDITROD]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by evilkarl


Fact is people become hero's when they have a gun in hand,


Well of course they do, they have a fucking gun.
now that sounds like absolute bullshit to me karl what are yout facts based on mate i would love to see them

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD


quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by evilkarl


Fact is people become hero's when they have a gun in hand,


Well of course they do, they have a fucking gun.
now that sounds like absolute bullshit to me karl what are yout facts based on mate i would love to see them


In 2002 every single American was shot in the head and killed, they did however all get better except for the ones who didn't, they are still dead and may they rest in peace.

Source: My arse.

[BANDITROD]

fuck you are a legend blowie

[evilkarl]

1000's of hours scientific research into the habits of American Rednecks.
Personal experience from the last cunt that gave me attitude
Cops - The TV show
3 episodes of The Simpson's
The entire American army during the Vietnam war conflict.

[BANDITROD]

lmao karl

[davio]

mm lot of emotion here ,my 2 bobs worth ? guns are made to kill things,90% of the population doesnt need to kill things, and yes ive been a shooter ,ok its fun yes but the possible downsides dont make it worthwhile to me, boys ,, go for a ride instead

[evilkarl]

Here here.

[Fish]

Refer to my previous comment of "don't like don't do it and leave me and mine alone" Next we'll be taking trucks off the road... they make more of a mess in aussie than guns do.

[davio]

um yer but trucks r made to take things from A to B its just a side effect that they can squash things on the way ,and although nothing can deliver a message quite as well as the wrong end of a gun can i still reckon we could prob do with a few less of them , mate nothin against ur sport or ur freeedoms , my point is guns have no use other than killing ,ill leave it to u to explain to a 12 yr old why that is so neccasary to ur well being

[Fish]

Ok, davio you're right, trucks are a bad example, a bit like usa. Let me ask you this.. would you also ban olympic archery, fencing, javelin or discus? These things were all originly made to kill things and have no other real use.

What are farmers to do about ferals killing their livestock or decimating their crop? How about native over population? Was not long ago i can remember the over population of Roos in canberra where they were dying of starvation and disease.

As was said previously, "guns are a tool". People are just as happy to throw rocks and molitov cocktails as shoot other people. Instead of banning the tool how about we actually fix the "justice" system to deter the people doing the wrong things with the "tools". Then we can all "just get along".

Also a person can kill just as effectivly with a ball bearing a pipe and a bit of rubber as with a fire arm. If someone REALLY wants to kill someone it's not that hard.

Just out of curiosity davio, what did you shoot and why did you give it away?

[Cruisecontrol]

OK then, just have people justify their use of a rifle.

If I went and bought a baseball bat I could go out and beat the shit out of people with it or I could go an play baseball.
If I went and bought a set of knives I could go out and cut people into pieces or I could be a gourmet chef.
If I went out and bought a gun I would go out and shoot stuff...

Guns destroy things. That is what they were designed to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Pommy Chopper]

Guns don't kill people........rappers do!!!
It's the law.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=xv-2XYOtgCg

[CBRRRT]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54165212915045.jpg

[davio]

as i said mate 90% ,,,,farmers, pro shooters , feral erasers, and yes u ,sounds very much to me like ur a responsible shooter as do all of the commenters so far,,,,i get a bit annoyed that im put in the greeny do gooder section just for opening my gob yes guns are just a tool , but ur last point? well ok ill run away from the guy with the knife and u can run away from the guy with the 30/30 and i was bought up in albury and did the rabbit shootin and a coupla of roo hunting for dog meat trips, reason i stopped? was givin the kill shot to a downed roo and my mates fave dog jumped in just as i pulled the trigger, will never forget that look she gave me before she fell over, havent shot anything since that day but did enjoy a skeet day a while back

[Fish]

davio I wasn't trying to put you in the greeny/do-gooder box mate. I'd get toey about that too. I also get toey (as i'm sure you can tell) when responsible shooters get tarred with the same brush as the crims and gungho idiots. Shooting my mates dog by accident would make me think twice about hunting, it's a shit thing to happen. I just don't see why i can't go for a ride AND a shoot. I promise the bits of cardboard that i shoot don't mind.;)

As i said before I don't think the answer is to pick on guns or their legal owners, but to fix the system so the pricks who do the wrong thing actually get PUNISHED so as to deter others from thinking the same thing.

[davio]

ha i knew it ur one of those evil fuckers who hunt stubbies arent ya? ,, well im comin up to "rescue" all the stubbies and cans in ur fridge and take them away to my reserve where they can roam free, god i hope im in time

[motogp_nut]

@ Davio: LMFAO ^^^ that's funny

@ Brendan: I agree wholeheartedly with everything you've said

@ Cruisecontrol: You're a dick. Not much of an argument, I agree, but I've come to realise you are too much of a closed-minded knob to see anyone else's point of view.

