Hillsy's ZX9R so far..... [Archive] - Aussie Streetfighters

Hillsy

20-07-2006, 11:13 AM

You're right Chalk - I plan to fighter it. It was just easier and cheapest to plastic weld the panels and slap it back together as close to stock as possible to get it through the WOVR inspection and Safety Cert without any hassles - which it pretty well did.

But now I'm in two minds - do I fighter it or sell it as is like Fimp says and start on another???......

fimpBIKES

20-07-2006, 07:15 PM

what are other ones on bikepoint selling for?

Hillsy

21-07-2006, 09:09 AM

Just had a look in BikePoint and BikeSales...they're selling from $8,500 (private) through to $11,000 (dealer). Bearing in mind that I repaired the fairings myself (1st attempt at plastic welding - so they're not perfect) and quickly painted them with spray cans....I'm thinking it would be worth somewhere between $5-6K ???

Hillsy

15-08-2006, 09:16 AM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/5141782517547.jpg
Some progress...decided to keep the ZX9 and bought one of these

Hillsy

15-08-2006, 09:18 AM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/51417825228943.jpg

Which would look OK except for the poxy brackets....

Hillsy

15-08-2006, 09:20 AM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/51417825198499.jpg
So I made some out of alloy plate...curved them around a bit under the front....and added the stock indicators

Hillsy

15-08-2006, 09:23 AM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/5141782524018.jpg

And here's a close up....Next up is to get rid of the clip-ons, get an undertail, do something about that bloated front guard...it never ends, does it?

Iceman

15-08-2006, 11:37 AM

I think you'll find, no matter how much you do there's always something else that could be improved. That half the fun, the possibilities are endless.

Hillsy

15-08-2006, 11:57 AM

quote:Originally posted by Iceman

I think you'll find, no matter how much you do there's always something else that could be improved. That half the fun, the possibilities are endless.

Oh yeah - me no complain...it's all good!

Slingblade

15-08-2006, 05:48 PM

That was alot of bike for that money. Good buy. You made the right decision on keeping it. Those kwaka nine motors are awesome.

Matt

15-08-2006, 06:23 PM

Lookin good!

15-08-2006, 06:53 PM

hey i have one of those headlights i just put on too. do you find the headlights flicker a bit at idle? it goes away once youre rolling but they go a bit weird at idle. and i have the brackets angled down a bit. and am about to hit em with the matt black[:p]

Hillsy

15-08-2006, 09:24 PM

quote:Originally posted by pt

hey i have one of those headlights i just put on too. do you find the headlights flicker a bit at idle? it goes away once youre rolling but they go a bit weird at idle. and i have the brackets angled down a bit. and am about to hit em with the matt black[:p]

I haven't actually ridden it at night yet (only got the wiring finished last night), but just having it idling on the sidestand it doesn't seem to flicker. Maybe it's a vibration thing with yours (??).
Those brackets will look heaps better black - which was what I originally had in mind, but I had some alloy laying around so I made plates to hide the wiring (there's a fair bit on the ZX9).

TurboKat

15-08-2006, 10:06 PM

Good decision Hillsy, welcome to the world of excess horsepower - Team Green

addilack

16-08-2006, 02:45 PM

where did you get your headlight? or is it the acerbis one and im just not seeing it? And congrats on a well made purchase!

dane_ra

16-08-2006, 09:14 PM

Looking good Hillsy!

Mate pulling that headlight unit as close to the forks as possible is definitely the way to go, gives the front end a really solid look.

That mod is on my list of things to do, I haven't got much room to move mine in, but anything would be better than the long mounts that are on there now.

Keep up the good work mate.[:p]

Hillsy

16-08-2006, 09:47 PM

quote:Originally posted by addilack

where did you get your headlight? or is it the acerbis one and im just not seeing it? And congrats on a well made purchase!

Hi addilack, got it off EBAY from a guy in Bris for $60 buy it now. Did a search for "streetfighter" and up it popped. It's a TopGun item - most bike / accessory shops would probably be able to get one too.

