Hades

[Surt]

out of sudden i bought b12 as a two seat daily commuter to pick up sheilas and ride them in my shed lol so decided not to modify anything at least until i finish my other bike projects
no mods no personal name
umm i also promised my gf to teach her ridin a bike but its a tad high and heavy for her (in fact its about 20kg heavier than my home made civic cafe fighter by my feel and to my surprise) so after all i decided to make it lower and lighter just like that
not that i was saisfied with its appearance definitely not the tail section so fuck it to
as well as zorst btw headers weighed in 6.5kg and pipe with silencer just 2.5kg - some aftermarket car's silencer tbe
by now i see two ways to lighten the bike - dropping it down for 50mm by using gixxers forks and gettin rid of steel gas tank and seat with subbie
gunna see how much i save on those hopefully about 10-15kg
later it gunna be turboed and converted to efi
so lets proceed to the evil doin and fistly think of its name
once my previous rides named Pestilence War Famine and Death so naturally Hades was following close behind them
so be it named Hades
let us pray

"over the cold endless
mountain streem
into the dark frozen forest
under the snow coverd trees
through the wintery
whispering winds
great gods of Asgard
guide us through the night
let your ravens fly

lead us through valleys
great gods of Valhalla
guide us through woods
great gods of Valhalla
let your valkyres fly
and let us enter
let us enter thy hall"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUDyzGvW_yU

[Surt]

thats how it was when just bought

http://i40.tinypic.com/30lfos8.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/zlvmt3.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6HMH8sOfGs&feature=endscreen&NR=1

[Surt]

lets start undressin her as u can see there r no filled holes in seat plastic so there really were no handles

http://i44.tinypic.com/2h2pm48.jpg

http://i42.tinypic.com/2yodaf6.jpg

might look well with '92 gsx1100 seat just givin ideas but not for me

http://i41.tinypic.com/33u4p6t.jpg

the forks r removed and will be sold altogether as well as the head lights seat and shit

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qxx854.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLSHXkgMks8&feature=related

[Surt]

forgotten to say the tank and its cover will be sold as well as air box and swinger, every odds and leftovers...
bought today from evil bay an 06/07 gixxer750/1000 complete front end with all the shit levers controls naturally tripples and brakes wheel and fender and 06/07 gixxer600/750 (as listed) complete swinger without wheel and brake
now will have just to wait and to remove the engine and cut of the seat subbie and fab an awesomely light weighed new one and seat and tank whole and lotta fun


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLonp1RQ3bY&feature=related

[Fight_fan]

How much for the headlight brackets brother? Been searchin everywhere for a set like that!

Should be a cool build too! Lookin forward to it!

[Surt]

thanks heaps Lance! i dunno how much it cost when brand new but i'd be happy to get a hundred bucks for mine the worst part is the shippin up to another $100 me thinks
ah if u need just brackets just make em from ally mate, those r of steel

[Surt]

btw can anyone advice me on k&n filters for b12? a direct link on a seppo ebay seller would be a fair go!

[Fight_fan]

thanks heaps Lance! i dunno how much it cost when brand new but i'd be happy to get a hundred bucks for mine the worst part is the shippin up to another $100 me thinks
ah if u need just brackets just make em from ally mate, those r of steel

Yeh true mate, shipping will probably kill it for me.. Thats cool! Should jst make a set I know, feelin like taking the easy way out tho LOL

[xa-mont]

i might have some SV ones that are kinda like that... i'll have a look when i get a chance.

[OLD SKOOL BANDIT]

Hey Surt. Got mine from this dude. Pretty good price and fast delivery.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/K-N-AIR-FILTER-POD-FILTERS-SUZUKI-GSF-1200-BANDIT-96-05-/310220363972?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item483a9318c4

[Surt]

thanks heaps old skool bandit exactly wat i need!

[Surt]

just bought em there for j81.90 shipped wtf
thanks again mate!

