MV Brutalle 1090RR or Yamaha FZ1N ???

[Tomac]

Iv got a bit of a thing for Italian bikes, Ducati are way out of my budget, but the MV, might be just within my reach next year, or do I get a Fazer this year knowing that I'll spend shit loads on it (because I carn't leave anything stock) & regret not just getting the MV. This will be my first road bike & it needs to be my daily ride & do some touring on week ends.

Whats your opinon of the two ?

[BANDITROD]

buy a suzuki

[K6Thou]

buy a suzuki

Biased mofo aint ya ??

[BANDITROD]

yep

[Tomac]

I do like the look of the Bandit but like the Fazer, I'll change alot of shit & at 250kgs it could use a diet too.
How much HP do they have ? At just over $12.000 the're certainly worth concidering.

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/bikes/road/sport-sport-touring/2011/bandit-1250.html

[K6Thou]

Would a B-King be worth considering ??

[Tomac]

I didnt know what a B King was so I googled it. Except for the pipes out the back I like it & then I found this pic1643

I wouldnt mind parkin that in the shed. Whats the specs ?

[Tomac]

I found the specs but it dosnt say how much HP or kW

http://www.globalsuzuki.com/motorcycle/moto/street/gsx1300bk/spec.html

It looks fuckn sweet

[Tomac]

Hellyeah, 181 HP, I likey.
http://www.bikez.com/motorcycles/suzuki_b-king_2012.php

[BANDITROD]

yeah mate Bking for sure

[RevHead]

B king ,basically a naked busa with a diff gearbox ,more grunt then ever, mate you know you want it

ive spent 2x years chasing a b,king all over the snowies without a hope of catching till this year,lol

[oldskool]

Buy a suzuki!

[Tomac]

So what your saying is, I should buy a Suzuki.

[K6Thou]

I think thats what Dylan meant...:p

[BANDITROD]

yep suzuki for sure

[RevHead]

suzuki,

[JDinOZ]

pfff... now to answer your question. Go the MV mate, it will be a beautiful italian bike thats got a lot of power and you won';t see someone else with the same bike very often. Seriously look on this site everyone. how sexy is that bike?! sexier than a Bking thats for sure ;-) Btw check out the F3 in white as well, good track bike ? http://www.mvagustaimports.com.au/

[BANDITROD]

why pay 20k when you could spend 10k and then do mods

[K6Thou]

why pay 20k when you could spend 10k and then do mods

2nd that.

[RevHead]

2nd that.

mate i 3rd that

i sat on a brutalle at the dealer up here, yeah there nice and yeah there are not many on the roads,but lets take into account services ,and say it fell over ,you know the old stand into the tar ,if it breaks a lever they write the thing off ,give me a jap bike which is cost effective in so many more ways then having a bike like this

and a big for instance ,a bloke riding with us a few weeks back stepped of his aprilla tony ,,and it broke his left hand clip on and clutch lever and had grass scatches on the plastics on the left ,its now a stat write off,,fuck it broke $100 in parts and scratched the clear ,lol, but bc it came from over there ,everything is worth a zillion $

[Tomac]

why pay 20k when you could spend 10k and then do mods
Thats my problem, If I get a fazer, Bandit or Bking I'll be adding something to it every few months (Brembos, ohlins, Marchesini, carbon & any other shit I can think of). If I get the MV I'll get a belly pan & throw a pipe on it, it already has all the good shit that Im after. It comes down to a 20k jap bike or a 20k itialian bike, I could have a jap bike in 3 to 4 months or get the MV in 12 months. You can put lip stik on a pig but its still a pig:D

[BANDITROD]

lol you cant polish a turd but you can roll it in glitter

[oldskool]

So what your saying is you want to buy yourself a streetfighter. Mmmmm
Got to be more reasons why there are not many on the road 20k is much of a muchness for a new bike these days.

[Tomac]

Dont get me wrong, I love jap bikes, there great value for money, witch leaves you with plenty of room for mods but then theres the other end of the spectrum... Ducati (streetfighter). They look good, sound good, charge like a bull with his balls tied but you (almost) see one on every corner. MV is somewhere in the middle of all of this, its an italian through bred with jap bike performance & its 7k cheaper than the Duke. Its still a lot of money but I think I'll be satisfied with my purchase. I must admit that if I get a Fazer or Bking, half the fun is the mods, somehow I just dont think my wife will under stand:rolleyes:lol

[Tomac]

Asian Hooker or Italian porn star ?
Fazer, BKing & Brutalle

[ozzy1100]

the brutalle is one of my fav looking bikes

[oldskool]

Dont get me wrong, I love jap bikes, there great value for money, witch leaves you with plenty of room for mods but then theres the other end of the spectrum... Ducati (streetfighter). They look good, sound good, charge like a bull with his balls tied but you (almost) see one on every corner. MV is somewhere in the middle of all of this, its an italian through bred with jap bike performance & its 7k cheaper than the Duke. Its still a lot of money but I think I'll be satisfied with my purchase. I must admit that if I get a Fazer or Bking, half the fun is the mods, somehow I just dont think my wife will under stand:rolleyes:lol

So I was on the money about buying a fighter like bike, mybe net rider is more the forum you are looking for.
Just because the Ducati is called a streetfighter it doesn't make it one, if your woman doesn't understand lay out a budget, if it's Italian you want streetfighter one because a streetfighter is a modification not a brand name.
Oh and every fighter I have built is a porn star a packet streetfighter would be the whore.