Thanks for all the cool comments guys - cant wait to get more mods happenning.

vtr420

16-08-2006, 10:38 PM

quote:Originally posted by addilack

where did you get your headlight? or is it the acerbis one and im just not seeing it? And congrats on a well made purchase!

Its not the acerbis one ..

Looking the goods but cant wait to fighter my 250

brrrt brrrrrrrrt:D

newf fighter

17-08-2006, 01:58 AM

I had the same light on my CBR. The connectors to the light sockets crack off from the vibration of hard riding and shitty roads pretty fast. If I had it back I'd of bought a different dual light setup.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v514/BigGreenMachine/CBR/Picture475.jpg

FIGHTERMC

17-08-2006, 04:49 AM

Have to agree with newf i had the same on my
blade and the light was shit and the connector wires snapped off.

FIGHTERMC

18-08-2006, 03:43 AM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/4693359291789.jpg

I ordered this one today for my R1 it was
137 sterling but the light will be good out of it
cos here in ireland the weather aint that good
so i need a good headlight fairing and the one
that i had on the blade just don't cut it for me.

strawb09

19-08-2006, 05:50 AM

hey mate, ur z`s lookin great. i have an acerbis setup similar 2 urs, but it has bad lights 4 nite, thats why i bought the newie. dunno if u can mod the bulbs or s`thin? keep the progres pic~s comin:)

Gix11

19-08-2006, 11:01 AM

What the fuck are you doing up at 5am on a Saturday Strawb?

strawb09

19-08-2006, 04:48 PM

i have 2 start work at 6-7am, and work is an hr away. so it`s a bit hard 2 sleep in saturdays dammit!!!!!ok by sunday tho!

strawb09

19-08-2006, 04:50 PM

oh, put the yoshi on this morn, sweeeet! havent cut it down yet. bought it off puppet and yep....it fits;)

Hillsy

28-08-2006, 09:45 AM

Ahhhh...that's better. Got the crosser bars mounted - heaps more comfy!

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/286940310143008.jpg

Hillsy

28-08-2006, 09:46 AM

Here's how it looks from the top

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/286940310139812.jpg

Hillsy

28-08-2006, 09:49 AM

The zx9 front hose was a one piece affair which couldn't be extended, so I found an early zx6 hose that was a bolt up type. Put a longer top hose on and she bolted straight on - even the mounting holes for the splitter matched (!!)

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/28694031097687.jpg

Hillsy

28-08-2006, 09:51 AM

Hmmm......it's just begging for shorty can now....

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/286940310141863.jpg

WATEVR

30-08-2006, 12:58 PM

hillsy just bought one of those headlight units for the zx7r just wondering if you wired the low beam to the centre set and the high beam to the outer two?

Hillsy

30-08-2006, 01:16 PM

quote:Originally posted by WATEVR

hillsy just bought one of those headlight units for the zx7r just wondering if you wired the low beam to the centre set and the high beam to the outer two?

Yep, I did that. The inner ones are brighter and more spotlight-ish and the outer ones are more diffused / floodlight. Having said that, the lights aren't real bright, though.
The headlight switch on the ZX9 will only run one set for either hi or lo-beam, but the pass switch on the left switch-block will run both sets. Don't know if you'll run into the same problem with your ZX7.
I'm going to have a play around with the wiring loom to try and get both sets on with the hi-beam switch.

Anyone got a wiring diagram for a 2000 ZX9?

30-08-2006, 08:34 PM

yep i've got one and dide the same. i was thinking of having all four on at high beam but couldnt be arsed. i "think" you'd have to split the high beam wire and have both a high beam and low beam wire wired to the inner ones and just the high beam wire to the outer ones. might fry something but thats how i figured it :)

30-08-2006, 10:54 PM

shouldnt fry anyting,they're all 12 volt,just different watt globes,just run a twin filament globe on the lights that need high and low beam.

31-08-2006, 01:16 PM

but do they have twin filament downlights? i think not and thats where the problems begin[xx(][V]

Hillsy

31-08-2006, 01:39 PM

I think you're right pt - you can only get single filament bulbs for these suckers. Here's a link to the parts list:

http://www.topgunglobal.com.au/catalogue/05-5-00s.pdf

Scroll down to the last item - that's the replacement bulb.