[gibbo]

I personally have nothing against guns except that the bullet never ends up where I point the thing, my problem is that you guys say "guns don't kill, dickheads do", there seems to be a whole lot of dickheads with guns out there. Was talking to a bunch of young blokes just the other night and they were telling me how they went shooting for the weekend and how pissed they were whilst doing this shooting, luckily the only thing they shot was trees.

[Fish]

These are the dumb bastards who shouldn't be let within a million miles of a firearm. However, is it fair to then tar everyone here with the same brush?

Davio..... I LOLed!

Cruise I'm really not getting your point here. Yes bullets put holes in things, they also teach you [u]discipline</u>, focus, body positioning and control as well as things like aerodynamics (you streetfighter people probably won't understand that :D), physics and a little chemistry.

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

OK then, just have people justify their use of a rifle.

If I went and bought a baseball bat I could go out and beat the shit out of people with it or I could go an play baseball.
If I went and bought a set of knives I could go out and cut people into pieces or I could be a gourmet chef.
If I went out and bought a gun I would go out and shoot stuff...

Guns destroy things. That is what they were designed to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

I think the way I am at both baseball, and being a "chef" I'd do alot better with a shot gun LOL ;)

Swing at the ball while holding the barrel, then take it home and whip up a stir fry in about 1/1000th of a second! [8D]

[suxukifreak]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/54165346521711.gif

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by motogp_nut


@ Cruisecontrol: You're a dick. Not much of an argument, I agree, but I've come to realise you are too much of a closed-minded knob to see anyone else's point of view.



Fuck off back to the hole you crawled out of you useless cunt.

Try giving an opinion before dismissing someone elses, or am I right in believing that you are just some vacuous bitch with nothing to offer but a rapidly sagging pair of tits and a passing interest in anything that will get you a little attention?

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by Bitchfish


Cruise I'm really not getting your point here. Yes bullets put holes in things, they also teach you [u]discipline</u>, focus, body positioning and control as well as things like aerodynamics (you streetfighter people probably won't understand that :D), physics and a little chemistry.




I have done all of that ([u]discipline</u> and shooting) for years in the Army and just don't understand the voracity of peoples defence of guns.
As I said, they only have one purpose and that is to destroy things.

[Weaselman]

agreed

[Neo Dutch]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
I have done all of that ([u]discipline</u> and shooting) for years in the Army and just don't understand the voracity of peoples defence of guns.
As I said, they only have one purpose and that is to destroy things.


We get it CC, you don't like guns. There is a name for an irrational fear of inanimate objects. It's called Hoplophobia.

I read in the paper that some people who ride motorcycles deal drugs. Does that mean all motorcyclists are drug dealers? Following your rationale it does.

BTW, I like your signature line that objectifies and promotes violence against women. Real class.

[Cruisecontrol]

So not every gun is designed to destroy things?

Oh noes, I hear someone is calling a non-bobber a bobber. Better get onto that one Superman!

[BANDITROD]

how does that signify violence against women i think you have your wires crossed mate

[latheboy]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

So not every gun is designed to destroy things?



I wasn't going to add anymore to this thread because id said my bit, but sorry cruise i have to say....
I have any air rifle that is ONLY designed for putting holes in paper... when it hits something made of flesh it doesn't cope, at best it would drop a black bird....
A while ago a rider was meant to have pointed a gun at a mother in her car( fact or not), Motorcyclist are gun carring motherfuckers according to the media, so that means 1 fuck wit with a rifle/pistola who does something wrong means that we are all bad guys .... If you dont like them dont get one, same as bikes we get a bad rap all the time..
I sick and tied of you cunts bagging us out when the tables are turned and someone has a go at a ride you all cry...

Im not interested in trying to make friends and say the right thing, even some of the guys on my side have made comments i dont agree with but you know what ill still drink a beer with any of you cunts .... now please drop it, yep your for it or against ... you know what .. GOOD FOR YOU!!!!!!!! Yes this is a VERY open forum and im glad that im part of it ( not many like this) but fuck me, are we talking about politics or religion? NO .. I dont like that some of you touch boys but because its not for me i dont go near it ... If you dont like looking at pics of hands cut off dont look at THAT thread, if you dont like firearms dont fucking keep at it with the same stupid shit you said 30 times already .. And the guys who are shooters ... One day ill bust out my old shitters and have a crack with you but this thread is going nofuckingwhere... :(

[Cruisecontrol]

Please look closely.
I have never said I dislike guns, want them banned or have an issue with the people that use them.
I have simply said that I do not understand the mentality of gun owners/users after having to deal with them on a daily basis (I ran the company armoury whilst in service).

