CBRRRT's Shed. (Index on page 1.)

[Tomanyprojex]

Jonny boy. The weird handling, what's it like? The rear wheel off the VFR is 17 X 5.5J is exactly the same as the blade so shouldn't really make any difference. Also, depending on chain adjustment the extra length of the SA is only about 30mm which is about 2% change in wheelbase which might slow the steering a bit but you'd have to be Rossi to really notice. The rear ride height changes with the eccentric adjuster on the VFR arm but again its not significant really. If it's turning better one way than the other it could be the 10mm wheel misalignment you get when you stick the VFR back wheel on without a spacer.

Otherwise you could have bent something when you stacked it...

[Tomanyprojex]

Okey dokey here goes. Take off your rear wheel (you would be best to take off the tyre too theoretically, but it's not critical). Stick it on a flat surface - a glass table is perfect but as flat as you can get - hub side up. If you have a height gauge use that to measure the overall height of the wheel rim (or to the top off the tyre). If you haven't got a height gauge you can use an engineers rule (needs to start at 0mm right at the edge) and a square. Divide the measurement by 2. Now measure the height to the mounting surface. The difference between these two measurements is the offset.

In order to calculate the spacer size you need here's a couple of examples for a 40mm offset wheel:

vfr wheel centre line = 90mm (with the tyre on...)
Hub mount face = 80mm
Offset = 10mm
New wheel offset = 40mm
40mm - 10mm = 30mm
VFR wheel requires an 8mm spacer to centre it in the cbr frame so add that
30 + 8mm = 38mm spacer required

vfr wheel centre line = 90mm (with the tyre on...)
Hub mount face = 100mm
Offset = -10mm (negative offset)
New wheel offset = 40mm
40mm - (-)10mm = 50mm (a minus minus a minus is a plus...)
VFR wheel requires an 8mm spacer to centre it in the cbr frame so add that
50 + 8mm = 58mm spacer required

Does this help?

How did you get on with the brakes by the way? If you are still stuck there is one other thing you can try...

[CBRRRT]

Thanks for that Buddy, and the brakes went fantastic. After three hours of fucking around getting nowhere fast Your crackin bit of advice to hang the calipers from the shed roof to alow the air to rise rather than try to push it down the hoses worked a dream. I had fluid in the hoses within a couple of minutes, and then left them for half an hour for any more air to rise. I then bled it off and fitted the calipers back onto the forks and gave them another quick bleed to get out any last remaining air still trapped and tightened up. Pumped the brake lever and within a few pumps everything was spot on. I took it out for a road test today matey and it feels so much better with the new hoses on.

Thanks for the top bit of advice Mike and getting me out of the shit once again, lol.

Your a top bloke mate even for a Frenchman.

France 1
England 0

Cheers buddy, look forward to seeing you at the Ace Cafe some time soon.

[Tomanyprojex]

Happy days matey. Have fun..

[CBRRRT]

I found a company on the interweb the other week that do break lines that can be assembeled at home and it got me thinking.

Hmmmmmmm!!!

How nice would it look if I had my rear line going through my swing arm??

How nice??

Well I reckon fuckin nice!!

So I went about ordering the bits I needed from Venhill lines from Dorking in Surrey and had a chat with a verry nice lady called Caroline and she put me right on all the bits I would need.

The first thing she told me I didnt know was that the pitch on the banjo bolts for a Honda is 1.25mm, I never knew that, did you?

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252145640.jpg


Anyway, at the rear of the arm in just about the perfect spot there is a little tab that was just begging for a hole to be drilled through it. Up the other end there is another one..... wee will come back to that one later.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252159391.jpg


So I gave it a jab with a spikey thing called a spikey thing and gave my self a mark to drill

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252098278.jpg


Now Im guessing that there is a two box section in the arm because the drill only went in about 50mm, but that said there is loads of room to wiggle the new line through.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252170744.jpg


Now then, after thinking about it I thought it might be wise to remove the shock as there are two holes each side of it I may be able to use to get a pull through up the inside of the arm, and also to turn the line out of the arm and up to the master cylinder.