I'm going to try and have a muck around with linking the pass switch to the hi-beam switch. It's got to be a simple wire swap / link.

31-08-2006, 02:37 PM

Have you guys thought about the draw on you're systems by running 4 headlights at once?

Hillsy

31-08-2006, 02:58 PM

quote:Originally posted by chalk10

Have you guys thought about the draw on you're systems by running 4 headlights at once?

They're pretty small lights compared to the stocker - and proportionately piss-weak to boot. I don't think they would draw any more current than the standard ZX9 lights.

31-08-2006, 03:17 PM

I'd be checking it out, because even those down lights are 50 Watt (and still piss-weak), which is only 5 Watt less than a standard low beam. Plus they only run one at a time, meaning a maximum draw of 65 Watt (on high beam) you guys are talking about running 4x50 = 200 Watts, that's a lot of juice.
I'm not that sure about the latest electrical systems, but in the 80's the first thing you did when getting a bike was replace the standard 55/60 W bulb with a 90/110 W. Any more than that though and you're electrics would play up and eventually die (and some did with the 110 W).
And a 110 really fuggin lights up the night.

Hillsy

31-08-2006, 03:19 PM

quote:Originally posted by chalk10

I'd be checking it out, because even those down lights are 50 Watt (and still piss-weak), which is only 5 Watt less than a standard low beam. Plus they only run one at a time, meaning a maximum draw of 65 Watt (on high beam) you guys are talking about running 4x50 = 200 Watts, that's a lot of juice.
I'm not that sure about the latest electrical systems, but in the 80's the first thing you did when getting a bike was replace the standard 55/60 W bulb with a 90/110 W. Any more than that though and you're electrics would play up and eventually die (and some did with the 110 W).
And a 110 really fuggin lights up the night.

Hmmm.....will check this out just in case. Thanks Chalk

Hillsy

31-08-2006, 03:48 PM

Just found out from the manufacturer - all the bulbs are 20W, so this will not be a problem for hi-beam power (80W max)......but it also explains why the light is fairly crap.

bluemk1

31-08-2006, 08:14 PM

another reason why they would be so crap is because the stockers are designed with better reflective glass and better angled than the cheap aftermarket ones.

cammy9r

01-09-2006, 07:04 PM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/913768311284455.JPG

There should be no prob with current draw on the zx9r (E1 model) as they have 2 head lights. 2 60W full beam and 2 55W dipped as standard.
Hillsy, get the diagram before it gets resized :D this way you can still read it.

fimpBIKES

01-09-2006, 08:13 PM

wow, thats a REALLY good wiring diagram

wish i had a colour one for the tiller

Hillsy

01-09-2006, 10:08 PM

Unreal!....thanks Cammy

Hillsy

01-10-2006, 09:35 PM

Ahh....more progress....

After spending what seemed like an eternity trying to find a donor end can that was cheap enough to cut up and shorten, I ended up getting a car muffler off EBAY.

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/913751544210386.jpg

Hillsy

01-10-2006, 09:40 PM

Here's a comparison of stock v new muffler. Quite a bit shorter....

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/913751544190480.jpg

Hillsy

01-10-2006, 09:44 PM

The muffler came with a removable one of these...

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/913751544244059.jpg

Hillsy

01-10-2006, 09:47 PM

Which looks like this when it's in the muffler...

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/913751544174686.jpg

BOHEMION

01-10-2006, 09:55 PM

Lookin good mate

Hillsy

01-10-2006, 09:58 PM

And makes the muffler look like this when it's not in....

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/913751544195440.jpg

I was quite surprised by the sound without the baffle - it's loud, but not "I'm calling the cops" loud. It sounds quite deep, too. I've only ridden it with the baffle in so far, but it definitely revs, sounds and feels stronger. A lot of fun for $60.

RUSS M8

02-10-2006, 05:50 PM

Looking good mate, reckon those ZX9's make good fighters!

AgentOrange

04-10-2006, 11:01 PM

shit yeah.. that looks very nice. I've been having exhaust ideas for the last month or so now and I can't believe I never thought of car mufflers.. excellent idea! Did you get those from eBay US or Aus? The US postage is a killer.