[Surt]

Hacked the frame without sentiments or false piety

http://i41.tinypic.com/2nunbo.jpg

Central stand mounts as well

http://i42.tinypic.com/6jg1fb.jpg

as well as some bloody rubber mount

http://i39.tinypic.com/zlys5i.jpg

Now I’ll have to wait for the new susps both front and rear to arrive from usa 3-4 week I reckon

[Surt]

Now look at the tank, there r bloody huge holes between it and frame

http://i41.tinypic.com/dq3kgw.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/52m0rs.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/xf0wtt.jpg

the new ally tank will follow the frame without any holes and will go down to the rombus being bent like banana so heres onya queenslanders bwahaha!

http://i42.tinypic.com/6icvur.jpg

but naturally i'll have to find a new place for the battery, no big deal cos its gunna be a lipo bat

[Surt]

Well I weighed the odds and bits and heres a bit of trivia lol

couldn't weigh the powerplant at all, believe its about 90kg or so
chopped frame 18-20kg maybe a bit more cos scale im my shed is shite

Well I also have a vintage steelyard over there which is kinda more precise and it told me that
Tank weighs in 5.5kg (not that bad as expected tbh)
Swinger with caliper and adjusters 8kg
Seat with side plastic 3.5kg
Chopped of seat subbie weighs in 6.25kg
Rear fender with blinkers 1.75kg
So the seat with subbie and fender weighs in 11.5kg! plus the stop light about .5kg I reckon, im gunna save on it up to 9 kilos and 2kg on the ally tank we’ll see!

so the days toil is over and we can have a dance now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Pbv3mRCZ37U

[slingy88]

Hi Surt,

Good start mate, and will be following this build closely ;)

[Surt]

thanks heaps slingy kunt stand standarts and normality let the nutterness rage on! is nutterness a word? lol

[damo1]

thanks heaps slingy kunt stand standarts and normality let the nutterness rage on! is nutterness a word? lol

No but neither in kunt!

[Surt]

No but neither in kunt!

another grammar nazi lol

[Surt]

ok, any one knows if b1250 (k7) throttle bodies r direct swap for b12 carbies? r they spaced more even compared to the carbies and is it good idea to use them or better of findin another models tb's?

http://i41.tinypic.com/4lrjn9.jpg

[damo1]

another grammar nazi lol

You asked a question i gave you an answer

[Surt]

twas a rhetorical question, how about the tb's fitting?

[HOS]

Whats the plan Surt ? Turbo ?

The B12 is a good base for a project.

[Surt]

not bloody likely Hos! well actually i have some weird thoughts buzzin in my revolutionary nut like swappin engines with a busa then turboin it... thatd be a real crazy project mate

[HOS]

not bloody likely Hos! well actually i have some weird thoughts buzzin in my revolutionary nut like swappin engines with a busa then turboin it... thatd be a real crazy project mate


You could do summat really fcuked up and put an Onda motor in it? :D :p

Could slam it and stretch it? drag bike style ?

[slingy88]

not bloody likely Hos! well actually i have some weird thoughts buzzin in my revolutionary nut like swappin engines with a busa then turboin it... thatd be a real crazy project mate

DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT ;)


I've been thinking for a while that a Busa lump in a steel frame would make a cool project but i was thinking more oldschool meets new with like a GS1000 or early GSX with a busa lump.

[slingy88]

DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT, DO IT ;)


I've been thinking for a while that a Busa lump in a steel frame would make a cool project but i was thinking more oldschool meets new with like a GS1000 or early GSX with a busa lump.

Oh and when your done, I'll give ya $100 for that useless boat anchor B12 lump LOL.

[Surt]

bahaha thanks for feedback mates already looking for abusa lump the only prob i can see so far is busa thottles r directed upright need to change the direction somehow perhaps u had already thought about it slingy? i kunt really judge until i have the frame and engine side by side
nah Col well just a tad lowered and stretched but still a street scoot

[Tony Nitrous]

Havent measured them up but as you say,
just parking them side by side the Busa frame is wide
enough to take the upright throttle bodies and airbox
but the B12 curves closer over the top of the carbs
and motor. Thinking about it, the real nice Kawabusa
did a ZRX with a Bus lump.

[Surt]

http://i43.tinypic.com/9timtc.jpg

yup i checked up the kawabusa 2 he used elbows to change the tb's direction i'd rather make an ally spacer or else maybe its enough space to set up the tb's as they r originally on busa then use silicon elbows from plenum to tb's?

btw busas engine looks not so tall as b12's er? can anyone measure busas powerplant with tranny? i need to know its width on different levels - head, block, covers, its height and length with tranny

[Tony Nitrous]

Some VERY rough info for you Surt,

The B12 and Busa engines (head/barrels) top ends look similar in width.

The Busa frame is about 100 wider internaly for the head to fit into in.

With both bikes sat side by side the top rails going OVER the bandit
engine are about 150mm higher off the ground than the beams on
the Busa going AROUND the engine. A "Kawabusa" type idea may
be do-able.

