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Surt
09-06-2011, 01:18 AM
awsome work mates!

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 03:04 AM
After a lot of thinking and baldy head scratching I've decided to go back to the roots of streetfighters and build me a café racer.
http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/paul_s10.jpg

I had a bit of a mooch around ebay and found a maggot for just under 400 quid. Bit of an ugly fucker but lots of potential with a little vision.

Anyway this is the bike I brought and I'm gonna bore the tits of you by doing my "DNA OF A FIGHTER" build on this ongoing thread.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/kgrhqr12.jpg

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 05:05 AM
Got it home and started to break it down

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/dscf0012.jpg

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 05:09 AM
Enjuns out

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/frame11.jpg

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 05:11 AM
I'll deal with you later mate

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/engin_11.jpg

Jeez! size of the fanny on that!!

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 05:26 AM
Oww yeah, since my blade was done I built me an add on to my workshop over doubling my space

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/shed_e10.jpg

bit to do yet but when its done it will be my spray shop.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00210.jpg


Oh yeah I tiled the bathroom for her indoors too, nuff said about that.

Fight_fan
09-06-2011, 07:20 AM
Another Honda Jon??? Didnt u learn after the last one? ;)

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 07:27 AM
I brought my spanners after I brought my first Honda Lance and um not sure they will fit anything else matey [V]

Fight_fan
09-06-2011, 08:11 AM
Ahhh I see! Should of got the suzuki set, they fit anything thats worthwhile! lol :D

wackyrider
09-06-2011, 08:29 AM
Nice one Jon, will be good to see this one too

CBRRRT
09-06-2011, 08:37 AM
Cheers mate, its stripped to a rolling chassis now. Next I'll be moding the frame.

wackyrider
09-06-2011, 09:27 AM
What mods u doing to the frame? And what's gonna happen witht the engine? Just a service and clean up or giving it a bit more go

xa-mont
09-06-2011, 09:34 AM
I vote SC between the V :D

CBRRRT
10-06-2011, 03:56 AM
Good clean and a tweak matey.

CBRRRT
15-06-2011, 05:56 AM
Thermostat housing was showing signs it had been leaking for a while. stripped it apart and all the O rings had perrished, so they are all gonna need to be replaced. Full gasket set for one of these on ebay is only about 30 quid.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00310.jpg

while I have it off I gave it a face lift.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00311.jpg

Nitroed the tank too

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00312.jpg

Azrael
15-06-2011, 07:47 AM
I will never complain about not having enough shed space again...you do cool things with little space Jon
Enjoy the build mate

CBRRRT
15-06-2011, 03:07 PM
Lol, the town I live in would fit in your shed matey, and the whole of the UK would look like a muddy puddle if you stuck it in the middle of OZ. I never understood how a poxy little country like England became a super power. Mybe we should have a thread on he called "Show us your shed"

BANDITROD
15-06-2011, 09:40 PM
You should get a new thread going for this Jon oh and looking good so far mate

Harry
16-06-2011, 12:23 PM
quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

Lol, the town I live in would fit in your shed matey, and the whole of the UK would look like a muddy puddle if you stuck it in the middle of OZ. I never understood how a poxy little country like England became a super power. Mybe we should have a thread on he called "Show us your shed"

jon the uwe K became a super power from floating around in timber boat's poking flag's in the ground every where hundred's of year's ago claiming the lot for king and cunt'ree :)

CBRRRT
16-06-2011, 02:33 PM
Cheers fellas.

Youre not wrong there Harry, and when they couldnt fuck over other countrys any more, they turned on the British people.

CBRRRT
16-06-2011, 02:37 PM
I did think about it Rod, but always thought of this thread "Your ride" a bit like life. It doesnt begin and end with one build. I also like the idea of this thread being an extension of my workshop where folks can drop in, see whats going on and say their bit.

