shit house front brakes

[RevHead]

ok when i had my 1100w its brakes were great ,then i fitted wave discs and a cbr radial master cylinder, then they were crap ,now on my busa the front brakes are garbage, would it make them better to piss off the 6 spots and fit 4 spot calipers,as my mates 2002 r1 stops on a dime ,the busa just keeps running on under braking ,any ideas as i have the 4 spots off of chases suzi:cool:

[BANDITROD]

pab13 put a brembo radial master on his busa and those brakes just about make your face off

[Redmohawk]

or just change your pads

[BANDITROD]

oh and some braided lines pete

[kev@vcm]

pete a good combo of braided lines and sintered pads on the busa does help

[Bob]

^^Like what kev said, a good combo mate.

[RevHead]

ive got the pads il buy the brake lines ,also il chase down a good master cylinder,

[Chase]

release the throttle when you brake :p

[RevHead]

release the throttle when you brake :p

just spat bourbon all over the screen ,pmsl ,good one steve.

[sharky]

I thought you said sukzuki were the best.....

[Redmohawk]

as my mates 2002 r1 stops on a dime ,the busa just keeps running on under braking ,any ideas as i have the 4 spots off of chases suzi:cool:

The busa weight is about 250 kg and a R1 is about 170 kg , Just loose 80 kg and your Bus will stop more like an R1 !

[kev@vcm]

there is a set up im going to be putting on the busa and its basicly converts it from 6pot calipers to radial brakes im accumilteing all the parts to do the conversion

[RevHead]

Russ they are ,keep me posted Kev.




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[Tony Nitrous]

I've tried a few brake combo's on Busa's.

My current one has better pad's, fluid, lines and is nothing more than average.
Havent tried a radial master on a Gen1 but its pretty well accepted that
Suzuki 6-plops are nothing special.

At their very best, either of the Gen1's i've had were not a patch on the
B-Kings Radial master / Radial Caliper even with its factory pads, fluid and
its stock rubber lines.

I've never been a fan of the 6 pots. They were the Busa's downside.

[RevHead]

ive never ridden a suzuki with 4 pots ,plus i might set them up to see if there better ,if not i can always go back to the 6 pots.

[BANDITROD]

one of these pete it worked on pabs busa with braided lines
http://www.shop.kyleusa.com/product.sc?productId=119

[bluedrags]

I don't if you have seen this site or not Pete.
http://customhayabusaparts.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Calipers&osCsid=4b95c5f9a9039c685ac7ad06a8956e01&x=0&y=0

[BANDITROD]

fuck me they look shit hot

[RevHead]

cant find any master cylinders on that page,lolm i prefer this mob

http://www.eurocomponentsusa.com/parts_for_sportbikes/

[Gitzy]

Pete, like the boys above have said..

1. Braided Lines
2. Good Fluid
3. Good Pads
4. Good Rotors sometimes help..

oh and these..

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/Various/TLS%20Hayabusa%20Fork%20Conversion/DSC00906.jpg

[RevHead]

id love to fit a later model front end ,but ,with how things are going with no time to scratch, i will start with ther lines pads and fluid ,then if no good ,go the radial master cylinder route .

[Deano]

i have a track bike with 6 spot busa calipers and std master and also a 05 gix 600 with a full radial front end.

the difference is night and day. the radial front end has better initial bit and pulls up so well. at the end of a day at the track i was breaking that hard that i couldn't even hold up my own weight and found myself falling forward .

pulled in and packed up then. was to stuffed.

the 6 spot front end is feels like it is decades behind. stuff all feel in comparison no where near the initial bite and the best way to describe the feeling is 'wooden'

my turbo bike has a 05 gix750 radial front end with radial brembo RCS19 master. i love the brembo masters but i don't think there is to much difference in performance uo to date(road only riding tho)

i will never go back to a conventional front end if i can help it. the difference is night and day. trust me.

my advice is change to full radial. could be as simple as changing the fork bottoms with something newer. may not have to change the forks at all.

