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The piece of fucking shit is going to get a fucking match put to it.
Apologies for that outburst. I was having a somewhat frustrating time re-fitting the sump, with a gasket that preferred the feel of the open air.
ozzy1100
18-04-2017, 08:01 AM
Oh the joy....
Gix11
18-04-2017, 10:36 AM
Ha, all sounds so familiar.
What I had forgotten was that the engine fits rather tight at the front, and the sump only slides into position by easing it in from the rear (ooh matron!). Which is all fine and dandy until you have a gasket sitting precariously in place atop the sump... all sorted no though, and I celebrated by polishing some more bits (crankcase breather cap, and footpeg tips) and painting the breather tank, pics of that soon ;-)
Gix11
19-04-2017, 01:57 PM
Always ready for pics....
Subtle Si, very subtle!
Okay, if you insist...
So, the oil gate was being transferred into the 'good' original sump (complete with now irrelevant oil level sender).
Hole drilled and finning relieved on underside so that the allen-headed bolt would sit flush.
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/MDMSF/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_132005.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/MDMSF/media/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_132005.jpg.html)
And the gate bolted into place, in the correct orientation this time!
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/MDMSF/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_132233.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/MDMSF/media/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_132233.jpg.html)
So time to offer it up and see if the sump would fit...
...errr, no.
You can just about see the mark where the body of the pressure relief valve was hitting the nut holding the gate in place...
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/MDMSF/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_153128.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/MDMSF/media/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_153128.jpg.html)
Hello Mr Grinder? Are you available for a few minutes?...
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/MDMSF/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_164358.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/MDMSF/media/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_164358.jpg.html)
Enough clearance created and the circlip that holds the spring in place can still be fitted.
And, in the meantime, the turbo oil tank, breather tank, and crankcase breather cap all had fittings welded into place by a Man That Can (Thank you Mr Dave Dunlop of FBM turbo systems)
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/MDMSF/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_175340.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/MDMSF/media/Zed%20-%20the%20longest%20project/20170415_175340.jpg.html)
The two tanks will be painted black, and the cap polished.
Gix11
20-04-2017, 11:44 AM
Mr.Dunlop sure knows his turbo stuff hey?
....how many days until the TT now?
....how many days until the TT now?
Not enough...
Parts painted, and fitted, and a kick in the teeth as the oil tank doesn't fit any more thanks to the oil return fitting hitting a frame rail. Arse.
This, is combination with an imminent house move, apparent further chain clearance issues, and the need to buy new tyres for the Zed when I have no cash means there's little (ie zero) chance of it being done in time for the TT.
Gix11
05-05-2017, 08:29 AM
Yes, "Arse" does seem like the correct word here. What you moving again for? Found somewhere colder?
LKC73
05-05-2017, 09:21 AM
That's a shame mate, guess all good things take time. Good luck on the move.
Yes, "Arse" does seem like the correct word here. What you moving again for? Found somewhere colder?
Closer to work for her indoors, and makes more sense to spend money on a mortgage than on renting. It's even closer to Cadwell Park and, joy of joys, it has a double garage and additional workshop space! Clouds and silver linings and all that...
Gix11
08-05-2017, 10:20 AM
Lots of boxes ticked there, so all in all, good news.
http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/MDMSF/Zed - the longest project/timesponge.jpg (http://s1078.photobucket.com/user/MDMSF/media/Zed - the longest project/timesponge.jpg.html)
And the new garage, at last some space! But first it needs the walls painted white, and the floor painted too, then some racking / shelving put in place, and some decent lights instead of just two, and some electric sockets (again, instead of just two), and my work bench and storage cabinets need to be picked up from the old 'Shed of Dread', 130 miles away, and moved into this, already christened 'The Time Sponge'...
rod185651
22-08-2017, 06:32 AM
Foiled by Photofucket again :(
Gix11
22-08-2017, 09:38 AM
Ha! Sounds great. Shame it looks like a Photobucket announcement banner though. Screw you Photobucket, promise so much and then take it away...
And four hundred bucks a year for the priviledge of getting pissed off with adverts left right and motherfuckin' centre. Go suck a dick Photobucket.
And, thanks to the lovely people at imgbb (who don't charge and, seemingly, don't have advert-overload)...
https://image.ibb.co/bxSke5/timesponge.jpg
rod185651
22-08-2017, 08:06 PM
Looks good mate, lots of space to wield your magic
Thankyou beautiful people at imgBB.com, you're so much better than the mindless fucktards at Photobucket...
https://image.ibb.co/bxSke5/timesponge.jpg
Gix11
24-08-2017, 09:17 AM
Holy Shit Dave, you won't know yourself in there mate! Might want to get a compass or a map of something as well so you don't get lost? Nice work.
