Kiwi's new project "PROJECT NEW/OLDSKOOL"

[kiwi kdx]

Ok here we go again "PROJECT NEW/OLDSKOOL"

This one is going to be a mix of new and old, starting out with a 1979 Z1000 ST frame( that Mohawk is so nicely bringing down from The Wang for me, thanks again mate.

She'll be getting new running gear new wheels under tail exhaust and something Kawasaki air cooled with way too much power!
......Turbo I hear u all asking??????

Ill be taking a lot more time on this one, won't really be much progress in the next six months as I have a tiny apartment and NO garage at the moment and have Bubs number 1 on the way.

This is the photoshop concept pic

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/finalconcept.jpg

So we have already:
-The Z1000 ST frame
-05 ZX636 forks
-06 Z1000 triples
-06 GIXXER 1000 4pot radial mount calipers
-Twin 320mm Brembo rotors
-2010 R1 swingarm
-2010 R1 shock and linkage
-2010 R1 rear caliper and carrier hanger
-and IMO the signature of this build... black Ducati sport classic wheels!

Not really sure on the couour scheme yet but I'm thinking stripped paint on triples,lower fork legs and calipers(with TOKICO in black)and oven cleaned fork tops...... To get a nice clean alloy look, brushed not polished!
And maybe a brushed alloy swinger too..... Ill be having the bars alloy and as bare as possible.
I want virtually no wiring visible.

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[Tony Nitrous]

Thats a nice pile of parts to start with.

I know someone else in Brissy who has an ST frame put away.
I said why not the classic Z9/Z1000 frame but he said the ST
is wider across the swingarm area ? Correct ?

[hooligan]

What did you use to seal the wheels?

[kiwi kdx]

Yeah that's rite tony the ST is wider coz of the shaft drive, about 300mm I think so easier to fit a wide rear without fouling the chain on the frame And hooligan searched the globe for a long long time and now have two sets in my position, one that I have powder coated black and one that is still chrome.

[BANDITROD]

i think hooligan was wanting to know if you are using tubes or not .....those rims look porn btw

[ozzy1100]

y cant all u fuckers wait till i finish my old sckool build before u come up with great bikes cunts
btw it will look horn

[kiwi kdx]

Oh.... Now that i re read that, yes he was!!
Fuk i can be a cabbage! I read steal not seal......
I have gone with the tubes,that what Ducati send
Them out of the factory with so must be ok.

[RevHead]

those wheels a hot as bro good work

[kiwi kdx]

Oh sorry Ozzy.......... Don't worry mate I'm sure yours will be done first!

And cheers boys I have been in love with these wheels for a long time...... Stoked to have some!

[hooligan]

yep, I was wondering whether you were running tubes or not.
I've got a motard, and if you were tubless, was curious what you'd done. And the answer is used a tube.:)
If teh finished bike looks close to the mockup, it's gonna be great.

[sharky]

How about a nice 1100 Zephyr motor lol...lol....

Oh no sorry....you wanted power :)

[ozzy1100]

How about a nice 1100 Zephyr motor lol...lol....

Oh no sorry....you wanted power :)

sux a cock gay boy lol

[ozzy1100]

Oh sorry Ozzy.......... Don't worry mate I'm sure yours will be done first!

And cheers boys I have been in love with these wheels for a long time...... Stoked to have some!

dont be sorry mate just be glad u building something like u are old school grunt mod brakes and rubber how can u go wrong
and in the real world u will be as quick as most sports bike riders and have way more fun doing it

[kiwi kdx]

Oooh ouch Ozzy.... I think sharky is making fun of you!
I'm thinking a GPZ1100 unitrack motor, maybe turbo.......

[ozzy1100]

shhhhh i might or might not be useing the same motor and did think of turbo
just depends on how u want to end up, mid 130s in rear wheel hp isnt that hard n/a but cost eather way it would pay to do yr sums
but be prepared if u want the unitrack motor with the 18 mm rods to have fun finding one not in a bike atm and bikes are going for over 1000 atm as well ....dont ask me how i know or how the mail man is going to kill me for lugging a crank from z germans

[Bob]

Its gonna look sic dude, like the way this is going.

[kiwi kdx]

Ahh I see, I work with an old boy who runs Zed's as drag bikes at last count he had 12 of them!!!
The one he is running now got kicked off the dyno at 12000rpm, the guy doing it said na no more take it somewhere else!
Valves the size of 50c coins and the cams in this thing are so fucken big he has had to gring down into the head just so they can spin,

He has a couple of heads with the kidney shaped chambers set aside for me and a brain full of knowledge I plan to pick through...