So I did just that,

I took out the shock.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252156164.jpg

[CBRRRT]

Removing the shock gave me a better angle to drill the hole at the top end of the arm.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252166344.jpg


First thing I did was shove a bit of wire through the first hole I drilled at the bottom of the arm and push it through to the hole on the left of where the shock would normally be.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252172604.jpg


Then I taped a length of string to it and pulles it through. I then got the same bit of wire and bent it to a hook shape and and pushed it through the hole to the right of where the shock would be, and fished about untill I found the string and then pulled it through.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252089033.jpg


My front break lines were factory made both ends, but I had just one end of the rear line factory made to make it easier to get through the arm.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252136492.jpg

[CBRRRT]

Anyway, back to the top tab. It was a fucker to drill, much harder than the bottom one so I stuck my finger in the side hole to the right of the shock and found at the point where the tab was it wasnt hollow. FUCKER!!!

Never mind, I'll sort that out later. I drilled a hole just below it.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252077706.jpg


Next I tied the string to the line and covered it in tape to make it pull through without snagging as it went up the inside of the swing arm.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252134007.jpg


And started pulling

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252111282.jpg




http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252140207.jpg


untill it came out the other end

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252108167.jpg


Now that wasnt hard to do now was it!?

[CBRRRT]

Its really difficult to get an accurate length for the rear line so when I placed my order with Venhill I made sure the line was over long, so I had one made up to 1200mm

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252135490.jpg


While I had the caliper offski I thought I would give it another lick of paint, so gave it a really good clean and then three coats of paint.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252141929.jpg


I then attached the rear of the line making sure I used new washers on both sides of the new banjo bolt.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252166698.jpg


I then went about getting the length of the line right.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252168601.jpg


I could have come round the front of the zorst, but I thought by going round the back I could put a coil in the line and when the swing arm is bouncing around it would absorb some of the boing.

[Tomanyprojex]

Farking sweet. Nice job wonder boy!

And yes I did know they were 1.25mm, Ducati are 1mm, blah blah....

[CBRRRT]

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252169486.jpg


Its a bit easier to see what I mean from a slightly different angle.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252105429.jpg


The outside of the steel braid has a clear plastic coat on it that has to be removed, about 25mm, to get the outside fitting over the line. Then about 4 to 5mm of steel braid was snipped off with some electrical side cutters so the olive would slip over the teflon inner tube.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252076351.jpg


Once it was all made up I just went round the end with a little black tape so it looked like the factory made ends.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252167135.jpg


And the jobs a good-un.

I'm gonna wait to bleed the line as I have a nice billet res on its was from my slit eyed little friends in Hong Kong.

I'll take some more photos once the rear wheel and hugger is back on, but I'm sure its gonna neaten up the arm no end.

[CBRRRT]

If you are thinking of doing the same and you want to use Venhill lines checkout their web site at

http://www.venhill.co.uk/

Well worth a look and they are "reet neece folk"

[CBRRRT]

quote:Originally posted by Tomanyprojex

Farking sweet. Nice job wonder boy!

And yes I did know they were 1.25mm, Ducati are 1mm, blah blah....


Lol, more like BLUNDER BOY Mike, I make it all up as I go along mate.

Did you see the new bike show on Discovery Turbo Wednesday? It was all about the Honda corperation, last night it was all about Ducati, and its on again tonight. Check it out mate, its called Twist the throtle and its on at 9pm.

[Tomanyprojex]

Looks brilliant. I'll definitely check that show out too matey.

[CBRRRT]

Thanks Buddy, means a lot comming from you mate.

[holyman_999]

Mate, that's looking shit hot!!!

Each time i see this thread it makes me want to get stuck into mine... I wonder what kinda SSSA would fit my ol' girl?[:p]

Good job keeping us all motivated dude!!! :D

hi johnathan,very nice work wait till u see what im doing with my brake line............will put up photos when i have it done..................

[CBRRRT]

Awww fuck Griff! you cant do stuff like that mate. Its wrong wrong wrong to keep me wondering, its just fuckin with my head. So come on Niel, you can tell me, you know I wont tell anyone mate. Honest!!!

[CBRRRT]

quote:Originally posted by holyman_999

Mate, that's looking shit hot!!!

Each time i see this thread it makes me want to get stuck into mine... I wonder what kinda SSSA would fit my ol' girl?[:p]

Good job keeping us all motivated dude!!! :D


Cheers buddy, I have a few more bits and bobs in the pipeline over the next few months including the car wheel conversion.