I tried to do something, I really did...
After a lot of rooting through boxes and trying to find the 'safe place' where I put the bits that still need to be fitted, I finally found the Mikuni HSR...
Buoy'd with enthusiasm, I also found the clutch pack, and whipped off the cover to get it fitted...
Hang on, there's one in there already? How did that happen? I don't remember fitting it...
Hey ho, at least I can fit the clutch lock-up while the cover is off, right? That'll be a no. The lock-up is for a five bolt clutch, not the six bolt that I have...
I'm now wondering if I've got my lock-ups mixed up, as I'm sure I have another one somewhere that is supposedly for a GSX-R, maybe I got them confused? The problem is, I can't find it as it is also in a 'safe place'...
This isn't a case of one step forward, one step back. But more a case of several steps sideways...
ozzy1100
19-02-2019, 09:00 AM
Oh the horror
Gix11
21-02-2019, 11:22 AM
...and all this after you demolished your hand. It's all getting a bit wiggly for you at the moment hey mate?
It continues...
Copping the hump with the clutch side of the engine, I moved to the other.
I managed to find the alternator stator and rotor, which was nice, and bolted the stator into the engine cover with some lovely fresh thread lock. Then, as the 'nose' on the crank looked a little rough, I lapped the rotor on with some valve grinding paste, cleaning it all scrupulously afterwards. Getting somewhere eh?
Er, no, not really...
To fit the rotor I needed to get all the starter clutch and ring gear bits together and fit them as well, and could I find them? Could I bollocks. I ,looked in every single box in the garage - Every. Single. One - and even though I can remember exactly where the bits were before I emptied the shed before the house move, and I've found the other bits that were in that cupboard, I can't find the bits that I need right-the-fuck now!
Mind you, I did find my fuel tap (for the second time) which is nice...
And Si, my hand is out of plaster now, no pins left in it, so it's nowhere near as gimpy as it was a month ago...
Fuel tap!
https://i.ibb.co/jDdFbpW/tap.jpg
A 260 mile round trip to the old Shed Of Dread and I found a box of stuff, including some bits I needed, and lots that I don't...
https://i.ibb.co/LrXQ9qV/box1.jpg
Ooh, looky here!
https://i.ibb.co/8DhN950/box2.jpg
And I found not one, but two ring gear...
https://i.ibb.co/YbDfqhV/ringear.jpg
Which matches the two clutch baskets and two alternator stators that I seem to have collected somehow...
And also got a bellmouth from Chinaland, although I'm not convinced yet and may opt for a proper filter...#
https://i.ibb.co/G093hwy/bringonthetrumpets.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/5B0YTkV/trumpets.jpg
With a mind like a sieve, and an online search revealing no insight, I don;'t know what gasket will fit this tap...
https://i.ibb.co/yyPwrDV/20190403-202534-resized.jpg
Gix11
10-04-2019, 09:37 AM
That's the same as the old GSXR one isn't it? Try one of them.
Good old Shed of Dread, so many goodies lost in it's chasm of procrastination.
You thought I'd forgotten about this project?
Well, I sort of had, as been distracted with other stuff...
But back on it now. Gt a GSX-R gasket for the fuel tap, which hasn't got the 'bars' that cross it, and also found a rubber Pingel one that could work if I cut out a bigger hole in the middle, so I might use that.
Also got all the starter clutch bits sorted, with rebuild kit, new needle roller etc, and cleaned up the utterly manky ring gear and idler gear that had lots of hard bits between the teeth that I assume are bits of old magnet from a knackered alternator...
I'll try and post pics of this and other stuff when I remember where my whatsit-thingummy account is...
ozzy1100
02-05-2020, 02:39 AM
But back on it now. Gt a GSX-R gasket for the fuel tap, which hasn't got the 'bars' that cross it, and also found a rubber Pingel one that could work if I cut out a bigger hole in the middle, so I might use that.
Also got all the starter clutch bits sorted, with rebuild kit, new needle roller etc, and cleaned up the utterly manky ring gear and idler gear that had lots of hard bits between the teeth that I assume are bits of old magnet from a knackered alternator...
I'll try and post pics of this and other stuff when I remember where my whatsit-thingummy account is...
Still such a cool project dude.....:-)
Gix11
11-05-2020, 03:07 PM
Good to see you back in here Dave.