[ozzy1100]

lol funny i have the same thing with scotty from rapid motion
i will be running the bigger valves and flowed head but a mix of a few dif yrs std cams dialed in to what ever dia he says
wont spin past 9.5 k -10 k but should be better street motor
the roller crank is strong as and only needs a bit of prep and from what im told the 18 mm rods are the biggest that kwaka made
the last of the uni's also had a back cut gear box as std i dont think u can go wrong
lots of drag race parts of the shelf makes it a easy thing to choose
and dont just think u grind the inside of the head lots to be done out side so it runs cooler for bigger cc i almost went a 2nd hand 1465 big block but we ended going 1230 big bore and sleaves because at end of the day i want a street bike that i can race not a race bike that i could put up with on the street lol
this should be a intresting build , i should dig out some more of the pics i have of how to line face the swing arm at home so u can fit it in frame

[kiwi kdx]

Mate any pics or info u have would be great!!! My main problem will be setting the height of rthe mono shock correctly

[ozzy1100]

the only hard part is makeing yr mind up about the geometry u wish and can run
the setting of the height is easy, basicly i would just set the front end up as u wish for rake and hight etc
and adjust the frame and swing to suit and check yr swing arm angle as well as anti squat angle
and away u go

[stiffsimon]

That's going to look shit hot mate. Absolutely love those wheels. Seems like we're both thinking along the same lines with a big old aircooled muscle bike with plenty of power. These big old air cooled bruisers seem to be getting quite popular here in Melbourne. Maybe when we all get them finished we should all get together for a blast. Probs be a year or two down the line for me though.

[kiwi kdx]

ozzy - I don't want to fuk with the head stem at all, I was just going to lower the rear end to match the loss in height with the newer forks, Ill do a lot more research into that yet.

And "stiffy" ( ha ha couldent help ) Do u have a build thread going?

[stiffsimon]

Yeah mate Have a look in the Full Members rides - Suzuki and looking for the "GSX 1260 project, making it better, fuck yeah" . Have a look and see what you think. But I know what you're going to say............................................My GSX NEEDS your spokey dokey wheels :cool:

[kiwi kdx]

EVERYTHING!!!!!! Needs my spokey dokey wheels! I may put them under my pillow tonight.

[ozzy1100]

if it was me id not leave it level and keep the back up a little looks tuffer and u get better steering angle but thats just me

[Dynomutt]

A 1260 GPZ1100A based motor should see in excess of 130bhp easily. I'm just dynoing a Z1260 motor that I've just built for a guy, early type head with oversize valves, Cammotion cams dialled in on APE slotted sprockets, race ported head by dom Trickett, welded balnced crank, weight matched pistons, dry blocked with external oil feeds to the head, APE H/D case and cylinder studs and nuts, gated sump, manual camchain tensioner, twin oil coolers, Dyna 'S' ignition system, Mikuni RS38 flatslides, Harris works collection pipe with race baffle, plus various other bits.
Initial results showed 124.50bhp @ 9000rpm, cams have since been dialled in differently and the carbs rejetted, and will be going back on the dyno once I Timesert a couple of exhaust studs that have pulled. It should be somewhere close to 130bhp, the limiting factor is the early type head which won't flow as much as the later J style head and certainly not as much as a GPZ1100A series head.
1260cc requires a resleeve and upper crankcase mouths boring up for the larger sleeves. A cost effective source of sleeves for the 1260cc conversion is to use GSXR1052 oil cooled sleeves, you can pick a used block up for the cost of one aftermarket sleeve, and they bore up to 78mm fine and are within a couple of millimetres of the sleeve length of the originals, I've done a couple of 1260cc motors using the 1052 oil cooled sleeves with no problems.
The 1260cc motors will run hot, and the dry blocked external oilfeeds help to ensure a cooler supply of oil to the head, the 1260 motor I've just done is using a 16 row 23mm cooler up front with a smaller 10 row half width cooler in series mounted at the back of the motor.