What I have noticed is a ridiculous over-sensitivity of people who see any negativity to guns in general as a threat to their civil liberties and rights as a human being in general.

Nobody has given me a valid reason for the use of guns other than to destroy stuff, so I will stand by my statements. But for the love of god please stop using me as an excuse for your obvious insecurities!

[suxukifreak]

Ive had a double barrel shot gun put to the back of my head.

I lived with my ex and her parents and was moving out after breaking up.

I was packing up my stuff and her old man put a shot gun in the back of my head and said "just take whats yours".

This guy was a bushy that lived on a farm so he knew what he was doin.

Being on the uncool end of a gun i dont recommend.

[JackTar]

quote:Originally posted by latheboy


quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

So not every gun is designed to destroy things?



I wasn't going to add anymore to this thread because id said my bit, but sorry cruise i have to say....
I have any air rifle that is ONLY designed for putting holes in paper...


So it destroys paper then Ivan? Last time I checked that was a thing mate correct me if I'm wrong [:0]:D

[Neo Dutch]

Nobody has given me a valid reason why anyone should be allowed to ride a bike.
Nobody has given me a valid reason why anyone should be allowed to modify a motorcycle, in performance or appearance other than the factory norm.
Nobody has given me a valid reason why anyone should be allowed several motorcycles.
Nobody has given me a valid reason why anyone should be allowed a particular brand or model of motorcycle.

Because it's a free country and it's none of my fucking business what anyone else does as long as it's within the laws of the land.

[Cruisecontrol]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/750598037805957.gif

[Cruisecontrol]

Is that a straw-man or the Chewbacca defence?
Either way it adds up to exactly zero in this context...

[Neo Dutch]

It means if I, or anyone else in this country chooses to own firearms and does so within the restrictions imposed by state law, it's none of your or anyone else's business but our own.

Gun ownership is just like owning a bike, going scuba diving, or dribbling on interweb forums. Do so within the law and others have no right to interfere with your activities.

[motogp_nut]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol


quote:Originally posted by motogp_nut


@ Cruisecontrol: You're a dick. Not much of an argument, I agree, but I've come to realise you are too much of a closed-minded knob to see anyone else's point of view.



Fuck off back to the hole you crawled out of you useless cunt.

Try giving an opinion before dismissing someone elses, or am I right in believing that you are just some vacuous bitch with nothing to offer but a rapidly sagging pair of tits and a passing interest in anything that will get you a little attention?



LMFAO. Oooh, now you've hurt my feelings.
I did give an opinion - I said I agree with Bitchfish. Do you want me to re-fuckin-type what he said? What's the point of parroting him, you freakin douchebag?

FUCK OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cruisecontrol]

Parroting. Couldn't have said it better myself...

[latheboy]

The only part of what i said that was directed at you cruise was the bit about the air-rifle .... the rest was for everyone else...
I own more than 15 rifles .... 8 of which are over 100 years old, muzzle loaders, 3 of these were used in the civil war in the USA and 2 were used in the war of inderpendacne... They have blood on them that i dont really want to know about, but these rifles are part of world history .. does that make me a nut case because i have 15+ guns even if most of them are important to history of human kind being good or bad??.. Trust me i've been offered ALOT of money for these... Using the rifle i shoot every time i head out id be lucky to get 4 shots of in 1 minute if i really tried.. does that make me a danger to the general public in a shopping center ??? Im more trouble to the world on my bike... They dont even have to be reg'ed because of their age but i do..

I know alot of police,SOG and SAS guys and as far as i can tell ( and what they tell me ) the good guys get a license and do the right thing, its the minority that give everyone a bad name ... I think i've heard that in the biking world too ...

What I have noticed is a ridiculous over-sensitivity of people who see any negativity to BIKES in general as a threat to their civil liberties and rights as a human being in general.

This could be turned around very easily cruise but im not going to point the finger at anyone, because i dont care!!!
Im glad there is a differance in opinions because it would suck arse if we all thought the same thing.. how many ZXR7/9;) fighters would there be with the same paint/front end/lights and seat ...
Come on guys just stop telling everyone they're wrong because they think different ...
We are all about be different or am i on the wrong forum...

And suxuifreak... i've had weapons pulled on me and i've even been shot... its very uncool and i wouldnt wish it on anyone, those are the people that fuck it for everyone..

[latheboy]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar


quote:Originally posted by latheboy


quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol

So not every gun is designed to destroy things?



I wasn't going to add anymore to this thread because id said my bit, but sorry cruise i have to say....
I have any air rifle that is ONLY designed for putting holes in paper...




So it destroys paper then Ivan? Last time I checked that was a thing mate correct me if I'm wrong [:0]:D


You dickhead!!!!!!:D;)