Thanks lads ;):cool:
Got a bit delayed as tried to fit starter ring gear and rotor etc but I can't find the bolt that holds the rotor on the end of the crank, so have had to order a new one.
But carried on with bits and bobs, alongside another project (that I'll probably document on here as well, don't think I started a thread...). The standard clock have been gutted, and I'm using an aftermarket rev counter / speedo jobbie in one clock 'pod', and a boost gauge in the other. They're fitted, but need some sort of surround to fit in the pod to make them look right. Al8522so, the pods need some glass in them, but I'll be using perspex, and I ordered that fro t'interwebs this morning...
It's making life a bit easier by being able to post pics directly on t here as well Si! Is that a good thing? Or will it take up lots of expensive e-space? Most other forums are hosting pics themselves nowadays it seems...
Here's another...
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ozzy1100
26-05-2020, 10:58 PM
Wanker...8842
Oh the horror dude [emoji50]
More human than human
Was tightening up the (new) rotor with the (new) rotor bolt and started to feel a little odd. Hadn't got to the 95ft-lb that the manual suggests, and realised that the starter ring gear wasn't spinning like it should. Hmm, backed off the bolt, unscrewed it to see the damaged thread...
It still threads in nice and easily though (as far as this pic shows), which suggests that the job isn't totally fucked.
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ozzy1100
27-05-2020, 12:05 AM
Was tightening up the (new) rotor with the (new) rotor bolt and started to feel a little odd. Hadn't got to the 95ft-lb that the manual suggests, and realised that the starter ring gear wasn't spinning like it should. Hmm, backed off the bolt, unscrewed it to see the damaged thread...
It still threads in nice and easily though (as far as this pic shows), which suggests that the job isn't totally fucked.
8843
Looks like it bottomed out in the hole and picked up if I was to guess
More human than human
Anyways, it seems that the stripped bolt was not down to my ham-fistedness, not this time.
The aftermarket alternator rotor apparently needs to have th8848e bolt shortened by about 4mm, and also needs a different thrust washer at the rear (one from an earlier 1100, with a smaller OD than the one for the 1100 Unitrak). The thrust washer, upon inspection, had been forced into a cone shape because it wasn't sitting in the recess at the rear of the ring gear, as the pic here shows...
The bolt met the cutting disc, and the thrust washer met the belt sander, and everyone lived happily ever after...
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But before they're fitted I'm going to make a closer check as to how well the rotor sits on the crank taper, and I may fit a brand new thrust washer (the correct size, natch) rather than the one that'd been pushed into a cone shape...
Gix11
28-05-2020, 06:43 AM
It's making life a bit easier by being able to post pics directly on t here as well Si! Is that a good thing? Or will it take up lots of expensive e-space? Most other forums are hosting pics themselves nowadays it seems...
Here's another...
8523How did I miss this?
Anyway, with the small amount of visits these days, photo storage is not going to be a problem currently mate, so keep up the good work!
Sent from my SM-G970F using Tapatalk
Cheers Si ;-)
And it turns out that I had the wrong inner thrust washer all along anyway, as the correct one is slightly thicker and has an oil groove in it too. Correct item ordered this morning... So some waiting for the delivery. If only I had another project that I could be working on in the meantime.
New thrust washer purchased, and waited for, received, fitted and all back together again.
And then, once the starter and alternator gubbins was all back together, I happened to find a glass jar, containing some bits...
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... yep, the very bits that I had fucked about trying to find, then ordering (wrongly), re-ordering (correctly), waiting for and then fitting...
This was followed by more fucking about trying to get the sprocket cover and clutch actuator fitted correctly, with some issues as the cover wasn't fitting flush to the crank cases... eventually traced down to the actuator not aligning with a slot in the cover. With this done, all was fitted, and the exhaust also bolted back on and lock-wired nice and neatly.
At which point I turned to the oiling system and realised that the exhaust would have to come back off again so I could fit the oil return fitting into the turbo... Time and motion, time and motion...
Gix11
15-06-2020, 09:21 PM
Bloody glass jars. At least everything is going in a forward motion mate; slightly bent and twisted maybe, but forward all the same.
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Oil return fitting bolted into place and, while I was there I thought I might as well fit the oil feed line as well. Er, hang on, where is the oil feed line?... it should be here somewhere?... er....
Here we go again....
Gix11
16-06-2020, 07:03 PM
Try the glass jar...
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Haha, first place I looked Si! The jar has now been consigned to the recycling...
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