CBRRRT
16-06-2011, 02:41 PM
Ok, after a couple of fils and knocking it back I went over it and looked for anymore tiny dinks

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00316.jpg

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00317.jpg

I like to circle them as I find them so I dont miss any.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00318.jpg

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00319.jpg

I aint a fan of the machine weld they use on tanks so I like to wipe round the tank with a little filler then knock it back to smooth tha edge right off.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00320.jpg

This is what I mean. I filled the edge's of the tank on my blade to get a nice smooth finish. Perhaps no one else notices it, but I know its there.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00321.jpg

Anyway, sanded of and wiped with meths to get rid of dust and greasey finger marks

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00322.jpg

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00323.jpg

Now a blast of primer. In a couple of days I will knock it back with 1200 wet and dry and look for any more minute dinks.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00324.jpg

CBRRRT
16-06-2011, 03:14 PM
Need to do something about a seat unit now. Not sure if I will use what I learned earlier and make one from fiberglass, or just buy something off the shelf. Anyway, once I get all the mounting points sorted the frame can go off to be powder coated black.

xa-mont
16-06-2011, 03:18 PM
i vote make one...

Its harder but so much more rewarding.

CBRRRT
16-06-2011, 03:21 PM
I'm kinda leaning in that direction mate, and I could do something to complement the back of the tank.

CBRRRT
16-06-2011, 03:29 PM
I like to do as much research on a project as I can, and after a bit of digging I found a few other CX500 that had the Café racer treatment.

I hope when my CX500 is done I'm looking at something as awesome as this builders creation.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/24082011.jpg

Or this bad boy

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/24516110.jpg

OLD SKOOL BANDIT
16-06-2011, 05:00 PM
For a couriers donkey, they are fucking nice !!! Really like the Black one. Get into it jonnie boy !! New thread time me thinks.

xa-mont
16-06-2011, 06:30 PM
quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

I'm kinda leaning in that direction mate, and I could do something to complement the back of the tank.


Thats what i was thinking too.

Pull some angles and curves from the back of the tank and replicate them for the tail.

rod185651
16-06-2011, 06:56 PM
quote:Originally posted by OLD SKOOL BANDIT

For a couriers donkey, they are fucking nice !!! Really like the Black one. Get into it jonnie boy !! New thread time me thinks.


I'll second that

CBRRRT
17-06-2011, 05:40 AM
I'v been thinking about making my own seat from fiberglass but wondering how I could get a profile of all the frame mounting points. The I rembered the seat the bike came with and thought I could get a cast from it.

After removing the cover and foam I discovered the seat pan was made of fiberglass. Well then, half the job has been done for me, now all I need to do is trim off some of the fat and make a pod.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/seat2310.jpg

Should be quite easy to adapt

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/seat2210.jpg

And Fiberglass sticks to fiberglass really good.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/seat5410.jpg

I think after I chop off the high bit at the back I'll be able to get a better idea of how to go. Roll on the weekend :D

rod185651
17-06-2011, 06:28 AM
Have you got a new headlight on the Blade? I don't remember seeing the gas mask on it.

CBRRRT
17-06-2011, 06:56 AM
Its the one I made from fiberglass mate, then adapted to a bio-hazard mask and added the Ford Puma side repeters as indecators.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEaOSJWgt60

rod185651
17-06-2011, 07:18 AM
Very Cool

CBRRRT
19-06-2011, 06:01 AM
Right then, on to it.

I cut the high point off the fiberglass seat pan and trimed both edges with my jigsaw

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00325.jpg

Then made up a form for the pod I will cast then graft onto the pan. The MDF form will be filled with expanding foam then sanded into shape and fine filled. From this I will take a cast and produce a mould to reproduce the finished pod.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00326.jpg

Shape looks right

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00330.jpg

As does the height.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00328.jpg

During the week I'll get it preped ready for fiberglass.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00329.jpg

Lots of other things to be getting on with for now so I'll do a bit more tomorrow.

BANDITROD
19-06-2011, 11:24 AM
I remember when you first signed up here at ASF Jon and you used to say how amazed by everyones talent you were well today I'm going to say that to you mate cos by fuck you have come along way grasshopper

CBRRRT
19-06-2011, 01:52 PM
Thanks Rod, means a lot coming from you mate. To be honest Im driven by my passion for motorcycles and the awesomely creative people that make up the performance custome secton of motorcycling.

