New Project - Piranha Buggy.

[Large]

I've been thinking about a bigger project that involves lots of welding and fabbing for a while now, and recently I decided on a mini buggy. After checking out some forums, I decided to start with the local product, so I ordered the plans and a frame kit for one of these as a Christmas present for myself-

http://www.eziplans.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=17.

They look ok stock, but I've found some that have been nicely modded (more round tube and nerf bars etc)

http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/projects-progress/14929-robs-piranha-build.html

and

http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/projects-progress/15342-i-bought-pirahna-roller-its-wicked-cool-2.html

The Edge recommend 500-750cc moteurs (although they list 1000s and 1100s in the suitable moteur list).

I reckon the CBR600RRRR in my kart would be perfect...but I reckon a ZX12R moteur would be even perfecter although it will require a beefy rear end with CVs etc. I guess it all depends what I come home from the auctions with.

Of course, just after ordering the kit, I found this little beauty, only spoiled by the likely shipping costs-

http://z15.invisionfree.com/MINI_LITES/index.php?showtopic=39.

I have 2 years to finish it or I lose a $100 bet with Ben.



P.S- before anyone starts
1 I'm waiting for another GSX 1400 donor bike to supply an engine for my write off.
2 If I get a 12R, I can use the forks etc to register my ZX12 dragbike one day
3 The RTA have fucked up the whole engineering certification scheme in NSW, so I can't get anyone to look at the ZX10 until the engineers know what's going on. Worst case scenario, it gets taken to Brisbane and registered there.

I'm hoping mine looks something like this-

http://img3.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15368/15368913fd97f1ed9f9ae2370ca6a6a32f9d4889.jpg

[BANDITROD]

do you already have the plans big fella ...i have a mate with them printed and modified for the better if you want i could post them up to ya

[BANDITROD]

the reason he changed the plans is because they way the are they tend to bump steer and can be a bitch handling wise
all you need to do is change the way the A arms are mounted on the front. instead of them mounting them on the same pivot you need to set them up like you would have them on a car .so the wheel travels straight up and down ...i hope that makes sense

[Redmohawk]

Great stuff , I used to play with the Seymour trike and Odyssey club. They mostly ran home build/designed buggies with all kinds of motors from cr500's to 900 firblades 1300 busa motor powered thing was in the pipeline when I left the club. There is a local bloke I've met a few times over the years who builds race cars to order from Toolamba (just up the road from shep) who has put together a few buggies for people based on 1300 busa with 4wd hovering around the 450 kg mark wet one was turboed. Both held several motorkana records over here and NZ.

I'd be taking a close look at your chosen Pirana and chasing up someone with a compleated frame in your neck of the woods , let me be delicate (your a whole lota man) and the pirana is snug with a 6 foot medium build bloke. You might want to do a squeeze test on the standard frame before you commit the plans too steel. The frame should be an easy streach to be a little more accomodating . I have been caught out and I'm only 178 cm and 100kg .

The main reason I got outa the buggy thing was finding somewhere fun and legal to run it , in the end sold it all off and pulled the pin when back to bikes.

[BANDITROD]

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see what i mean here big fella you need to separate these 2 A arms and mount them evenly if that makes sense

[Large]

do you already have the plans big fella ...i have a mate with them printed and modified for the better if you want i could post them up to ya

Hey Rod,

I've got the plans, plus the double A arm rear plans and the double A arm front plans they have on the website. I'm pretty sure the double A arm front plans are designed to do what you said.

Did you have a look at the second link at minibuggy.net?

Somehow he's worked out how to add a trailing/control arm to the the double A arm rear setup. Looks hella cool, but the maths about arcs of movement could be boggling.

[BANDITROD]

ok cool and yeah i just had a look and it cant be that hard just keep fucking around with adjustable rod ends and angles and it will work out the one that sold on ebay recently was my mates it had a k4 gsxr750 in it it had the front A arms set up like the rear is in that link ^^^^^^up there if you wanna know anything just ask away mate i had a fair bit to do with building my mates

[Gitzy]

Oooh Nice one Rich.. Lotsa Pics pleashk.. oh and goofy videos for shizm.