Look at this bad boy

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252095010.jpg


[8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D]

[Fight_fan]

Fuckinell John! U have been a busy boy! Love what u'v done with the brake line hey, looks trick as!
That car wheel should be the dogs bollox I rekon! Keep it up mate!

[CBRRRT]

Thanks Lance me boy, I'm also lovin the 7-11 mate and looking forward to seeing it all finished.

[holyman_999]

quote:

Look at this bad boy

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252095010.jpg


[8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D]





Holy Fuck!!! That'll look brilliant!!!!

[CBRRRT]

Thanks mate.

I just found these on ebay if anyone is interested just follow the link below

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252268489.jpg


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180403669002&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

very nice wheel mate,i'm getting a chain guard made similar to whats on it now,but out of 8mm pipe,and the brake line will be hidden inside it,have to say i love your idea through the swingarm.was afraid to do that in case the swingarm weakened...........nice work mate,keep em coming............

[CBRRRT]

Ha ha, with all the other holes I drilled in it to fit the rear hugger mate I thought "What the fuck" two more cant hurt. Famous last words, lol.

You had me wondering mate, I thought you were gonna go with a stainless solid tube, like on cars, but with flexable ends. And have it all on show.

Cant wait to see what you are gonna do though mate. Errr! but then thats the whole point, init, I aint gonna see it ha ha.

[FIGHTERMC]

Jonathan mate i just sent you a pm
thanks for the favour you done for me mate.
rgds
Frank.

[CBRRRT]

No worries Buddy, always welcome Frank.

[CBRRRT]

I'm a fiddler! I know, and I cant help it. So when I looked at the rear break master cylinder res I thought "Jonny Boy" Thats me, CBRRRT! So, I thought Jonny Boy, you can do better than that!

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252804683.jpg


Now I know you should use a special clear tube to do this to your break system or the tube starts to sweat and go off colour, but it was so easy to do I thought what the fuck, when it does I'll just replace it.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252854848.jpg


I also got this little billet jobby from ebay to neaten up the front. I'm thinkin a bit of clear tube in there too would look better as well.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252816765.jpg


Oh, and I dumped the heat shields on the zorst cans and ground off the mounting brackets, painted them, and reattached the suxy little Yoshi HRC badges.

See! I told you I was a fiddler, didnt I.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252827240.jpg

[HueyonaBlade]

You have been a busy little Beaver havn't you![:p] Not so sure about the painted end caps on the zorst though mate , perhaps if all the body work was the same colour , ay? , ay? ,ay?[:0]

[CBRRRT]

I have plans to change the body colour in the near future Dave and they look far better in real life than in the photo mate. The en caps were painted with the same paint as the rear caliper, and with the cans being gloss black like the rear wheel, I thing it pulls it all together.

What you been up to with your Killa Blade Buddy? cant wait to get a look at it.

Anyway, me and my boy are on the Air Ambulance run today, and its the 10th anneversary so we are expecting about 3,000 bikes in my Home town of Harwich today.

Should be good. Photos to follow.

[FIGHTERMC]

looking good there jonathan mate.

[Harry]

ay jon,i can remember when you did'nt want to take the fairying off!.......she's look'in good you fiddler you :).
when does the obession stop[:0]
dont answer that jon ;)

[CBRRRT]

Fairing Harry!!!, I think you've got the wrong guy Mr. I for one would'nt be see dead with a fairing

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1252933071.jpg


Pfffffha!!

[Harry]

you look like a happy fuk'a in that mate :D and why would'nt ya be!
have you painted the header's or is that wat the english weather does to em ??[:0]

[CBRRRT]

Lol, painted them matey, to match my jacket ha ha!!!

[CBRRRT]

Oh, and Harry, the obsession never stops mate.

[Harry]

HA,bullshit ...but funny:) iv just been back to page twenty in here and get stuck reading the international interlude on there Bahaaaaaaaaa funny shit:D
quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

Lol, painted them matey, to match my jacket ha ha!!!

[CBRRRT]

I forgot all about that Harry, so I went back and had a little read myself. Made me chuckle too matey boy, lol.

[Papabear]

CBRRRT,
I have been away for a while but I love the continued progress. Nice work on the rear brake line. When I looked at me piece I thought of the same thing. I also like the knuckle gages nice piece. Cont the thinkering. Great job.