Starter motors can be an issue with the bigger motors, I run Honda CB900 starters which are more powerful than the original Kawasaki items, along with a YTZ14 battery with 230CCA, I also run a dedicated earh strap from the neg terminal on the battery to one of the mounting bolts of the starter motor. The Honda starter bolts straight in, but requires a little work to the end cap to allow the body to rotate 45 degrees to aoid the live terminal post arcing out on the sprocket cover, the end cap needs a little touch with a dremmel/die grinder to allow everything to rotate internally without the live brush strap arcing on one of the internal bosses. Make sure you use either the CB900 or CB1100 starters as the CB750 item is supposed to be less powerful.
The YTZ14 battery is pretty much the same dimensions as the YTX9 but 5mm taller, and spins over the 1260cc motors with no problem at all whether cold or hot, and fire up is almost instantaneous, I run them on all the bigger motors I build along with the Honda starter motors, it gives the starter clutch rollers a much easier time of it as these are the weak point especially with a battery or starter motor that is weak.

[kiwi kdx]

Hmmmm looks like i dont even need a Turbo then, well no one ever really NEEDS a Turbo....
you sure do know ur engines huh dynomutt!!!

i have just had a chance to quicklly mock up my spare wheels to the forks and mount the calipers
to check spoke clearance and fuk its tight! i hear an ever so tiny metallic scrape when i spin the wheel, but it should be fine
as my main set have a slightly smalled diamiter spoke and i can take a smidgen off the caliper if i need to,
but i rekon just removing the paint would be enough to clear it.

BY AN ANT'S DICK!!!!!
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[Dynomutt]

I'm glad you've shown that as I was intending to use Ducati spoked wheels with GSXR K series radial forks, which are 207mm centres rather than 210mm centre of the Kawasaki forks. I may well use Slingshot 750 yokes and K series radial forks, the slingy yokes are 214mm centres, and with a 3.5mm spacer behind each disc that would give the clearance over the spokes, I will also check the thickness of my Brembo HPK radial calipers as I seem to think they are thinner than the Japanese OEM calipers.

[kiwi kdx]

i would go the slingy's for sure if they are 214mm! im using 05 Z1000 yokes and they are also 210mm, with Gixxer radials.
it would be great to have that extra 2mm each side, but with my smaller diamiter spokes and if i shave a couple of mm
off the calipers (I should have enough meat to play with) I rekon ill be alright.

what are ur thoughts on shaving the caliper a Li'l bit?

[Dynomutt]

Shouldn't be a problem, I shaved the rear of the calipers when I ran a Slingy 3.5 inch wheel in RGV250 forks as the spokes were a little fatter and I needed a couple of mil' clearance.

[ozzy1100]

i havent found the pics i was looking for but remembered the you tube stuff i did about machening the arm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF_ykCFze6o&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4shSYxSz2o&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF_ykCFze6o&feature=relmfu
hope this helps there is a old post about this somewhere

[ozzy1100]

shit one wrong there this is the first bit where i took down the face

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcY_GKH14jw&feature=relmfu

[kiwi kdx]

That's a pretty cool little tool ya got there..... I like it!

[ozzy1100]

just a bit of pg bar and a battery drill but works well i think

[kiwi kdx]

yeah she works a treat all rite!

[BANDITROD]

ya just couldnt help yourself hey jarrod nice profile pic lol ya teasing fucker

[ozzy1100]

that he is lol

[kiwi kdx]

what....... i thought it verry fitting.

[Fight_fan]

This build is gonna be rad! Will be keepin a close eye on this one mate!

[BANDITROD]

it is mate im just jelous

what....... i thought it verry fitting.

[kiwi kdx]

so i was hunting through a few builds for engine inspiration....... and came across this!
now this guy was getting heaps of shit for what he has done, but i rekon it looks pretty cool
and sure is different!!!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/044ti.jpg

[MattyDucati]

Looks like it was ment to be

[Dynomutt]