Hard to measure Busa lump as head is up in the frame /under the tank.

[slingy88]

http://i43.tinypic.com/9timtc.jpg

yup i checked up the kawabusa 2 he used elbows to change the tb's direction i'd rather make an ally spacer or else maybe its enogh space to set up the tb's as they r originally on busa then use silicon elbows from plenum to tb's?

btw busas engine looks not so tall as b12's er? can anyone measure busas powerplant with tranny? i need to know its width on different levels - head, block, covers, its height and length with tranny

yeah, thats the type of thing. Like you say, very hard to tell untill you get a Busa motor to measure up for yourself. But its alot easier to mod a steel frame than an alloy one so maybe the upper frame tubes can be "blistered" each side to clear the TB's then the rear of your alloy tank can be a hollow dummy to cover plenum.

Or, what about making the plenum and tank combined, so it cnnects straight to the TB's,intercooler core in the fuel tank using fuel as liquid to cool charge, then run a fuel cooler to exchange the heat. Fucking GENIUS.
So it would look like turbo up pipe connected to tank. Wacky. Also you'd get good intercooling as would be like an air water intercooler but without all the extra plumbing. EFI already uses a pump so just a case of putting a cooler in the existing fuel CCT to cool the returning fuel to the tank.

[slingy88]

Or, what about making your new alloy tank strong enough to be a stressed member which bolts into the top of the frame, so the upper frame rails can be completely removed.

Or combining both ideas of stressed member tank with combined plenum/tank design, even if theres no intercooler in the fuel part.

How many more Zaney ideas you want Surt?

[Tony Nitrous]

GSXR1000 into a Bandit ?

Looks like a big chunk of frame's gone from the front ?

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4144/b1000.jpg

[Tony Nitrous]

Busa motor into GSXR1100 ?

http://www.maxpowermotorcycles.com.au/gsx1100-convertered-to-a-1300-busa-motor

[Surt]

yup its the same bike that inspired me

http://i43.tinypic.com/9s5som.jpg

so if gixxer1100 tb's directed the same way like on busa /wat is kinda seen on the pics/ then there must be enough room?
tbh i'd stay with same modest mods to frame so ur ideas of the stressed tank r to radical for me slingy although i luv idea of a monocoque frame
from wat i see the kawabusa tank hangs down way much lower than bandit's so maybe therell be some clearance left for plenum or the upper rails can be really widened along stretching the frame for 80-100mm in length thatd give so needed room for turbo header , ic, water and oil coolers
and me still thinks that bandit's engine is a tad higher than busa's, isn't it???

[Surt]

btw anyone knows a seppo e-bay seller with well organised world wide shipping for bulky parts like engines (up here a busa's naked lump starts from 2 grand bucks)

[HOS]

Liking this more and more.

I can see why they lost the front frame tubes on the B12 frame.
Theres a rad, fan and oil cooler to get in there from the GSXR or Busa lump

[HOS]

There is a guy who put a Busa lump in a Katana 1100 chassis.
I think he has a custom shop in Greece or Cyprus ?

Might give you sdome more ideas about slotting the big lump in a tubular frame.

I am sure you can find it quicker than I?

[Surt]

Liking this more and more.

I can see why they lost the front frame tubes on the B12 frame.
Theres a rad, fan and oil cooler to get in there from the GSXR or Busa lump

i reckon because the tubes r not needed anymore as the powerplant is a carrying /stressed/ element now

[HOS]

Here y'are matey,

GSX1000 Kat with Busa lump. Got some good build photos too.
http://www.motormaniaracing.com/motorcycles_Suzuki_Katana_GSX-mpatsos.htm

[Surt]

thats unfuckin believable Hos 400rwbhp @1bar sounds like very expensive mods completely out of my budget... btw i've recently heard that there's some greek town where the biggest number of lamborginis per 1000 people in the world! in fuckin greece! no wonder they've gone bankrupt the whole bloody cunt'ry! bahaha!!!

[Tony Nitrous]

Thats been on here before. Cyprus not Greece.
More of a frame built around an engine than an
engine dropped into a frame ? Very interesting though.

What if you used/added side rails that went around the motor
over the side casings, like a Harris Magnum, and removed the
bottom under the motor tubes? Put the motor in from below
as on the Busa ?

[Surt]

yup thats exactly wat i mean to do - adding side rails and removing the lower ones and yup limassol is in cyprus but it belong to greece tho half of cyprus is still occupied by turkey me reckons

[Tony Nitrous]

Almost moved to Cyprus.
spent a LOT of time there.