[CBRRRT]

Cheers Buddy, and you know what, I figure if I can do it then anyone can because I aint no mechanic mate, but I do like to have a go.

Good to see you back, just dont leave it so long next time matey.

[houdini]

hey john any sign of me ol mudgaurd
no panic
p.s i got some new kit for my blade all to revealed soon

[CBRRRT]

Mate, I sent it last friday, I know there have been postal strikes but you should have had it by now. Let me have a word and see what I can find out.

[CBRRRT]

Houdini, I just had a word and it did go last friday, but they did say with the postal strike it could take up to two weeks to get there mate.

[CBRRRT]

I just brought this from ebay. Might look good on and its gotta be an improvement on that fuckin hidious effort I made a few pages back.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253609653.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253585579.jpg


I found one on ebay someone else had fitted lights into and touught "I can do that"

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253599881.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253591495.jpg


I dont think I'll be able to see very far up the road with it but who gives a fuck, just as long as it looks good eh!!

[CBRRRT]

Here is something worth posting. A couple of weeks ago I changed my front break lines for steel braided jobbies from Venhill. I bled off the old fluid and stripped off the old lines, then fitted the new ones. That was easy enough. I then filled the master cylinder res and tried to bleed the new hoses through. Three hours later and I'm getting a bit fucked off because what ever I try, nothing!

After a bit more baldy head scratchin I made a call to tomanyprojex and he advised me to take off the calipers from the forks and hang them above the res. As it turns out its easier to pump the air up and out rather than down. So within a few minutes the oil was bled through. Top marks to Mike.

I reattached the calipers and gave them another quick bleed and job, jobbed!

So anyway, I dont know if you are planning to do this job yourself, but with TMP's advice it should go a little easier.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253693964.jpg

[CBRRRT]

These are a few bikes that caught my eye at Streetfighters straightliners the other weekend at North Weild

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253693953.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253654881.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1253730037.jpg


Superb day!

[CBRRRT]

Me and my son Nick out for a little rip

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254642784.jpg


As you can see he is not enjoying it one little bit.

[FIGHTERMC]

quote:Originally posted by CBRRRT

Me and my son Nick out for a little rip

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254453112.jpg


As you can see he is not enjoying it one little bit.

ya i can see that jonathan LOL.

[CBRRRT]

Ha ha, he loves it Frank. We went out 10 o'clock Monday night and took a ride along the coast road. It was really warm and a superb night, the ships at sea were all lit up and so was the docks on the other side of the estury. It was one of those times when you could just ride all night, but I had work the next day and the little dude had school, so it all ended a bit to soon. He has asked for a leather jacket like mine with urban jeans and motocross boots. A hooligan in the making mate. When I told his mum she just rolled her eyes and gave a deep sigh. I think she gave up long ago mate, lol.
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254457716.gif

[80s freak]

it's in the genes, mate. She's lookin great.

[CBRRRT]

You're not wrong there mate, my Dad had a BSA Starfire, among other bikes. He used to take me out on the back and I'm sure that is when I got bitten by the bike bug. I've taken my Nick on some of the same runs my Dad took me on, and it felt really special matey. My Bro also has had a few bikes in his time, but he is more into renovating the old Jap clasics now. So I guess your right mate, it wont be long before Nick will be out and about tearing up the highway on his first 125cc with his chin on the tank and his feet on the rear foot pegs trying to get that 2 mph extra.

Bin there, done that, lol.

[Gix11]

Teeth through the visor hole, now that's enjoying yourself! Awesome photo Jon, cheers mate, made my night.

[CBRRRT]

Cheers Si, I think his blood group is the same as mine mate "B-SF Pos" ha ha.:D
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1254474467.jpg

[dingo]

awsome pic :D my oldest has been hounding me to take him for a ride, i left it as 2 seater, just need some rear pegs.
your son sure looks proud :D
been following your build to, very nice work[8D]

[CBRRRT]

Get him on there mate, I'm sure you'll be his hero. I have been tempted to put a single seat on mine a couple of times, but I went for the best of both worlds. It only takes a minute or two to bolt the pegs on and swap the pod for a seat. Glad you enjoyed the build so far dingo, there are a few more things in the pipe line. I'm working on my new Preditor front lamp at the moment, and painted it up last night, and I am still in the process of sorting the car rear wheel conversion so keep watching mate.