[Redmohawk]

Fighters are "Built not Bought"

[RevHead]

Fighters are "Built not Bought"

when you cant find it ,build it.

[Tomac]

Fighters are "Built not Bought"
Now you got me thinkn about a Fazer again (Im a Yamaha guy), I could get it sooner, ride it for a year & then slowly add the bling (so my wife dosn't notice lol). The biggest thing I find appealling about the MV & Duke is the single sided swing arm, can that be done to a Fazer ?

[oldskool]

Anything can be done and has been.

[wackyrider]

If you're a Yamaha man, then buy yourself an R1 and fighter it. More power than the fazer. Single sided s/arm can be done on any bike, some might require more work than others. It also all depends on how handy you are with tools.

My current project is a long termer. K4 Gixxer thou which I'm fitting an MV Brutale tail, custom triples and wanna make a billet Single sided s/arm.

[wackyrider]

Where abouts are you located in Melbourne?

[Tomac]

Cranbourne, I like the sound of your project.

[wackyrider]

Bit far from where I am (northern suburbs). But few people on here would be willing to help out if needed. Anything from ideas to helping out hands on. You could also pay someone to do the work for you if you are that way inclined.

The main thing of Streetfighters are as the others said 'Built not bought'. If you ever need any help, there's plenty of people with opinions on here, some you may agree with and others not.

[Tomac]

I like the thought of turning this into a streetfighter, its already got ohlins front & rear
http://www.bikesales.com.au/private/details/yamaha-yzf-r1-2008-12123268?PriceTo=1554&__Nne=15&__Ns=p_IsPoa_Int32|0||p_RankSort_Int32|1||p_HasPho tos_Int32|1||p_Make_String|0||p_Model_String|0||p_ YearMade_Int32|1||p_PriceSort_Decimal|1||p_PhotoCo unt_Int32|1&__Qpb=1&__sid=12D1A16EADE8&__N=1432 604 1430 1429 1626 1428 4294967267 4294967202 1554 82 (http://www.bikesales.com.au/private/details/yamaha-yzf-r1-2008-12123268?PriceTo=1554&__Nne=15&__Ns=p_IsPoa_Int32%7C0%7C%7Cp_RankSort_Int32%7C1%7 C%7Cp_HasPhotos_Int32%7C1%7C%7Cp_Make_String%7C0%7 C%7Cp_Model_String%7C0%7C%7Cp_YearMade_Int32%7C1%7 C%7Cp_PriceSort_Decimal%7C1%7C%7Cp_PhotoCount_Int3 2%7C1&__Qpb=1&__sid=12D1A16EADE8&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201626%201428%2042949 67267%204294967202%201554%2082)
What would I get for the fairings & the other shit I dont want ?

[wackyrider]

Check on ebay what they are selling for

[oldskool]

Im in Frankston.

You will get something cheaper than that with some cosmetic damage.

[Tomac]

Im in Frankston.

You will get something cheaper than that with some cosmetic damage.
Where do I go to find a damaged bike ?

[BANDITROD]

auctions or have a look on ebay search for unfinished project or damaged motorbike

[Tomac]

Cheers
Iv established that I want a 2004 model or newer because I like the pipes under the seat. How do you insure thease bikes after all the mods you've done ?

[Tomac]

Whats something like this worth ?
http://www.pickles.com.au/cars/item/-/details/05-11--Yamaha--YZF-R1--Motorcycle/1252295902

[BANDITROD]

yeah alot of blokes use shannons for insurance and as for that bike make sure you go for something that is not a stat write off it doesnt say anywhere on that listing so i would be asking a few questions first

[Tomac]

Thanx for pointing me in the right direction, as soon as I get my tax return I no what Im looking for.
cheers

[BANDITROD]

happy to help

[Tony Nitrous]

B king ,basically a naked busa with a diff gearbox

B-King has 100% same motor internals as the later Gen2.
Difference is only in the airbox / exhaust and ECU externals.
They use the same gear box, only difference is the finish
or coating on some visible parts.

The B-King only shares the Gen2 Busa's engine, wheels,
forks, brakes and a few minor parts, the fact that the B-King's
longer, heavier, and has a smaller tank range and is not great for
pillions means that a naked Busa would be a better bike in some ways.

[MTBEERWAH]

I`ll throw a cat amongst pigions,

have you thought about the new Aprilia Tuono V4 R?

I took one of these for a ride last week for just over half an hour...fuck I love this thing. I rode the old v twin a few years ago, and didn`t think much of it,and wouldn`t have given them a second look.

I originaly went in to test ride a Bking..and did, heaps of low down torque...yeah but! Then the sales bloke said "go for a ride on the Tuono and cane it for half an hour" SO I DID.. I wouldn`t even look at a Bking anymore after being on this thing. Almost 170hp,nimble,well ballanced,comfortable,sounds awsome,looks good(IMO) No its not a street fighter,but a factory naked..but another thing to look at if your looking at the Brutale.