I was just looking through the "Harris" folder.
Removing half the down tubes and the rails under and
then using welded in, outside "over the casing" rails ?

There's a few different ones. I see some are quite
minimal, whilst others have more bracing.

Engine mounts would need some thinking, B12 sits
in its frame, Busa is hung from its.

Interesting.

[Surt]

side mounts r no prob unlike (probably) rear mounts cos its always easier to make smth from scratch than modifying smth given

[HOS]

side mounts r no prob unlike (probably) rear mounts cos its always easier to make smth from scratch than modifying smth given

I like the idea of taking the frame tubes around the outside of the barrels/head which is how the stock alloy beam frame works. BUT as you say when you start taking more away from that relatively spindley B12 frame, you are getting into the territory of building the frame from scratch.

That stock frame is a composite unit and even using the engine as a stressed member, the over all integrity of the frame is still to a degree compromised. The more you remove the more compromised it becomes. Sorry to state the bleeding obvious.

;)

[HOS]

I found a Lambretta with a Busa engine on the interweb !!
:confused:

[Surt]

there was a custom steel framed turbo busa thread on here but since the asf moved on to where it is now everythins fucked up i kunt find anythin... pics in older threads r gone to hell etc... twas large's schismatic thread and i saved the pics from it but my terrabyte disc has fucked up as well... moreover, i've met her builder on arse book but kunt remember his name wtf!!! ahaha!!!
anyway, i remerber the frame by heart and im gunna modify the bandits frame in the mid section likewisep

ps yup i saw that abused lamb awhile back mate

pps wat years busa motor is better for turbochargin? 1st gen me thinks err?

[Surt]

yup ive found it after a few hs search

http://i44.tinypic.com/10h3rwl.jpg

[HOS]

there was a custom steel framed turbo busa thread on here but since the asf moved on to where it is now everythins fucked up i kunt find anythin... pics in older threads r gone to hell etc... twas large's schismatic thread and i saved the pics from it but my terrabyte disc has fucked up as well... moreover, i've met her builder on arse book but kunt remember his name wtf!!! ahaha!!!
anyway, i remerber the frame by heart and im gunna modify the bandits frame in the mid section likewisep

ps yup i saw that abused lamb awhile back mate

pps wat years busa motor is better for turbochargin? 1st gen me thinks err?

A hell of a lot more choice of parts for a Gen 1 motor. Older model, more parts = cheaper.
The Gen 2 they changed the whole works inside.

[Surt]

the whole works? what exactly mate? there r mostly '04-'08 motor kits on evil bay with pretty modest milage

[HOS]

the whole works? what exactly mate? there r mostly '04-'08 motor kits on evil bay with pretty modest milage

They changed pistons, barrels, crank, head, cams, throttle bodies, ECU etc etc the whole works.
The Gen 2 came in during 2009/2010?

Gen 1 early models had a cam chain tensioner recall. They did change the ECU a couple of times during the life of the Gen 1 and some other minor changes, like later bikes have a lambda sensor in the exhaust collector box area which is linked to the ECU.

If you are going with forced induction you will replace the ECU anyway.
I had the first mutli-point USB hub Power Commander in the UK with a lot more programming ability. But Power Commanders have moved on since then.

What do you mean by a motor "kit" on evilsbay? A Turbo kit for the motor? There is only one guy I would buy a ready made turbo kit off.

[Surt]

i mean a complete engine with tbs harness ecu even airbox oil cooler and zorst header... so considering the baby probs buyin '04-'08 motors is a good plan?

[Tony Nitrous]

I had a Gen 2 motor in October 07.
Internaly Gen2 and B-Kings are 100% the same thing.

Gen2 has thiner barrels and titanium valves.
Not ideal for a Turbo. Gen1 barrels will go on a Gen2
and valves are available too. A little more work but a newer motor.
Not sure about turbo use but Gen2/King ECU have made powercommanders
a thing of the past. Anything can be remapped beyond the ability of a P.C.
for a normaly aspirated motor.

Justin is the man to talk to about ECU re-mapping
http://www.woolichracing.com/default.aspx

There are some f#ckin' fast Turbo Gen2's about,
and I know to a 500+hp B-King with the same motor,
have a word with Booster (Greg) who's built and owned both.