The blade was a good project to start with as I learned a huge amount along the way from guys on here and other sites. just looking at what other people had done would spark an idea that, with a little luck, would produce something a bit cool. It gave me the confidence just to chop up anything I didnt like and chuck something else on. Basicly I learned everything will fit everything else, you just have to figure out how!

And thats the fun part mate :D

LKC73
19-06-2011, 03:50 PM
Thats going to look cool CBRRRT, I like how your building the mold for the tail.

BANDITROD
19-06-2011, 04:06 PM
quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

Thanks Rod, means a lot coming from you mate. To be honest Im driven by my passion for motorcycles and the awesomely creative people that make up the performance custome secton of motorcycling.

The blade was a good project to start with as I learned a huge amount along the way from guys on here and other sites. just looking at what other people had done would spark an idea that, with a little luck, would produce something a bit cool. It gave me the confidence just to chop up anything I didnt like and chuck something else on. Basicly I learned everything will fit everything else, you just have to figure out how!

And thats the fun part mate :D


very true mate

CBRRRT
19-06-2011, 09:45 PM
Ok, back to this for a minute.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00331.jpg

I filled the voids with some polyfoam packaging blocks then sanded them sub-surface of the frame edges. The reason for this is, If I fiberglass straight onto the polyfoam it will melt as the glass starts to cure, and I wont get a crisp finish to cast my mould.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00332.jpg

I used construction filler to go over the whole plug and I'll sand it back to the spines that form the frame work.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00333.jpg

It will need a few more fills and sand to get it right, but it will be worth all the effort. [^]

BANDITROD
19-06-2011, 10:04 PM
You continue to amaze me mate good stuff

CBRRRT
19-06-2011, 10:10 PM
Lol, cheers mate. I got a feeling the next few days are gonna get very dusty.

LKC73
19-06-2011, 10:37 PM
quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

I got a feeling the next few days are gonna get very dusty.

Nothing like sanding to make them so! Man very impressive stuff for sure.

xa-mont
19-06-2011, 10:51 PM
awesome stuff mate. keep the many pics coming.

Harry
20-06-2011, 11:19 AM
Jon your a true member of the tiny shed club mate...i know what it's like and your the champion at it :D look'in good mate !

CBRRRT
21-06-2011, 03:36 AM
The filler has gone off enough to scrape and sand back to the markers and get the rough shape

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00335.jpg

I'm gonna let it dry for another day then give it a 2nd fill

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00336.jpg

While I had the heat shield off I gave it a crafty refurb

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00337.jpg

And pop riveted it back together

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00338.jpg

Another box ticked. :D

Fight_fan
21-06-2011, 07:07 AM
Lookin real good mate! Im likin this build a lot!

CBRRRT
21-06-2011, 07:23 AM
Thanks guys, I'm really excited about this project and when I get the bit between my teeth I find it difficult to think about anything else.

This build also means something to me as when I was a boy my Dad got me a job in a local motorcycle shop cleaning the used part exchange bikes before they went on sale in the shop. The mechanic was a guy called Jacky Wells and he, over the next few years taught me to do servicing and repairs.

Saturday afternoon was a real treat, as if the weather was good Jack would wheel out his Triumph Triton and take me out for a blast.

I used the money from the job to buy a helmet, and Jack gave me my first leather jacket. The guy we worked for was a bit of an arse hole, but in my eyes Jacky Wells was a God.

Yep, Cafe recers have a special place in my hart, and the ride outs on Jacks Triton were something I'll never forget. I dont get to own a Triton, but I'm gonna have a killa cafe racer.

BANDITROD
21-06-2011, 04:04 PM
Looking good jon

Gitzy
21-06-2011, 07:03 PM
Coming along Nicely Jonny.