[Tony Nitrous]

One of the Guys I ride with has the Aprilia V4,
well, i think he does, the dealer see's more of it than he does.

Its a lot more "nimble" than my naked Busa or B-King but mine
have a LOT more K's and abuse without giving me any drama's.

There's some great sporty nakeds about but if you like big ponys
and want to find some more, or want to chop it about, go Suzuki.
If your a Coffee Club rider and think "fragile" means "special" go Italian.
Dont like Suzuki's ? The new Z1000's nice and go's real well.

[MTBEERWAH]

One of the Guys I ride with has the Aprilia V4,
well, i think he does, the dealer see's more of it than he does.

Its a lot more "nimble" than my naked Busa or B-King but mine
have a LOT more K's and abuse without giving me any drama's.

There's some great sporty nakeds about but if you like big ponys
and want to find some more, or want to chop it about, go Suzuki.
If your a Coffee Club rider and think "fragile" means "special" go Italian.
Dont like Suzuki's ? The new Z1000's nice and go's real well.

as much as i`d like the aprilia v4..its italian, now whats that really mean, well i`ve never owned an italian bike so can`t comment on reliabilty, only hear say,and it seams to be a common note that they live at the shop, but like i say...hear say

[Tony Nitrous]

My Busa missed a couple of services,
did a 2000k 3 day ride with a pillion,
had dozens of Sunday run's chasing sportsbikes,
went into a couple of dyno comp's,
and still ran 20+ low 10 second runs !!!

The last Italian bike I tried ( Ducati )
I killed it 15 minutes into a test ride.
Bent the chain adjusters and returned it with
the wheel out of line.

Personal choice. I know mine.

[MTBEERWAH]

aahhh..how did you do that?

[Tony Nitrous]

aahhh..how did you do that?

I got load's of sh*t for abusing their demo bike.
(maybe I was a little heavy handed)
Later found out through the trade that a few others had done the same and
that Ducrappy had changed the chain adjusters to better spec free of charge.

Was on a recent ride where a Duc cooked its battery and another local
rider "Chris" just got his near new Aprilia RSV4R back after a full engine rebuild.

[MTBEERWAH]

mmmm..italian hey!!! well.. i like some of their women

[RevHead]

as Tony stated its personal choice, Suzuki build some of the best products on the planet,my busa has 106k on the clock and is still as strong as, 99% of european bikes are hand grenades ,or ticking bombs, parts cost way to much ,and there not a good as there portrayed, i know this will fire up the Italian purist here ,but really ,how much does it cost to get your bike serviced by a dealer ,
also ,when you visit a european bike dealer, BMW excluded ,it like your walking into a fucking museum ,its cold and your not welcomed,or aloud to touch anything ,you walk into a jap bike dealer ,and they want you to touch and ride to buy.

[Tony Nitrous]

I didnt know what a B King was


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FwiS49x83o&feature=player_embedded

[MTBEERWAH]

tipically your right with the touch thing,but wasn`t the case with the aprilia i just rode,only because the agent was first and foremost a suzi dealership,and had taken over the aprilia line. i`ve got a bandit,and now have 148000k`s on it,and bought it 8yr ago with 6600k`s on it,and still going strong,not as strong as new,but still faultless

[RevHead]

well with performance and reliability from your bandit why would you bother changing brands ,go the Bking ,there mental bikes .

[JDinOZ]

Actually I take back what I said abut buying the brutale, wait a little bit longer and buy the naked S1000RR that just got spied, BMW is bringing it out next year apparently would be a sweet ride

[MTBEERWAH]

well with performance and reliability from your bandit why would you bother changing brands ,go the Bking ,there mental bikes .
i`d never get ride of the bandit..its apart of me,and always will be, i`m always tinkering to try and perfect it for me.. but if looking at another bike,i`d want something exciting. not saying all the main brands aren`t exciting they are,but they are common,and i`d want something different.
to be honest,if norton ever perfect they`re 700cc rotary road bike,that`d be me sold there and then. they tried to bring them back to isle of man with the 588cc,and michael dunlope was to ride it at the 2010 tt,but it had issues. they have been doing alright over the last couple of years with the 588cc,which has about 170-180hp,and the 700cc is supposed to be 200+
personally,i love the sound of it,and it cracks. it`s not a norm,but i suspect it wouldn`t be cheap,and i don`t want it to live at the shop with holes in my pocket, but the key thing here is,if they"perfect it"

[Tomac]

Im liking the newer crossplain R1, love the sound.

[RevHead]

remember the Suzuki RE5, i found a basket case down here but he wants 3k for it so i told im stick it.

[Tomac]

Naked BMW S1000
http://www.bikesales.com.au/news/2012/road/bmw/bmw-s1000-naked-bike-spied-30790

[RevHead]

thats not a bad looking Beemer

[MTBEERWAH]

remember the Suzuki RE5, i found a basket case down here but he wants 3k for it so i told im stick it.
they can sell for alot more than that..something is only worth as much as your prepared to pay