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/showthread.php?10119-Boosters-new-project

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/showthread.php?13233-gen-2-busa-B-K-turbo-kit

EDIT: I think Greg has a GT32 turbo for sale.

[HOS]

I had a Gen 2 motor in October 07.
Internaly Gen2 and B-Kings are 100% the same thing.

.


My mate who builds and races drag bikes (ACU) says they aint 100% the same.
Different type and shape of piston, different piston centres therefore different crank. etc etc

[Surt]

i hear ya mate gen2 motors r about 4 grands so beyond my budget anyway so im prowlin around in searches for '04-07 motors shazbot nanu nanu


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQnwXrmp4eI

/kinda like the corrected version hey!/

[HOS]

PM me ya Email addy Surt? and I'll send you some photos of Jase on his B12 drag bike.
He asked me to be his pit bitch, at 7 foot tall who was I to say no ? :D :D

[Tony Nitrous]

My mate who builds and races drag bikes (ACU) says they aint 100% the same.
Different type and shape of piston, different piston centres therefore different crank. etc etc

Busa (Gen2)
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/4154-suzuki-2009-hayabusa-gsx1300r/assemblies/126726

B-King.
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/4472-suzuki-2008-b-king-gsx1300bk/assemblies/126477

[Surt]

looks like u of fucked up Colin! go study the part numbers bahaha!

[HOS]

Busa (Gen2)
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/4154-suzuki-2009-hayabusa-gsx1300r/assemblies/126726

B-King.
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/4472-suzuki-2008-b-king-gsx1300bk/assemblies/126477


So you are showing me a Gen 2 part compared to a B-King part off a cheap parts site?

The B. King motor shared very few parts with a Gen 1 Busa either.

[HOS]

looks like u of fucked up Colin! go study the part numbers bahaha!

Yes I did.

Only I used the official Suzuki parts site and apart from the camchain there are no parts sharing the same part numbers in the top end of the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Busa.

Believe what you want to Surt, I'm outta this thread. Had 5 of em myself and got mates who turbo them and race them. The B.King tony was on about is one of my mates and its a 550 bhp bike.

As I said to you Surt talk to the experts I mentioned or it will cost ya a lot more than money.

[Surt]

no sweat Hos my knowledge on busa and bking stuff equals zero and i usually rely on my on my own experience, rather into accumulating it than into being a true believer in anythin
i wish i could order an already prepared turbocharged busa motor from big cc or still better the whole bike but all i can barely afford is 2nd hand dark horse from flea bay mate

[Tony Nitrous]

Wasnt trying to be a smart arse HOS.
If there are differences between Gen2's and B-Kings i'd like to know too
as I have plan's for mine. Guys who race in the US and guys in the trade
tell me there are not other than cosmetic finish on some exterior parts.
The site's I use list them as being the same.

Your Gen1 / Gen2 comparison is something I havent looked into
other than seeing folk swap the barrels between the two.

I know what you mean about part numbers. I've used Mini parts and
Landrover parts that were the same part with two different numbers and
two different prices! and other dealers listed them as the same.

Im a newbie only on my 3rd.... ;)

EDIT:

So you are showing me a Gen 2 part compared to a B-King part off a cheap parts site?

Yes, not the site I normaly use but it was very early this morning
and I was off to work any minute. I normaly use the "Ronayers motorsport"
site to cross match parts (couldnt remember the name at 6am) but the
results were the same.

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/50/Year/2009/ModelID/8410/Model/GSX1300R/GroupID/403043/Group/CRANKSHAFT

http://www.ronayers.com/Fiche/TypeID/26/Type/Motorcycle/MakeID/2/Make/Suzuki/YearID/49/Year/2008/ModelID/8748/Model/GSX1300BK/GroupID/422569/Group/CRANKSHAFT

Tony.

[HOS]

My mate Jase is one of only a handfull of guys I would let anywhere near any bike of mine.
So from what he has told me about the Gen 2 motor and based on my research of the Suzuki OEM parts site, it confirms the only part with the same number is the camchain.

But hey, you know what parts numbers are like? More so if you ever had a Kawasaki !
No pissing match from me, no worries.

Surt I know you will do the right thing which is find out for yourself and not trust other people. That is the ONLY way :D
Yeah I think we would all love to have the wonga to order one of Seans "built motors" ! Amazing kit ! :cool:

[HOS]

Having gone the boosted route myself and know how they are a money pit.
So what about a big bore kit ? Keep the cost down and get more reliability?