Oooh I spy MonoShock..

http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/5109/aprilprojects001.jpg

CBRRRT
22-06-2011, 05:14 AM
Farrrrrrrk, that's nice mate and I really like the zorst tucked away under the enjun [8D]

CBRRRT
22-06-2011, 05:44 AM
Got in tonight and gave the pod a quick sand

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00339.jpg

Then gave it a coat of PVA to seal it

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00340.jpg

While I was waiting for thzt to dry I decided to lower the rear seat mount

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00341.jpg

after grinding it off I chopped off about 2cm from both sides.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00342.jpg

I have got a few bits and bobs to weld so I'll do them all at the same time.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00343.jpg

I went back to the pod and stuck on anothe coat of filler, and tomorrow it will get a sanding with 120 grit.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00344.jpg

Then turned to the radiator and gave that a clean up. I think I'm gonna get it re-cored as its a bit forked.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00345.jpg

fimpBIKES
22-06-2011, 12:19 PM
just hit it with matt black dude, no-one looks at em


loving the build so far btw

CBRRRT
22-06-2011, 02:20 PM
Thats one way to go mate, but on this build I want to up my game and push myself to do better than the last one.

CBRRRT
24-06-2011, 07:07 AM
The pod is just about ready for a final fill then a sand with 220 grit then I'll make the base

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00346.jpg

The engin was really cruddy so I removed the fan and gave it a clean

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00347.jpg

The fan wont be going back on as I'm gonna do an electric fan conversion, and bore you silly with all the details. [xx(]

BANDITROD
24-06-2011, 07:19 AM
Looking good Jon keep up the good work

CBRRRT
24-06-2011, 07:30 AM
Thanks mate, I wasn't looking forward to cleaning that engine but now its done it will be much easier to work on. I hate get getting covered in shite fella. I'm not going to paint it because I don't think that would look very retro, but I would like to give it a going over with scotch bright. The rocker covers, oil filter case and perhaps the clutch cover will be powdercoated black. I think that might look quite cool.

xa-mont
24-06-2011, 09:14 AM
looks nice mate.

I'm really keen to see how this seat unit turns out. i respect your patients in the process... i normally just get impatient and bodge shit up :P

CBRRRT
24-06-2011, 03:47 PM
I'm keen to see how it turns out too mate as I've never made one before. they sell for ssilly money on ebay, so once I have my mould I'll might sell a few to recoupe some money.

Thats why I take photos of every stage mate, I want to get across its not a 2 minute job, but if you take your time and follow a formular, then you can do it. I learned all about that as a boy when I did my time as a carpenter and joiner mate. Anyway its not like I'm trying to meet any silly deadlines, I have lots of time so I'll use it.

CBRRRT
25-06-2011, 05:24 AM
OK, on to the base

I placed a section of 12.5mm ply on to the frame and marked a center line on it, then from the front marked back to the pod 330mm and sat the pod onto it.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00348.jpg

I marked round the pod and marked up the front of the seat

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00349.jpg

The it was a quick wiz round with a hand saw and jig saw for the curvy bits.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00350.jpg

I need to do something with that gap under the seat above the frame

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00351.jpg

I cut some blanks and ran a plane over the edges to bevel them as I want the sides to taper out

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00352.jpg

Its important to get both sides the same so take care doing this

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00353.jpg

Well then, I'm not a 100% on the shape of the sides but I can always chop em.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00354.jpg

Starting to look a bit more cafe now.

Fight_fan
25-06-2011, 08:16 AM
Whos a clever boy then?? Nice work mate! I like the shape of the infill panels.

CBRRRT
25-06-2011, 01:51 PM
Thanks mate, a bit of sanding and filling to do yet.

wackyrider
25-06-2011, 04:26 PM
Looking good Jon. I'd probably think about putting a radius on the edges (where the seat will be). This would make it flow more into the infill panels

CBRRRT
25-06-2011, 04:49 PM
We think alike fella because thats my next job, I needed to let the glue dry first so I can remove the wood screws so I dont damage my plane blade.