[blaa]

Hello,

Ive read your thread about yuor awsome cbr!

I try to find a rear wheel for my conversion to sssa.

I read that you used a 5.5 wheel.

Was this wheel from a VFR? i like the look of the rim its not to round as the origin is on the vfr 750.

I like the look of the VFR 400 wheel... but thoes that wheel fit? will it be to thin for a 180 rubber?


Best regards Björn Nilsson // Sweden.

[CBRRRT]

Hi Mate, and welcome to the most awsome Streetfighting site on the planet.

The Single sided swing arm I used was from a 1996 VFR 750 and has the same shock linkage as the CBR 900.

If you go to page one of this thread there is an index that will help you to find out the information you need.

Now to the wheel.

The wheel I used was from a 1993 VFR and it is a 5.5J, the reason I used the 5.5J is that I can put up to a 190 section tyre on it, although at the moment I have a 180 on it.

This winter I will be changing out the rear wheel and fitting longer studs, a spacer, and a car wheel. Loads of the lads from Ireland have done the conversion and it looks fantastic mate.

Thanks for taking an interest in my thread mate, and be sure to pop back now and then.

Regards,

Jon. :D

[blaa]

Thank you for fast reply!

Im bidding on a 94 swingarm and brake caliper on ebay its ending tonight.
But its hard to find a wheel

If you want to sell the 1993 VFR 5.5J im a potential buyer.


Regards BB

[CBRRRT]

You can use a VFR 800 wheel, but it may need a little work on it first as the disc rotor stud heads need a little room. This means milling out four small sections on the back of the wheel, but as its only ally you could use a router with a straight cutting bit.

I will be selling my rear wheel mate, but not before me Porky and Crash have done a bit of tyre destroying down the local lorry park, lol. we'er just waiting for a mate to come back from his honeymoon so he can vidio the whole sordid thing.

[blaa]

Sweet!

Please email me when your done burning rubber!

[CBRRRT]

How about sticking on some photos of your Blade mate!! Be good to see what you guys in swedaland are up to Fella.

[blaa]

Sure il crack some photos tomorrow!

Just got one from the day i got "her" with my big smile and headlight on.

[blaa]

http://i38.tinypic.com/263aijo.jpg

[blaa]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2rm0acx.jpg

[blaa]

http://i34.tinypic.com/30acpwx.jpg

[blaa]

http://i33.tinypic.com/4j012g.jpg

[blaa]

Enjoy :D

1. Sssa
2. New paint job all black ind red stripes
3. Thinking of barkbusters...

Well i got all winter to play

[blaa]

Sorry mate, maybe i shouldnt posted them here. il erase them after you looked at them.

[CBRRRT]

That is totally bitchin mate [8D]
I love that front lamp, whats it from?
The seat you have mounted mate looks ace t:D:D.

Lots of Blades on here my friend, so you wont be
short of help if you get stuck at any time ;)

Dude, is the wire that runs up the fork leg a speedo?
If so what one did you use, as I'm looking to change mine also.

When you change your swing arm mate, you might want to think
about dumping your coolant expansion tank, because if you
decide to do it at a later time you'll need to take out your shock
to do it. I changed mine for a suxy little ally bottle I got
off ebay [^]

Venhill do break lines you can assemble your self, if you want to run it
through your swing arm. But hold that thought untill Griff comes clean with what he is
up to mate, ha ha.

Make sure you start a thread on here mate and keep us
up to date with what you are doing, oh and dont forget
lots and lots of photos.

The only swedish I know is what I learned from the chef
on the Muppets show, so here goes mate.

"Inger dinger duuu" :D

[CBRRRT]

quote:Originally posted by blaa

Sorry mate, maybe i shouldnt posted them here. il erase them after you looked at them.




No mate please keep them on here, they are superb.
I think of this thread like my workshop mate, its good
to see mates drop in for a chat and show what they have
been up to. You are welcome to post as many as you like.

[blaa]

Il start a new thread tomorrow,

The wire is for a Koso like this one http://www.blocket.se/halland/Streetfighter_hastighetsmatare_med_mera_23192802.h tm?ca=11&w=3

The Lamp is from a Yamaha MT 03 http://mt03.info/pics/mt03.jpg

Your fuckin holarius dude!