Trying to keep the budget down is bloody difficult !! There is a massive amount of stuff available for the Boosta.
Just considering: a multi stage billet lock up clutch, billet quick-release clutch casing, billet slave cyclinder support bracket, billet clutch basket, bullet clutch hub, new plates, new springs..... can easy total the cost of a complete 2nd hand bike.

[Tony Nitrous]

No stress HOS.

I think we may have been talking about different things.
As I said, I was only compareing Gen2 Busa's and B-Kings,
NOT Gen1 to a Gen2 as you mentioned.

Your Mate with the Drag-Bandit,
Is that this one.....
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3118/drag12.jpg

[HOS]

No stress HOS.

I think we may have been talking about different things.
As I said, I was only compareing Gen2 Busa's and B-Kings,
NOT Gen1 to a Gen2 as you mentioned.

Your Mate with the Drag-Bandit,
Is that this one.....
http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/3118/drag12.jpg

Yeah, I took that photo on my camera ;) I have posted it online before.
At The Pod :cool:

[Surt]

yup me saved the piccie from harry's bang abusa thread... stock frame custom bitubo braced swinga, n/a, how did he make her to cum just for 9s? ah i see the bottle under tail :happy laughter:

NB received the gixxers complete front end today, left leg is fucked up but seller refunded $200 for buying a replacement cheers Jose pics tomorrow

[Tony Nitrous]

The first Streetbike to run in the 7's was Brocks Bandit.
No turbo, a well built motor and a big sniff of NOS.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVFiikvDbc

[HOS]

Surt,

Busa engines are at a premium price everywhere because the car guys want them for race cars.
A few years ago you could pay upwards of £2500 just for a Busa engine. They are very popular for track day cars.
People were buying brand new Busa's, removing the engine and selling the brand new bike minus the engine on eblag for £1200.

[HOS]

Mind you that B12 engine is'nt to be sniffed at.

A mate of mine pulled his Bandit right over mono wheeling like he does all the time.
So when it was mended, he had Straightline Racing rebuild his motor and got him 165 bhp at the rear wheel.
Normally aspirated engine !

I like Suzuke's.

[Surt]

i guess ur right about busa engines Hos cos other motors r pretty cheap there say 06 gixxer liter's is $1000 coplete engine with tbs, wiring, etc
i dont mind bandits lump at all cept 1 thing id wish it has upper mounts to modify the frame gettin rid of front tubes would give me more room for turbo header and other stuff, also the frame design makes not very handy removing and installing the engine or even just headers

[Surt]

Today I piled of shitloads of mud and washed the frame in a satanic mixture of petrol, white spirit and acetone

http://i43.tinypic.com/24fxk5y.jpg

[Surt]

But yesterday like I said I received the complete front end from ’06 gixxer liter $1000 shipped

http://i41.tinypic.com/28by3us.jpg

Would be totally awesome if not

http://i42.tinypic.com/25iqfpz.jpg

Different angle

http://i39.tinypic.com/dbihib.jpg

But I opened the case and drew from the seller $200 partial refund which was spent on purchasing a replacement from another seller ($200.90 shipped lol)

The wheel is gorgeous though esp compared to bandits

http://i43.tinypic.com/skzx9x.jpg

[HOS]

:eek: Kin Ell !
Those forks are hardly "as new" ?
Glad you managed to extact some money back outta the seller.

Mark who did my blower installation had a few Busa engined race cars in his place from time to time.
I was pretty gobsmacked when one guy turned up in his new M5 SMG, got a new V8 Busa mill on a pallet
in the boot and he wants Mark to supercharge it. Turns out the guy has a £350k weekend race car.
A different world mate with those kind of people and big money. Not my style either.
I'd rather have fuck all and some good mates.

[Tony Nitrous]

Mind you that B12 engine is'nt to be sniffed at.
I like Suzuke's.

Very true.

I had Busa numbers out of a B12 motor with Nitrous.
just the diaphram clutches a bit crap, heavy duty springs help.
I know its not comparing apples with apples, but the B12/GSXR11
lump itself has huge potential, just not to a turbo Busa comparison.

There would be something very satisfying about having a killer
oil-cooled Bandit like HOS's mate and being able to hunt down many
of the normaly aspirated Busa's.