CBRRRT
25-06-2011, 08:35 PM
I got stuck in to shaping the front of the seat edges today after removing the fixing screws. The glue is really strong and I'm less likely to damage my blade by removing them.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00355.jpg

Its not that easy to see, but I sanded the base about 1mm smaller than the pod so I can fill it and get the two to blend

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00410.jpg

Its a bit easier to see how the infills taper out from the front of the bike.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00411.jpg

Ow!!! I forgot about this. A real stumbling block was removing the fan as I didnt have the right tool for the job. Basicly its an M14x1.5 bolt, but the tool costs £7.95.

I had a bit of a mooch around on ebay and found a Mercedes car wheel stud is also an M14x1.5 but only cost £1.75.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00412.jpg

Harry
25-06-2011, 09:11 PM
cool banana's jon ;)

CBRRRT
25-06-2011, 10:31 PM
Thanks Harry

CBRRRT
25-06-2011, 10:42 PM
Bit more filling and it starts to come together.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00413.jpg

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00414.jpg

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00415.jpg

[8D]

CBRRRT
26-06-2011, 05:03 AM
I cleaned the engine Thursday evening with Gunk then washed it off with soapy water

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/engine10.jpg

This afternoon I had a bit of time to kill while I waited for filler to go off, so I went over the engine with a dremil to brighten it up a bit.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/engine11.jpg

Rocker covers are going to be powdercoated black along with the clutch cover, oil filter cover and the tops of the carbs.
I'm gonna do a bit more to the engine to brighten it up, but I think I might take the heads off, re-seat the valves and polish the inlet ports.

CBRRRT
26-06-2011, 05:08 AM
I gave the seat unit what I hope will be the final fill before I came in, but if it needs another one it will get it.

If alls well tomorrow it will get a last sand, a coat of pva, then, wax on wax off......

LKC73
26-06-2011, 05:43 PM
Mate its looking really good. Cant wait to see the fibreglass work and how it all turns out.

CBRRRT
26-06-2011, 06:21 PM
Thanks fella, this morning a final sand is done and its ready for 3 or 4 coats of pva then lots of waxing

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/final_10.jpg

I know I've posted lots of photos on this part of the seat, but I'm trying to convey the point that it is a process and if you cut corners or rush it then you may be dissapointed with the end result. I'm not saying mine is perfect, but it is at a point where any minor inperfections in the final casting can be got out with body filler.

CBRRRT
26-06-2011, 06:25 PM
I guess also you could adapt my method for building a seat to making your own one off fighter seat, I mean, it dosent have to be this shape after all.

CBRRRT
26-06-2011, 11:16 PM
While the seat is sitting in wax I decided to make a start on rebuilding the heads, so after removing the carbs (4 x 9mm bolts) I popped of the rocker covers.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00416.jpg

The plan is to polish the inlet ports, reseat all the valves and new head gaskets.
For a 30 year old motor I was really pleased to find the barrels were in first class order

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00418.jpg

Apart from a bit of gloop the tops of the pistons look great too.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00419.jpg

The face of the heads need a good clean so thats my next job

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00420.jpg

Just a very light going over with some fine sandpaper is all thats needed, just to remove any old gasket and crud. be carefull not to damage the surface of the head.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00421.jpg

I find it a good idea to keep everything organised so you know what went where and how it goes back together.

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00422.jpg

These are great little engins to learn on because there aint much to them.

CBRRRT
27-06-2011, 02:02 AM
This bit always bores the pants off me

http://i24.servimg.com/u/f24/16/54/85/08/img00423.jpg

Wax on........... Wax off.......... Wax on.......... [V]

Gix11
27-06-2011, 03:31 PM
Mate, not only do you create some great stuff you are the king of build topics! This is great. Keep it up. I just hope this CX doesn't get lost in the CBR topic. Is it too late to start a new topic on this build mate? We can't hide this build from everybody! Anyone searching CX500 builds will miss it, and that's a crime.

CBRRRT
28-06-2011, 07:50 AM
King of build topics, lol. More like Village Idion Si.