[RevHead]

ive got to work it out as it is shit house to try and stop the bloody thing ,i had an old 900 fireblade it could stop so well.i would say the feeling of the brakes being woody would be spot on ,i need to check a fair way ahead before i crack the throttle as i need the room to stop the thing.ive got a link that Dylan posted a while ago of a good wrecker in the states, hes got a gixer thou front end for $360, and radial calipers and master cylinder off the same bike for $67 ,i think il go and buy it now .

[Gitzy]

Best Parts shop in the world In my opinion Pete is here..

$499 for a brand spankers set of Busa Radials..

http://motorcycleparts2u.com/2008-suzuki-gsx1300r-hayabusa-forks-mp2u043804

I've bought 3 front ends and various other components like calipers, swingarm, triples etc all with no issue and posted very carefully..

[RevHead]

Gitz you the man .

[StuNVA]

If you got an 08+ (Busa or gixer) front end would you need a new wheel too or just the rotors ?

[RevHead]

ive been on line checking this out ,but a good brake upgrade is required.

[Tony Nitrous]

Funny thing about the B-Kings full radial brakes,
lots of folk have had "off's" from front end lock up's.

Nothing wrong with the brakes, ( Deano is spot-on
with his write up ) Maybe folk new to "good" brakes
are just grabbing a big handfull, when you really no
longer need to.

I love the Kings full "master / caliper" radial brakes,
but they do make stock 6-plop's feel shit-house
when I get back on the Busa.

Better still, try them back to back with 30 year old ET brakes !!!!!

[Gitzy]

If you got an 08+ (Busa or gixer) front end would you need a new wheel too or just the rotors ?

Without a doubt you can use the Gen 1 Busa wheel and rotors.. I've got a 2010 Busa front end on my 1998 TL Stu so no issues there me thinks..

[greg mulligan]

I put a 2011 busa front end in the busa had to change the rotors as well

[Gitzy]

I put a 2011 busa front end in the busa had to change the rotors as well

Do the Gen 2 Rotors fit up to the Gen 1 Wheel Greg?? I'm interested in that..

I conquered the dimension differences between Gen 1 and Gen 2 by having spacers made to use my wheel and rotors as they were 100% and didn't want to waste them, you can go either route Pete.

Just for reference TLS dimensions are IDENTICAL to Gen 1 Busa..

Gen 1 Rotor centres are 134
Gen 2 Rotor centres are 139

2.5mm rotor spacers can fix this issue,

Gen 1 Rotors are 320mm
Gen 2 Rotors are 310mm

5mm increase in radius will need 5mm caliper spacers to space 'out' from axle centre fixing that issue.

Rotor Spacers
http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/Various/TLS%20Hayabusa%20Fork%20Conversion/DSC00892.jpg

Caliper Spacers

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/Various/TLS%20Hayabusa%20Fork%20Conversion/DSC00902.jpg

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/Various/TLS%20Hayabusa%20Fork%20Conversion/DSC00903.jpg

[RevHead]

what triples did you use gitz

[BANDITROD]

prob the tls ones

[RevHead]

i plan on buying a complete front triples forks etc then trying to get my wheel with my discs to fit as gen 2 busa rims are completely different

[Redmohawk]

You go out and buy the worlds fastest production bike and now you want to stop it, go figure .

[RevHead]

You go out and buy the worlds fastest production bike and now you want to stop it, go figure .ahahahahhahahhaha ,i love logic!

[Gitzy]

Pete Use your triples, Busa and TLS both have 50mm Top and 55mm Bottom Yokes.. all you will need is

*08+ Busa Forks
*08+ Busa Axle
*08+ Busa Calipers
*08+ Busa RHS Wheel Spacer
*07 GSXR 1000 Front Fender cos they look nicer..
*Spacer set which you can now buy from Sam Matthewman in the UK..

and your set with a full radial conversion retaining your Gen 1 Busa wheel and rotor..