How long is the muffler, and what are the inlet and tip sizes?

Cheers.

EDIT: just saw your previous posts about cutting/shortening the can... dang I wish I knew how to weld... feel like doing two more? :)

Hillsy

05-10-2006, 11:15 AM

quote:Originally posted by AgentOrange

shit yeah.. that looks very nice. I've been having exhaust ideas for the last month or so now and I can't believe I never thought of car mufflers.. excellent idea! Did you get those from eBay US or Aus? The US postage is a killer.

How long is the muffler, and what are the inlet and tip sizes?

Cheers.

EDIT: just saw your previous posts about cutting/shortening the can... dang I wish I knew how to weld... feel like doing two more? :)

G'day AgentOrange,

Mate, I didn't have to cut or weld it - here's the link to the eBay item:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/5-Zigen-Style-Muffler-Silencer-2-5-3-5-out-by-Matrix_W0QQitemZ110037783625QQihZ001QQcategoryZ501 40QQcmdZViewItem

He's in Brisbane and it was $60 buy-it-now price. He let me pick it up, too.
The only thing I had to do was cut a strip of stainless to sleeve the inlet over my existing mid pipe. It ended up being a pretty snug fit, so I just put a rivet on the inlet pipe facing the swingarm and she's pretty secure.
I will probably take the bike to a dyno to get it jetted properly down low, although with standard jetting it runs heaps harder above 4K.

AgentOrange

05-10-2006, 03:54 PM

excellent, thanks for that.

I wonder how much my local 'zorst shop is gonna charge to make up some mid-pipes for the Zthou...

Hillsy

06-11-2006, 09:50 AM

Got the ZX9 on the dyno and re-jetted to suit the exhaust - came up with just shy of 140HP. Not bad for a pretty much standard donk with a car muffler and a K&N filter. I think they pulled around 128HP stock.
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/703217621765630.JPG

Hillsy

06-11-2006, 09:55 AM

This one shows the air/fuel ratio and corresponding HP. There was a huge hole at around 10K where the bike was starving for fuel. They upped the mains by a few sizes and raised the float heights to fill the flat spot...
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/703217621729770.JPG

WATEVR

06-11-2006, 11:37 AM

12hp jump mate thats awesome it must be a whole new bike to ride. did the jetting tune etc change the whole way the power delivery comes on or just the top end.what about ignition advancer and other bits are they planed or just stick with what you got for the minute?

deafwish

06-11-2006, 12:55 PM

LOL at the ricer exhaust can!
What I.D. is the can? 2.1/4" or 2.1/2"?
You can get the cheap carbon fibre 'cannon' exhausts from Egay and Autobarn.....

Hillsy

06-11-2006, 01:22 PM

Hi WATEVR - it runs pretty hard now, so I'll probably just keep it like this. The HP increase was a bit deceptive as before the rejet it was flat until 4 grand, then it just took off. Now it is much more progressive all the way though the rev range so it doesn't have the same "power band" effect. But then you look at the speedo and you know it's GOOD!

Hey Deafwish - it is 2.1/2 inch (62.5MM?) at inlet. The mid pipe was 60MM O.D. I made up a sleeve out of stainless to mate the two and riveted in place on the swingarm side.

I've also got an airbox mod that routes the carb balance pipe (prevoiusly at the front fairing scoops) straight into the airbox (thanks to Cammy9R for showing me that one), and have routed the crankcase breather to the Kleen Air intakes at the rocker cover. Apparently this makes the crankcase run in a vacumm = easier revving = more power. I don't know how much power this should represent, but the guys at LAE reckoned this was the most power they'd seen from a stock(ish) ZX9 - so it's either this mod or the car can that's responsible for the power-up (and I don't think the can is that hi-tech).

Hillsy

03-12-2006, 03:47 PM

Got my Factory Pro jet kit during the week....just need to find the time to fit it

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/207938105238845.jpg

Hillsy

03-12-2006, 03:54 PM

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/207938105187711.jpg

Comes with a selection of mains, a bigger set of pilots, needles, emulsion tubes, sexy allen bolts for the bowls and drill bits to enlarge the air jets. More importantly, it comes with detailed instructions and recommended settings.
Got if from Wolf Racing in Brissie (thanks for the tip Slingblade), who were nearly $100 cheaper than the "official" distributors......