Oilcooled motors in Zed frames never sit right, the oilboilers are much shorter front to back than the Zed lumps, and end up being pushed forwards to get the headers through the downtubes, which leaves the front sprocket too far in front of the swingarm pivot, which in turn fucks up the chain tension under suspension movement. Mark over at Moorespeed has just slotted a ZRX1200 lump into an old Zed frame and it fits much better the the oilcooled lump does, even the SV1000 rad he has used doesn't look out of place.
On another note the Z1260 lump I have just built has been on my dyno today and is currently producing 126.5bhp and 71lb/ft of torque, a little more tweaking should see close to 130bhp from the old girl, the same spec motor built with the later Unitrak head would easily see in excess 130bhp as the GPZ11A head flows much more than the early head does.
The shafty frame will also easily accept the Triumph singlesided swingarm, although the wheel needs spacing 10mm to the right, the arm has space either side of it. I have a couple of shafty frames here, I did look at dropping the Triumph arm into it, but then got distracted with something else, so I never got around to it. The other advantage of the shafty frames is the diameter of the swingarm pivot which is only about 16mm on the chaindrive frames and much larger on the shafty frame which makes it much easier fitting later arms without the need for tophat sleeves to reduce the pivot diameter of the arms.
As for the ride height, get yerself a stepped top yoke made, you can extend the radial forks internally by about 30mm with an extension to the damper rod and a spacer on the spring, but any more and the stanchion drops out of the top bushing. ABE will manufacture longer stanchions if required, but then you end up with the front end looking like a dirtbike.
From memory one of the blade top yokes is stepped and is 210mm centres same as the ZX6R/10R yokes, with the blade top yoke and an internal extension you should gain around 50mm on the front end.
I run GSXR K series radial forks in my Z/GPZ1170 MadCow which has dropped the front down, I run an Akrapovic 4-2-1 pipe from a B12 which I modded to fit which tucks tight to the sump and improves ground clearance over using a 4-1 stacked collector.

[kiwi kdx]

aahhh of corse the headders! i was wondering why they had tilted the engine so far forward...
why would you not just re-do the headders?

anyway the more i think about it the bore i dont want an oil boiller, its gotta be air cooled!

and Dyno, im against SSSA's with a passion! not that there is anything wrong with them, they look good.....
but its as though anyone who modifys a bike throws a SSSA in it, and thats fine its there bike but its is now just waaay to common for me. "IF EVERYONE HAS ONE , I DONT WANT ONE" ............ just sayi'n

[xa-mont]

you're such a hipster.

http://2damnfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Hipster-Band-Hopes-To-Make-It-Mainstream-One-Day.jpg

[kiwi kdx]

fuk id so be the keyboard legend!

[kiwi kdx]

small up date, now have a ZX636 rear axle, same length as the R1 so will fit the swing arm once i get some bigger blocks and same diamiter as Ducati wheel bearings (25mm)

im going to have to have some wheel spacers made for width, but also stepped so they bush the swingarm holes
and caliper mount bracket
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120615_174116.jpg

[Dynomutt]

You'll have a right fiddle fitting them if the slide into the swingarm slots. You'd be better off having new chain adjuster blocks done to sit into the slots from the outside.

[kiwi kdx]

ill just get some spacers made to fit inside the slide hole in the swinger on the drive side and inside the caliper mount and swinger on the brake side, yeah it will be a little bit more fiddly to take the wheel on and off, but no huge drama.

i havent measured the lenghts of the spacers yet but here's what ill be doing:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/rearspacers-1.jpg

[xa-mont]

give us a yell if you want em made up for you... i'm all lathey and shit nowdays :P

[kiwi kdx]

oh sweet!!! as soon as i get my wheels back ill get the lengths measured up and come annoy you!

[xa-mont]

i don't live there anymore though :P I live in Bairnsdale now, but i'll be getting down that way a bit. just send me those pics (but with lengths) and i'll make em for ya out of 4140 steel (chromoly) for a few beers.

[kiwi kdx]

sounds good to me!!!

[wackyrider]

I might start annoying you for some material Trav. :)

[kiwi kdx]

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!! Picked up my frame today, thanks again Red, I'm good as with directions huh.......
Ans also thanks to Peter for the frame(I'm sure he'll be a new member here once he works out the computer)

This thing is gonna be SEXY! I set the R1swingarm in place to have a look.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120619_131408.jpg

I have also had a bit o f a measure up.....

The ST's don't have a swing arm pivot bolt due to being shaft drive and she's a wide frame!
So I was thinking I would have to have a piviot bolt machined, but the bolt needs to be 27mm diameter and 355mm long so if I find a rear axle the same diameter or bigger than the R1piviot bolt I can get that turned down and ream the pivot holes in the frame if I have too.

[ozzy1100]

its easy just to sleave the arm and run the smaller bolt

[kiwi kdx]

Haha yeah easy as if you have your owm lathe.....

THIS I FOR YOU STIFFIE!!!!
120 front, 190 rear.
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[Pab13]

I love those wheels mate and where your build is going

[kiwi kdx]

Thanks mate, the wheels have been my pet project for a while now its great to see them with rubber on!