[Dynomutt]

A cheaper alternative to the Brembo matsercylinders are the Accossato radial mastercylinders. I have just had a set delivered for a friends GSXR build, 19/18 brake 16/18 clutch. Very similar to the Brembo forged, levers appear to be interchangable with Brembo, all fittings are stainless (unlike Brembo) But cheaper than the Brembo forged, and available in both brake and clutch.
The Tokico six pots were always shit, many guys who were racing replaced them with either Nissin 4 pots or Tokico 4 pots, the long pad has a tendency to rock on the middle piston which pushes the outer two pistons back very slightly, this leads to excessive lever travel and a lack of initial bite when applying the brakes. The best 6 pots are the ones that use an individual pad per piston, as these do not suffer the pad rocking issues.

[StuNVA]

I unloaded the Busa this arvo and rode it a couple if ks back to my place, could not believe how shit the brakes were. Thank's for asking all the questions Pete and more thanks for all the answers guys.

[RevHead]

im tossing the 6 pots and fitting 4 pots ,jst waiting on new pads ,no prbs stu,

[EXBEN]

1698
I also just did a Gen 2 front end swap into a gen 1 , brakes are so much better & with the 320mm rotors there even better than a stock gen 2. In thing Gitzy forgot is you also need a 12mm wheel spacer for the RHS of the wheel & 2.5mm spacers are a bit thick for the busa discs I found 1.6mm perfect.

[RevHead]

thanks Ben.

[Gitzy]

Ooops forgot to mention that good call Ben.. I used a Gen 2 Axle spacer, I'm guessing it must be 12mm?? as it fit like a glove..

[hooligan]

slight thread hijack... does the R6 tail stick out further than the back wheel, Ben?

[RevHead]

slight thread hijack... does the R6 tail stick out further than the back wheel, Ben?

Brakes Chris ,lol Brakes

[EXBEN]

Noooooo...... that would be shit wouldn't it.

[RevHead]

lol talk to Dylan he,s posting shit,lol

[EVLZX]

Nissin 4 Pots off various suzukis with 90mm spacing.
Got mine off a RF900. Also some GSXR and Bandits.
The 6 pots are okay but need a lot of regular cleaning as the last piston drags a lot, also they weigh a tonne and have more flex.
I think the 6 pots changed design slightly later on but still weren't much better.
If you've got the $$$ you could throw some Nissin 6 pots on, not many oem around though ( zx7rr can't remember the year and a yamaha 7 which is rare as ) and they're not cheap.

It's all the same issue as with the ZRX, truly uninspiring.

[RevHead]

ok what i did was to fit Chases old TLS 4 pot calipers with new ,pads,
the difference is brillant ,ive got feel in the lever and no fade ,the bike doesnt run on while braking it pulls up that fast, it feels like im bending the forks under the bike ,if you own a busa piss them 6 pots off and fit 4 pots ,so much better, im running the stanrd busa master cylinder an the standard brake lines ,1738

[Gitzy]

Well thats another option that works a treat..

Just while we are on that topic of 4 pot for 6 pot heres some reference pics.

Nissins are GSXR1100 B12 ETC..

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/GSXR%20Fork-Caliper%20Info/4calipers.jpg

Some radials

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/GSXR%20Fork-Caliper%20Info/Caliper.jpg

And the reason the Busa 6 pots are so weighty, get a look at the internals..

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/GSXR%20Fork-Caliper%20Info/GoldBusa6potClean2.jpg

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/GSXR%20Fork-Caliper%20Info/GoldBusa6potClean1.jpg

[RevHead]

good info Todd , i just did a 400k round trip early this morn and the front brakes are sensational ,never had front brakes this good with so much positive feel and progression ,,before the old brakes were like squizing a fucking sponge,.

[EVLZX]

That pic of the 6 Pots doesn't do them justice

1750

[RevHead]

That pic of the 6 Pots doesn't do them justice

1750ahahahahahha

[Tony Nitrous]

Not used these guys yet but they have some useful kit....

http://stores.ebay.com/SunCoastCycleSports_08-09-Hayabusa_W0QQ_fsubZ150214012QQ_sidZ6213132QQ_trksi dZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322

[RevHead]

ive used suncoast ,really quick post ,good to deal with

[Tony Nitrous]

...now if you had 100mm spacing and deep pockets....

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120946264155?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

[RevHead]

oh to be rich