Thank you for all cool input, this will be a great x-mas for me :)

[blaa]

Thanks mate!

This is thread is inspiring!

You are hell of a craftman!

[CBRRRT]

Dude you wouldnt say that if you saw the fuckin horrible
front lamp I made from fibreglass [:I]
I'm just lucky the piss taking bastards on here ripped me a
new arse hole before it went on for good, lol.

I fucked up big time on that one mate, ha ha.

Really looking forward to seeing your progress mate, "Fight on"

[Tomanyprojex]

Ha ha, made me grin just thinking about that headlight surround....

Nice fighter blaa. And welcome mate...

[CBRRRT]

Where you bin Mike, havent seen you lately?

[Tomanyprojex]

Working like a c@nt... Business is hard at the moment so I've been all over the place trying to pull in some new work. Skint as well, so work has had to stop for a bit on all my projects which is a f@cker. Hopefully getting a bit better now and coz the weather is likely to go to shite soon I won't be able to do any work on the van, so I'll be able to spend time on the fighter over winter.

[houdini]

nice blade blaa
welcome

[blaa]

LoL, Well craft man and designer aint the same :P

Dint want to remind you about the lamp :)

Thank you houdini!

Im getting my sssa in the days, i managed to get a wheel to from vfr -90

I payed 4800:- Swe kr its like 450 GBP.

What is that compared what you guys payed for yours?

[CBRRRT]

Holy crap blaa, thats expencive mate. I paid £120.00 for my arm and £100.00 for my rear wheel. I also sold a sssa to a guy in germany for £80,00 a while back. perhaps you should take a look at ebay uk for parts mate.

[blaa]

My freakin ass is hurting.....

[CBRRRT]

Anyone in the Eu interested, I have just listed my VFR 750 rear wheel and tyre on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250516377630&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
Its only just gone on so garb a bargain

[blaa]

Hey,

Which material did you use for the 20*20*25 spacer ?

Does this piece experience any kind of force?

I have given it some though but coulndt come up with any reasons why it should?

[CBRRRT]

Hi mate, it was alluminium, and its been in there for about a year and showing no signs of wear. I would highly recomend you make the spacer 35mm long as I used dims I found on the net and it came up about 10mm short when fitted.

Hope that helps Buddy.

Regards

Jon

[blaa]

Thank you!

did you make a 35mm long at once or did you use the shorter one?
What is the symphtoms if the spacer is to short?

So dim. 35mm long 20mm inner 25mm outside?

Did i get that right?

Best regards Björn

[CBRRRT]

no mate I fitted the short one and thats when I found the pivot bolt went just a bit to far through.

And yes you did get it right 35mm long, 20mm inner, 25mm outside.

If you go to page one on my thread mate, you will find an index. From there you can go to the swing arm conversion and see for your self from the photos.

Anything else I can do to help mate just let me know.

[Tomanyprojex]

You need to be careful with making the spacer too long. I made mine 32mm and the nut won't go far enough onto the pivot bolt to be safe.... I need to whip it off and cut it down a bit...

[CBRRRT]

I guess they all must be a little different mike because my bolt goes to far through and sticks out the other side.

[CBRRRT]

Anyway, I was having a little mooch around on the web and came across these.

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1256108444.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1256116514.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1256114374.jpg


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1256104050.jpg


There is more info at the web site below and a couple of little vids to look at too.

http://www.micro.talktalk.net/

I thought they looked really cool stubbies.

[CBRRRT]

quote:Originally posted by Tomanyprojex

Okey dokey here goes. Take off your rear wheel (you would be best to take off the tyre too theoretically, but it's not critical). Stick it on a flat surface - a glass table is perfect but as flat as you can get - hub side up. If you have a height gauge use that to measure the overall height of the wheel rim (or to the top off the tyre). If you haven't got a height gauge you can use an engineers rule (needs to start at 0mm right at the edge) and a square. Divide the measurement by 2. Now measure the height to the mounting surface. The difference between these two measurements is the offset.