Valves are coming out tonight, the inlet valves dont look to bad but the exhaust valves have a build up of carbon. Not the sexy stuff you bolt to your bike, this is the cruddy stuff inside your zorst

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00410.jpg

So youre gonna need some valve spring compressors

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00411.jpg

One of those screw drivers with the magnet is a good idea to get the colets out as they are a bit fiddly.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00412.jpg

As you take them out keep them in order so they go back in the same guides

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00413.jpg

be carefull when you remove the exhaust valves, as sometimes they can get a bit of carbon up the stems and be a bit of a bugger to get out. Dont force them through the guids as you could damage them, just get a small bit of very fine sand paper and remove any deposits and they should drop out.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00414.jpg

All this black stuff has to com off. You can use a wire wheel but keep away from the valve seat

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00415.jpg

Under the black stuff there is white stuff, that has to come off too

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00416.jpg

You should end up with nice clean valves that will perform as they should once they are ground in.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00418.jpg

CBRRRT
28-06-2011, 08:28 AM
The inlet ports were not to bad, but if you run your fonger inside them you can feel the rough texture from when they were sand cast at the factory. Im not building a race bike so I didnt go over the top, but I gave them a good clean up with the Dremil and the polished them.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00421.jpg

Run your finger in there now and they are really smooth

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00422.jpg

Exhaust ports got a decoke too

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00423.jpg

Next I started grinding in the valves, a piss boring job as each one takes about 30 to 40 minutes.
Radio on! brain off!

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00425.jpg

this is how they look when ground in, as you can see the one on the right has a nice flat grey band around the valve and the seat

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00426.jpg

In all I have 7 more to do, but I wont bore you all with that.

Oh and remember to keep the valves, springs and collets in the same sets as you removed the and mark them up so you know where they go back.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00427.jpg

wackyrider
28-06-2011, 09:03 AM
what compound are you using to lap the seats in Jon?

CBRRRT
29-06-2011, 08:00 AM
Its Holts corse and the fine mate.

Ok, so tonight I got in from work and finished off grinding in the other three valves

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00428.jpg

That only took about 2 hours so I decided to revisit the ports and go the extra mile, so I went back in the inlet and exhaust ports and cleaned the up a bit more.

Next I fitted new oil seals for the valve stems, they are a patten part but fit really good

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00429.jpg

valves back in, and the jobs done. Well half done, theres the other head to do yet

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00430.jpg

Kind of a before and after shot here

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00431.jpg

Over all it took me just over 6 hours to refurbish one of the heads so I have about the same to look forward to with the other one. I think I'm gonna have a break from them for a few days and go back to working on my seat unit, then once I've made the seat mould I'll go back and do the other head.

wackyrider
29-06-2011, 10:14 AM
I reckon you could probably also use aluminium oxide to lap them up

CBRRRT
29-06-2011, 03:29 PM
I didnt know that was available in a grinding paste mate. That would make things go a lot quicker for sure.

wackyrider
30-06-2011, 08:16 AM
We use it at work to lap the seats on valves (PSV's). We start off on Alum Oxide, then if u really need a good finish go to the diamond paste, wich actually comes in either green or pink (one finer than the other). The good thing is that the Alum Oxide will prob make life easier for u as t is quite quick to lap up with it.

CBRRRT
30-06-2011, 09:39 AM
I'll take a tub of each matey, lol. Aluminium oxide is great stuff but I've never seen it in paste. I'll google it and see what it chucks up.

Cafe bars arrived today, so I bunged them on. Pics later.

rod185651
30-06-2011, 06:09 PM
Did your son catch the fish?

CBRRRT
30-06-2011, 06:26 PM
Yes mate, and lots more besides. He's 14 now and had some really awesome carp captures and on some lakes done far better than his old man. He's actually a really nice bloke too and we are great friends.

rod185651
30-06-2011, 07:52 PM
Nice one, some of my favourite week-ends as a kid was fishing with my Dad.

CBRRRT
01-07-2011, 08:10 AM
Awesome mate, do you still get out?