[Deano]

will be interesting to see how you are planning to get the wheel out with those stepped spacers.

i would go with different spacers as dynomutt mentioned.

[kiwi kdx]

the spacer on the drive side sits outside and hub and seal, so once the axle is removed its free to slide forward
when that is out the whole wheel and right side spacer can be moved to the left and out of the swinger slot.

it will be a bit fiddly but no worse than any other wheel.

[kiwi kdx]

verry small update, after messing around with bearing sizes for the last week i have ordered a R1 swingarm internal sleeve.
the R1 swinger has 3 bearings in the piviot all with different O.D's.... fucking nightmeare!!! so with the sleeve ill just run the original bearings and the sleeve will get everything to a common size!

[Dynomutt]

I seem to remeber the middle bearing being a needle roller bearing on some of the R1 rear wheels, which can be a pain in the arse when trying to use different spindles. The GSXR K series rears are pretty easy to swap bearings out on, with a 6304 bearing to drop to a 20mm spindle.

[kiwi kdx]

The wheels are easy Im running the standard Ducati wheel bearings
With the ZX636 axle, it's thawing arm pivot that has been the pain I the ass!
But with the sleeve it will be a lot easier.

Thought I'd throw the back wheel on for a look.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120626_094551.jpg

Looks like I'll have plenty of clearance.
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120626_094640.jpg

[Dynomutt]

Ya gotta love those old shafty frames, so much room to fit modern stuff into them. I have a couple of the Z1000ST frames sat here waiting for me to get around to doing something with them. even the wide Triumph arm goes into the shafty frame without any drama, other than a couple of spacers, and one to centre the rear wheel.

[kiwi kdx]

Mate!!!! i wish i had a couple of them tucked away!!!

[kiwi kdx]

I have moved the stickers on the rear wheel after seeing this pic.
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[ALBI]

are you going to brace the frame ???

just remember that th GSthou won the ama in 78/79

it had the steering head braced and frame supports aswell!!
and i know from when i had my z1000 A1 77 model the frame looks like an bicycle frame!!

[kiwi kdx]

yeah the frame will be getting some bracing once i get it rolling, ive heard these things have a lot of flex in them...

[stiffsimon]

Nothing wrong with a bit of flex.To my mind I like a bit of flex. Not only does it give some "character" to your bike it's in the keeping of an oldskool muscle bike.It's particularly nice in long fast third and fourth gear sweepers, gives you a sense of er FAAAARK ;) Who wants absolute clinical and precise rigidity that these modern beam frames offer? If you want that buy a modern bike. Just my thoughts.
Apparently Rob Phillis' Katana isn't braced.

[kiwi kdx]

haha well that would save me some work.....

saw ur engine Stiffie..... JELOUS!!!! Rex does amazing work!

i also picked u a swingarm piviot out of a 2010 CBR1000 yesterday, it is the only one long enough and even with that one i need to mill 8mm off each side of the frame.

i also need to throw it on a lathe and take it from 25mm down to 22mm,only thing is its a hollow bolt so ill need to check the wall thickness will still be ok once done.

[stiffsimon]

Yeah the old buggers got some pretty cool stuff at his place and some pretty cool people just seem to walk in there. I'm currently in Oakleigh with my Speed Triple frame and swing arm at a place called Arvex to get powder coated. Have you heard of them or if they're any good

[kiwi kdx]

yeah u never know what you will see when u walk into his shop.

nope havent used them just:

coburg powder coaters - total fuck bags!!!!!

raglan powder coaters - cheap as!!!! but can be a bit rough...

[kiwi kdx]

how about some help with seat/tail ideas????

i have decided i want to stay with the old skool muscle look, but at the same time i want
to make it look and be a single seater...

and deff not Cafe style!!!

[BANDITROD]

old z tails are pretty popular mate

[nemo]

Whatever this tail is.. do it! :D
http://i.imgur.com/xNECi.jpg

[kiwi kdx]

haha that thing is HORN!!!!

tail is still a bit too Cafe racer for me tho..

but i will steal their kick stand idea!