[Surt]

not new but listed as ready to bolt on... i believe the best wat u can get for that kind of coin, really no sign of wear on the black tubes no leakin on the seals
didnt bite slingys fishing on a boat anchor either bahaha
maybe it can be hung up by the head's oil stop bolts, where folks usually bolt on sliders? how 'bout this zany idea?
ps happy ozday to all the dinkum ozzies and the land

[slingy88]

Hey Surt,

well, if your keeping the bandit lump, then i have seen a bandit where they removed the stock down tubes and the lower frame tubes and replaced them with ones which came down around the outside of the headers with tubes going back over the engine cases, with a removable front cross member with the engine mounts on.
So rather like a spondon and it looked great. Like you say, no restrictions to header design then and engine can just drop out from under.
I'm pretty sure i,ve also seen a slingshot, think it was a water cooled frame with an oil cooled motor in it, again the front and lower frame rails removed and that had the engine hung from the head oil passage bolts but it did look a but ugly as it all ended up being quite wide at that point compared to everything else, but i suppose it depends largely how you design and engineer it.

[HOS]

Very true.

I had Busa numbers out of a B12 motor with Nitrous.
just the diaphram clutches a bit crap, heavy duty springs help.
I know its not comparing apples with apples, but the B12/GSXR11
lump itself has huge potential, just not to a turbo Busa comparison.

There would be something very satisfying about having a killer
oil-cooled Bandit like HOS's mate and being able to hunt down many
of the normaly aspirated Busa's.

I loved my '99 B12.
Its that Suzuke thing, they are rock solid bikes.

We watched a guy down the Pod a couple of years back with a stocker B12, just added NOS.
He was having a ball !! Low 9s every time. :cool:

As you know Tony, its not what you got, its how you use it.;)

[Surt]

Hey Surt,

well, if your keeping the bandit lump, then i have seen a bandit where they removed the stock down tubes and the lower frame tubes and replaced them with ones which came down around the outside of the headers with tubes going back over the engine cases, with a removable front cross member with the engine mounts on.
So rather like a spondon and it looked great. Like you say, no restrictions to header design then and engine can just drop out from under.
I'm pretty sure i,ve also seen a slingshot, think it was a water cooled frame with an oil cooled motor in it, again the front and lower frame rails removed and that had the engine hung from the head oil passage bolts but it did look a but ugly as it all ended up being quite wide at that point compared to everything else, but i suppose it depends largely how you design and engineer it.

hey slingy thanks heaps for sharin ur life experience bah like i said i'd prefer the 2nd option with oil stops, gunna check em up regarding how deep their holes r, what thread and can it be enlarge, i dont think it'd be fuckin wide as not beyond the engine covers at any rate... if this option appear not reliable to me then i could really make a kinda harris variant with engines front mounts hanging down from lower rails, i can draw wat i mean, guess im better with a frame design than with motors alas hahaha

[Surt]

I loved my '99 B12.
Its that Suzuke thing, they are rock solid bikes.

We watched a guy down the Pod a couple of years back with a stocker B12, just added NOS.
He was having a ball !! Low 9s every time. :cool:

As you know Tony, its not what you got, its how you use it.;)

yup sounds like huge spit of nos is worth turbos in efficiency but im kinda likin the idea of usin wasted fumes for extra power

[Surt]

received the swinger today awesome! weighed in 7.5 kg without hardware and hugger, me thinks bandits custom braced swinger weighs much more

http://i44.tinypic.com/2j6x49.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/121coj8.jpg

ps the b12's stock swinger with caliper and adjusters 8kg, so apparently the both swingers weigh the same but gixxers is naturally more rigid not sying about the look hehe

[Surt]

another happy ideas come in to my head – try and use cbr954 titanium zorst header (2kg) i have had around for 4 ys or so for the project 'stead of the stocky one (6kg), later it can be used for building a turbo header, my mates already used a similar header for makin a custom zorst for his scooter says so far so good
It has 78-83-78 center to center distance between runners, can be changed if needed

http://i39.tinypic.com/r0cvv8.jpg

[Harry]

hey surt what mod's are ya going to do ta get take arm in there ?...when i put the busa swinga in the bandit i widened the frame 20mm. not sure on the difference in width between the busa and the gixa swinga at the pivot point.