Anyway, while I was doing the 2nd head to break up the bordom I took a look over the other parts of the valve system. I niticed the tappet adjusting screws on all the exhaust rockers were either chipped or pitted. the intake side all looked in a1 condition. I dont know why it only affected one side, but they were all replaced with new.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00432.jpg

20 quid for 4 tiny little screws, Sheesh!!!

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00433.jpg

All ground in and back together

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00434.jpg

I'll put them back on at the weekend after I learn how to use my torque wrench, lol. yup Ive had it for a few years now but never used it. Well, how hard can it be.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00435.jpg

Never been more pleased to see something done.

wackyrider
01-07-2011, 08:17 AM
Looking good Jon. I might have to give it a go one day as well. Maybe if I buy a little project bike as well. Prob is I can't afford another rego

CBRRRT
01-07-2011, 03:30 PM
To be honest mate I'm thinking when this is done I'm gonna sell it to fund the next one. My mrs works evenings and I spend most of them on my own. this project has helped to releve the mind crushing boredom I come home to most nights.

CBRRRT
01-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Whats a rego???

xa-mont
01-07-2011, 03:53 PM
registration... it costs us about $500 a year to have our bike registered to ride on the road. (per bike that is)

Fight_fan
01-07-2011, 03:58 PM
quote:Originally posted by xa-mont

registration... it costs us about $500 a year to have our bike registered to ride on the road. (per bike that is)


I wish mine was only $500 [V]

xa-mont
01-07-2011, 04:16 PM
i register my bike/car at my parents house in country vic, so its cheaper! :D

CBRRRT
01-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Holy moley that's outrageous mate, don't what ever you do tell our government mate, they are always looking for new ways to cripple us.

wackyrider
01-07-2011, 08:19 PM
They are mate. I already pay 3. Don't think I can afford a 4th one

CBRRRT
01-07-2011, 10:26 PM
So what if its a project bike you are not going to ride, but do up and sell on. Do you still have to pay that money. And what if you buy a bike then after a couple of weeks decide you hate it, do you have to apply for a refund? All sounds a bit bizarre to me fella.

CBRRRT
02-07-2011, 05:32 AM
Not a huge amount to report tonight.

The waxing is done, and left between coats to dry over night.
This is so it builds up layers of wax that will help the mould seperate from the original plug.

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00436.jpg

One last step before I can start laying on glass and that is to give it two coats of pva.
All pva is, is carpenters white wood glue. It forms a skin over the part and also aids seperation

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/img00437.jpg

Its a milky white now but when it dries should go clear and shiney.

Next I'm gonna be laying on fiberglass to make my seat mould, then paying my mate Porky a visit to borrow his mig welder and do a few frame mods.

CBRRRT
02-07-2011, 06:44 AM
This is my torque wrench, I've had it for a few years but never used it or understood how to read it

But now................

http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/85/08/torque10.jpg

I'm really please because I found out how to read a torque wrench, and it turns out its really easy :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIg54FFByck&feature=related

I love learning new stuff,

Enjoy!!!

Fight_fan
02-07-2011, 08:33 AM
quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

So what if its a project bike you are not going to ride, but do up and sell on. Do you still have to pay that money. And what if you buy a bike then after a couple of weeks decide you hate it, do you have to apply for a refund? All sounds a bit bizarre to me fella.


If its a project bike and its not registered (ie u cant ride it legally) then u pay nothing. But as soon as u want to take it on a public road they start the raping! And yeh, if u buy a bike then decide u hate it n get rid of it u can apply for a refund, but generaly u sell the vehicle with registration so the buyer can ride/drive it too. And in this case u get no refund!

nice work on the seat tho! Lookin forward to seeing the final product!

CBRRRT
02-07-2011, 03:16 PM
And I thought you guys lived in the land of milk and honey.

Over here we pay £30.00 for a government inspection called an M.O.T (Ministry of Transport) this is done at your local bike shop or where ever you like as long as they are registered.

Then you pay road tax on the size of the engine, my blade is £66.00 a year, not sure about the CX yet but it will be cheaper as its a smaller motor.

Shop around for an insurance quote, my blade is £143.00 and your on the road

Total £239.00

More on the seat today matey