In order to calculate the spacer size you need here's a couple of examples for a 40mm offset wheel:

vfr wheel centre line = 90mm (with the tyre on...)
Hub mount face = 80mm
Offset = 10mm
New wheel offset = 40mm
40mm - 10mm = 30mm
VFR wheel requires an 8mm spacer to centre it in the cbr frame so add that
30 + 8mm = 38mm spacer required

vfr wheel centre line = 90mm (with the tyre on...)
Hub mount face = 100mm
Offset = -10mm (negative offset)
New wheel offset = 40mm
40mm - (-)10mm = 50mm (a minus minus a minus is a plus...)
VFR wheel requires an 8mm spacer to centre it in the cbr frame so add that
50 + 8mm = 58mm spacer required

Does this help?

How did you get on with the brakes by the way? If you are still stuck there is one other thing you can try...



Hey Mike, perhaps you can help me with this. I just took out my shoch and took a dim from inside frame to inside frame at the lower sub-frame mount assuming that half the measurment would be the centre of the frame and the centre line of the bike.

Anyway it was 252mm from side to side. 126mm to the centre, ok so far! I then placed a long steel straight edge on the face of my hub up to the centre line I established and it sat 13mm to the right of centre.

Can I work out my spacer size from that or do I really need to do the centre of the tyre thing you detail above.

[blaa]

HEY!

Today i recieved my -96 sssa and a -90 wheel all from VFR 750 do i need to make any more spacers than the one i have for the swingarmpivot to center the wheel?

Will it auto center?

Thank you for great advices!

[blaa]

Is it the adjusting bolt that will go to long in if the spacer is to short?

[CBRRRT]

Yes mate it is. It sticks out to far the other side of the frame.

[Tomanyprojex]

It's probably not far out Jon. I already built a rough jig to find out how far the wheels were out of line so I knew what basic offset I needed, so I could make a spacer. Then I worked it out the way I did because the centre of the wheel is ALWAYS in the bike centre line. - That's not always true of the centre of the frame. Even working out the centre of the frame can be a bit tricky coz they are often not symmetrical.

Blaa the rear wheel needs an 8mm ish spacer to put it in line with the front. I say 8mm ish because the difference from one frame to another is bigger than you might expect...

[blaa]

Any tip on how to get exact?

How do i measure?

Paint on the front wheel drive a meter or two and check if it lines up? :D

[blaa]

Hub mount face = 100mm

100mm from where?

[CBRRRT]

Tomanyprojex bit
In order to calculate the spacer size you need here's a couple of examples for a 40mm offset wheel:

vfr wheel centre line = 90mm (with the tyre on...)
Hub mount face = 80mm
Offset = 10mm
New wheel offset = 40mm
40mm - 10mm = 30mm
VFR wheel requires an 8mm spacer to centre it in the cbr frame so add that
30 + 8mm = 38mm spacer required

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My bit

OK Mike, I did what you said and laid the tyre flat and this is what I found.

Overall wheel width = 184mm (With the tyre on)
So = 92mm to the centre of the VFR wheel
I then laid the straight edge on top of the tyre and measured down to the hub face = 110mm
so that is 18mm past centre. This 18mm is my offset???????
If that is the case then new wheel offset = 40mm - 18mm = 22mm + 8mm spacer to centre VFR wheel, so new spacer is 30mm???

Is that correct Mike, coz my fuckin head is about to implode mate!!![xx(]

Is this how you did it FIGHTER MC, Griff???????

[CBRRRT]

quote:Originally posted by blaa

Hub mount face = 100mm

100mm from where?


Edge of tyre blaa

[blaa]

Right side or left side seen from behind?

[blaa]

Jon,

How big spacer did you use with your vfr wheel on?

Rock on dude!

hi johnathan,the blade is stripped,i measured both spacers,the 2 together are 350 mm,first spacer is 150 and bigger one is 200mm,will have to measure the bolts for u again,cant remember what length they were.i had to get honda civic drag bolts and cut them down,they were very easy also to put in.The other option u can do is get slightly smaller plates and use the origional bolts,its up to you.Sending my forks off tomorrow to get 2 billet yokes made......cant wait to have my blade built,will post photos shortly......

[Tomanyprojex]

Jon, assuming that the hub face is facing up
the hub face height from the floor is 74mm (184 - 110mm)
Existing offset is 92 - 74mm = 18mm
New offset is 40mm
Spacer requirement = 40 -18 = 22mm
Original spacer to centre VFR wheel = 8mm
New spacer = 22 + 8mm = 30mm

Jon you are a genius.....

Only health warning is that frames vary a bit so the 8mm might be different on your bike. Shouldn't be too far out though.