[kiwi kdx]

i had a play with a Daytona 675 tail, with the undertail exhaust system but it still looks too modern i think.....
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/675tail.jpg

[stiffsimon]

Zedbutt.

https://3471fd97-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/unatecgbbo00/motorcycle-bodywork/kawasaki/25112010455.jpg?attachauth=ANoY7cp1uUQ5YFfT9khqqEc MYMK3-BONpHRKGyJn7DjFTMUY4xWq1eA_hdvtBd4hrMUYGHP2rcp6fTp 0XB_hheMHLKjE5PesO5K2xoYeGkIz4fDgBSP_LvVSZt5rqWbby u0deU5b7IwqoX7w588y5GhiV85an393Qsk7dRe53Lqcb083qTB OJ3WwAFHSY62OiCGdBwjt4xsRopHRBjSwqzwnawn1Rf1Kud8I3 bZ6QUS3FGuwqEy1PQBYmfajyZ9F5p1EDssvlVCK&attredirects=0

[kiwi kdx]

looks like the Z650 tail???
not a fan off the upward scoopy bit ( FUK IM FUSSY)

[stiffsimon]

It is a Z 650 tail but not up swept. Personally I think that it would fit right in with the Oldskool look and it's manufacturer specific too. Just my thoughts though. I also don't like that 'kin horrible sticky uppy Germanesque look PUKE.

[kiwi kdx]

maybe a ZRX1200 could be a good compramise???
still has that muscle bike seat.... and is a little bit more modern.

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/2003-Kawasaki-ZRX1200Rb.jpg

[kiwi kdx]

yes.... yes i think this could be respectable!

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/concept1-3.jpg

[stiffsimon]

Nah this what you want to put on it mate. Available on Evilbay

250912215223

[Gix11]

I'd go small, stumpy and square like a GS 750 tail piece to keep it in the era and still look tidy.

1822

[K6Thou]

^^^ I concur.

[ozzy1100]

i dont think the twin shock gpz unit wouldnt look to bad
that or a zephyr 550 unit or modern cb400 unit

[kiwi kdx]

Hmmmm I do like the GS tails....
But will it look too stumpy?

[Gix11]

Dummy up a photo for yourself and see what you think.

[kiwi kdx]

The posty has just dropped in....... gave me a nice shiny 09 R1 shock and linkage:

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120711_164007.jpg
and a 09 R1 rear caliper setup:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120711_164100.jpg
and some R1 switchblocks:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/20120711_164121.jpg

[kiwi kdx]

im a little bored at work, so i thought i would tidy up my photoshop effort a bit:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/finalconcept-1.jpg

[Dynomutt]

What about using a 550 Zephyr which are a bit neater than the ZRX11/12 and not as bulky, they're very similar to the ZRX400 tailpiece, in fact the seats are identical it is just the plastics which are slightly different or if you want a rounded Z900 looking style the 750 Zephyr.
A single seat with the Z1000J/Z1100R tail piece works well, the spondon ally framed Zeds that have been done recently use the same seat rig, look at the satin black one that is in the Zed section gallery.
On the MadCow I have the Unatec 650 Zedbutt which works well with the Z1R small tank, Unatec also do a Z900 style Zedbutt and seat pad.

[kiwi kdx]

yeah i guess the tail will be a bit of trial and error....

i deff dont wand the z650 tail, im just not a fan, and something about the Zepher tail dossent sit
with me. i think its coz they sit so low, but in saying that i like the Z900 tail which also sits low....

i do like the idea of a nice chunky tail on this build, as all of my other builds have been modern sports bikes
with tiny pointy tails (RC8 and similar).

i have found the ZRX tail and seat going cheap so ill grab it, throw it on and see how it goes and if its not rite
im sure someone will want it.

[kiwi kdx]

ok i think i have found all my marbles again.... and will stick with the GPZ1100 B1-B2 bodywork!
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg173/d21terrano/finalconcept.jpg

[Gix11]

Perfect!

[whale]

1890

What about using the standard tail but shortening it up like this GSX

[stiffsimon]

Spot on mate. Those early twin shock B1 and B2 GP zeds were the epitome of big bore muscle bikes.The right choice sir.Not quite as muscley as early Zook GSX'es you understand but close enough :cool:

[kiwi kdx]

you might be onto something there whale it could loose a few inches!

and simon it may not be as tough as an old GSX but the wheels will make up for it in coolness.......:p:p:p

[ALBI]

loose a few ?? we here want more inchs?? well thats wat the wifes want !!

[kiwi kdx]

Haha.... If only it were as simple as taking them off the bike and then slapping them where they r needed!