Supercharger_Mark

03-12-2006, 09:07 PM

Hi hillsy
i've just done a cupple of changes to mine and i'm in need of one of those kits.
any chance of getting the phone No for Wolf Racing off you?

ozkat

03-12-2006, 09:21 PM

quote:Originally posted by Supercharger_Mark

Hi hillsy
i've just done a cupple of changes to mine and i'm in need of one of those kits.
any chance of getting the phone No for Wolf Racing off you?

wolfracing 32063199

Supercharger_Mark

03-12-2006, 09:34 PM

cheers ozkat

Hillsy

28-12-2006, 03:33 PM

Found a bit of time over the hols to tinker in the shed. Started by scrapping the rear brake resevoir...

From this....
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343851683229308.jpg

To this....
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343851683249287.jpg

Hillsy

28-12-2006, 03:38 PM

Then I lightened the front end...

From this....
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343851683301153.jpg

To this......
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343851683364050.jpg

Hillsy

28-12-2006, 03:43 PM

Oh Yeah!! Got my advancer in the mail today.....just need time to fit it, sober up, get off the bloody computer, test ride, etc, etc.....

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343851683252334.jpg

Iceman

28-12-2006, 03:49 PM

Those resevoirs look trick. I've been think'n of do'n the same to the rear one on the GS. No real hurry on that though, I've got to make it go before I need to worry about stop'n.

fimpBIKES

28-12-2006, 04:13 PM

i dunno if i would do that on the front....

Hillsy

28-12-2006, 10:06 PM

quote:Originally posted by fimpBIKES

i dunno if i would do that on the front....

I was a bit dubious about it too, but I've seen GP bikes (mid nineties I think) with this and some streetfighters. Here's the only pic I could find (a bloody VMax) with similar. Sorry about the shit pic.....
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343852509208545.jpg

A small amount of fluid gets pushed back into the hose when you hit the brakes - and this compresses the air I've purposely left in the hose at the upper end. I'm thinking also that the hose will expand and contract to accomodate any fluid moving down the lines. Anyway, I will tread carefully with this mod and see if there are any drawbacks.

Slingblade

28-12-2006, 10:30 PM

Talk to Exben. He had a customer who had the front hose setup fail during a track day. I went with a mini resevior setup on the front on his advice(rear is fine though). It might be fine but i wouldnt risk it.

fimpBIKES

28-12-2006, 11:42 PM

does brake fliud get hot under repeated use?
i always figured it expanded some and thats why the reserves are normally so large?

29-12-2006, 12:01 AM

quote:Originally posted by fimpBIKES

does brake fliud get hot under repeated use?

You actually had to ask?

No wonder you're Kats got no windscreen

:D

Slingblade

29-12-2006, 12:05 AM

I think it is heat and the pressure in the system under hard use, ie. emergency braking. It might will fail when you need it most.

fimpBIKES

29-12-2006, 12:16 AM

actually, i have been thinking of trialing this new hi-tech screen

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/343852614127613.jpg

29-12-2006, 12:21 AM

Hmmmmm, It's got that blunt nose look

Kinda like yourself mate :D

fimpBIKES

29-12-2006, 12:21 AM

off the hayes website Re: Open Design Master Cylinder

A. Open System:

Open systems include a reservoir and bladder that allow for fluid to be automatically removed or added to the hydraulic system during usage. This bladder is at atmospheric pressure such that it can easily expand or contract. Reservoirs are the overflow for fluid that has heated and expanded due to braking. The ability for a bladder to change its volume within the system gives the excess fluid volume due to expansion a place to go without affecting the performance or feel of the brake. On the flip side, as brake pads begin to wear in a hydraulic caliper, the caliper pistons will move out further in their bores to adjust for this wear. The reservoir bladder automatically supplies the extra fluid needed to allow the pistons to pump out further. Having an open system that is either under-filled (bladder under vacuum) or overfilled (bladder under pressure) can greatly affect the performance of the brake.