[Surt]

just like banditrod said theres a plenty of meat that can be ground of swinger mountin points, i just measure my swinger at the pivot point its 234 (u says b12s 220 and busas 237), so 7mm r gotta be cut of each pivot mount on the frame fuck reweldin it!

btw i thought or someone said that the b12s and gxr600/750 swingers r of the same length, dunno maybe its fair for early years but mine is 660 mm overall length [happy-happy-happy]

ps ive also compared the b12 and cbr954 headers, b12s is about 120mm wider! i'd love to have cbr's engine! well runners r 38mm od for both headers, so i assume theres no obstacle to make cbr header fit on the b12s engine helliluyaah mofos haha

[Surt]

Fetched the bike parts to me work today weighed the frame and engine on good ole scale here r my results
The frame (without the seat subbie) weighs in 19.950kg yup im a perfectionist knob
The engine (with the front mountin bar and a coupla drops of oil inside) is 75.8kg

More trivia or a tucka for brains
B12s swinga pivot od is 20mm and ‘06gixxers600 is 22 (thought ther r the same, fuck up)
B12s rear wheel axle is 20mm and ‘06gixxers600 is 28 (thought ther r the same, fuck up)
B12s frame width at the pivot points is 220.5mm and ‘06gixxers600 is 232.1mm, not 234 as I measured before with a plain ruler
No wuccas already have got an idea how to sort out the buggers just wait and see

Theres no way back the frame is cut apieces bwahaha!

http://i40.tinypic.com/2vtb5dt.jpg
http://i42.tinypic.com/qosnqb.jpg

The bloody frame is utterly overweighed look at the strengtenin triangle, its 5mm steel sheet and theres another tube behind it! Probley I’ll have to cut of the front pipes completely to re do that part of the frame

http://i43.tinypic.com/29c0tjn.jpg

Cut of some more of the shock linkage mount some bloody threaded holes I kunt remember wat were they for probley for the central stand bolts

http://i43.tinypic.com/2m7c9c9.jpg

btw b12 zorst ports r 42.5 while cbr runners r 42.95 wat a bugger, gotta find a way of borin of the ports for .5mm without dissasemblin the engine, anyway the cbr header can be used after some efforts no pain no gain huh

[Surt]

kinda deja vu... removed the oil sump and oil pick up funnel put the frame on the engine nice and easy just for 1min
now its obvious that the front down tubes must be remade completely
tomorrow I also gunna remove all the odd shit welded on frame like hooks, studs, brackets whatever

http://i39.tinypic.com/333lwcj.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/ofuefl.jpg

http://i43.tinypic.com/2lsjlme.jpg

[Surt]

started with the ally fuel tank as well

http://i43.tinypic.com/21d21q9.jpg

666mm long just a coincidence lol

http://i42.tinypic.com/63rf68.jpg

[HOS]

So you need to lose 5.8mm each side to fit the gixer6 arm in the b12 frame.
That aint too bad at all ? :)

[Surt]

yup not bad at all Col, tbh already did that yesterday with an angel grinder, just gotta tidy it up on monday, pics to follow

[mr.zxr]

i love all the frame mods you guys do. theres something about taking to frames with an angle grinder that makes me want to build more bikes.

[Surt]

yup its like fuckin a virgin u can be sure ur the 1st one bwahaha ever tried? sweeeet hehe

[Surt]

about half hour grinding and 15 min more smoothing with files and voila

http://i39.tinypic.com/1z1fv37.jpg

kinda mock up tho cos inner races must be made, btw the stock races r made from raw steel wtf cheap jappo cunts!

3 more hour cutting and grinding and the front down tube cut offs r removed completely

http://i39.tinypic.com/1zb6jo7.jpg

coupla pics more

http://i40.tinypic.com/15s0ndv.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/10rvb7n.jpg

ps if any one kunt get wat i am talking about feel free to ask for elucidations

[Fight_fan]

Dont fuck about do ya mate! Good shit!

[xa-mont]

if only you could run the frame just like that. would look awesome!

[Surt]

Dont fuck about do ya mate! Good shit!

yup Lance i root em all 1 by 1 no vain fuckin around lol

[Surt]

if only you could run the frame just like that. would look awesome!

yeah looks unearthly Trav to good for me tho gonna add coupla bracings here and there

[Surt]

Tryin on the dog bones mighty shorter ones r needed (stock 1s r 180mm center to center and smth like 110+- r needed)

http://i44.tinypic.com/21o5854.jpg

Gonna be more space for an access to the head

http://i39.tinypic.com/k70xh.jpg

Carbs can be removed at ease unlike when they were with the fugly air box

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ql8mtu.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/x3e14p.jpg

http://i41.tinypic.com/wa0nkk.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/1zf3a7a.jpg

[Surt]

Tank front mounts cut of

http://i44.tinypic.com/2z4er6x.jpg