Hillsy

29-12-2006, 08:32 AM

Thanks for all the advice fellas. I hadn't thought about the pressure / vaccum aspect of the sealed hose system affecting the braking. Will go back to a resevior of sorts for the front.

29-12-2006, 08:39 AM

Go for a remote that you can hide behind the headlights or something.

alfiestorm

29-12-2006, 09:00 AM

And maybe just maybe keep the remote resovoir above the brake lever level doncha think

WATEVR

29-12-2006, 09:16 AM

hillsy is that the original throttle assembely or an aftermarket one and same with the right handside switch gear? the switch block and throttlr=e cables are all one on the ZX7R so yours would be good if i changed over to a quick action throttle.

WATEVR

29-12-2006, 09:18 AM

quote:Originally posted by chalk10

Go for a remote that you can hide behind the headlights or something.

so it doesnt matter if the resevior is below the master cylinder?

29-12-2006, 09:23 AM

Actually might pay to check on that one, although if the reservoir is full then it shouldn't be a problem.

Have seen a couple of fighter pics with the reservoirs relocated lower than the bar mount.

FAT460

29-12-2006, 10:06 AM

The reservoir being lower will mainly be a problem when trying to bleed the system. If you held the reservoir up higher and bled the system fully and all is working fine, then you could lower the reservoir and secure. System should continue to work untill any air is introduced to system then you will have an air lock. What do you use to cap off the hose on the rear reservoir as I would like to do this also.Thanks.

Paul.

Hillsy

29-12-2006, 12:46 PM

quote:Originally posted by WATEVR

hillsy is that the original throttle assembely or an aftermarket one and same with the right handside switch gear? the switch block and throttlr=e cables are all one on the ZX7R so yours would be good if i changed over to a quick action throttle.

Yep - they're stock ZX9. I had to spin the throttle assembly round about 120 degrees to get more cable reach for the high bars (standard cables too).

Hillsy

29-12-2006, 12:49 PM

quote:Originally posted by FAT460

The reservoir being lower will mainly be a problem when trying to bleed the system. If you held the reservoir up higher and bled the system fully and all is working fine, then you could lower the reservoir and secure. System should continue to work untill any air is introduced to system then you will have an air lock. What do you use to cap off the hose on the rear reservoir as I would like to do this also.Thanks.

Paul.

G'Day Paul,

The hose I got from my local auto parts shop (fuel, oil , brake fliud resistant) and the caps are plastic chair leg caps from the local hardware. I tapped a screw into the top of the cap to allow airflow for bleeding / refilling

Hillsy

07-02-2007, 08:13 PM

Bloody hell - things move pretty slow in camp Hillsy. Anyway, here's an updated paint job attempt I had a crack at over the weekend. It's Bunnings spray can "Bright Green" with contact adhesive vinyl for the black strips (yeah, yeah - I can hear all you painter guys laughing from here:D)

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/112918933360197.jpg

Anyway, I'm already thinking the blackouts on the side of the tank have to go cause they dont suit (and the stripes don't line up with the tail). However, that's the good thing about adhesive vinyl - it just peels off so you can try it again.

Hillsy

07-02-2007, 08:18 PM

And here's a front pic - I chopped a shitload of plastic off the front guard too....and I'm starting to hate that headlight (that's next on the list)......

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/112918933481157.jpg

Gix11

08-02-2007, 03:58 PM

Mate, the best part is it's unique and that's what this game is all about. Good work mate.

Hillsy

08-02-2007, 06:56 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Gix11

Mate, the best part is it's unique and that's what this game is all about. Good work mate.
[/quote

Fargin hell!....I thought I'd stunned all of you guys into silence for a minute.....[:0]:D

Here's take 2. Not sure if I like it, to be honest. I do like the tail and the front guard - probably because they're not so big and in your face. The tank is another story, though.....hmmm.....

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/321828049363032.JPG

Can one of you photoshop gurus black out the frame and post it up for me? I'm pretty sure it will look OK, but would like to see a mock up before I strip it down again. Thanx guys.