[Large]

Great stuff , I used to play with the Seymour trike and Odyssey club. They mostly ran home build/designed buggies with all kinds of motors from cr500's to 900 firblades 1300 busa motor powered thing was in the pipeline when I left the club. There is a local bloke I've met a few times over the years who builds race cars to order from Toolamba (just up the road from shep) who has put together a few buggies for people based on 1300 busa with 4wd hovering around the 450 kg mark wet one was turboed. Both held several motorkana records over here and NZ.

I'd be taking a close look at your chosen Pirana and chasing up someone with a compleated frame in your neck of the woods , let me be delicate (your a whole lota man) and the pirana is snug with a 6 foot medium build bloke. You might want to do a squeeze test on the standard frame before you commit the plans too steel. The frame should be an easy streach to be a little more accomodating . I have been caught out and I'm only 178 cm and 100kg .

The main reason I got outa the buggy thing was finding somewhere fun and legal to run it , in the end sold it all off and pulled the pin when back to bikes.

Ta for the heads up remoho.

I've ordered a kit of parts- oversized to start and I'm planning on making the buggy fit me. I might make something that I'm too scared to drive but I won't make anything I can't fit in.

[Shadowzone]

Ta for the heads up remoho.

I've ordered a kit of parts- oversized to start and I'm planning on making the buggy fit me. I might make something that I'm too scared to drive but I won't make anything I can't fit in.

If you are too scared to drive the fucker let me know and i'll race it in the Fink Desert Race for ya. I don't give a shit how stupid you'd have to be to drive it. I've always been dumb enough to try stupid shit one more time.

Oh and Rod I'll take a set of those plans if you have a spare?

[El_Hefty]

you need to accomodate a 6'6 bloke at 150kegs in that thing, little man dont make it like the cart.

[BANDITROD]

ill chase them up for ya

If you are too scared to drive the fucker let me know and i'll race it in the Fink Desert Race for ya. I don't give a shit how stupid you'd have to be to drive it. I've always been dumb enough to try stupid shit one more time.

Oh and Rod I'll take a set of those plans if you have a spare?

[Large]

you need to accomodate a 6'6 bloke at 150kegs in that thing, little man dont make it like the cart.

I never said you wouldn't fit in the kart.

[Redmohawk]

We had bloke messing with 5 link rear ends , if you want to see a good one in action look at mid 90's losi Rc car stuff . Hook up alot more power than you'd think over a double A arm setup , think ladder bar drag launches on dirt with 2 foot travel ! Well worth the effort for racing , for play time stick with double A arm simple (cheap) tough and easy to repair !

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/redmohawk1/DSC_0422.jpg

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m591/redmohawk1/DSC_0420.jpg

A double A arm front is a big improvement on the fixed A arm unit on the pirana and not alot more work for a big gain in handeling, with skinny tyres and sand not worth it but for high speed on packed dirt def improvement. Must for racing of any kind.

[JackTar]

I thought you were jobless cuntox, you win lotto or something?

[fimpBIKES]

noice large, definitely go the bigger motor
(and then sell me the 600 cheap)

[damo1]

Nice work Rich- what are you gunna do with the super kart you built?? Just scrap it?

[El_Hefty]

hes like uncle scrooge jacktar, hes got this room out the back and every day he goes 'cash diving' ...

[Large]

Nice work Rich- what are you gunna do with the super kart you built?? Just scrap it?

I don't know yet, I've been offered money for it, by a guy with no money.

The kit is on the way, so I decided to make a seat for it.

http://img7.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15388/15388480bc4b7bbc39fcd5c829a263670b33e81d.jpg

Mark, cut, bend and voila!

http://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15388/15388489e76e03952ddd8199c6fb717ba8848351.jpg

Still got to cut some belt and lightening holes, but the supervisor was satisfied

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15388/15388501d25ba26729536af10958aeb5cf960a97.jpg

I'm not going to do a full build thread- I'll just update every so often...or not.

Blowie, I've been working for a few months now, going back to part time for a few months though so plenty of time to play.

ZX12s and a VFR800 at the auctions tomorrow- do I go sensible or crazy?

[El_Hefty]

crazy of course, theres always throttle stops if you want to wear your skirt

[damo1]

O well there you go all that hard work not gone to waste if you can sell it.

Looking forward to seeing this thing, where are you gonna drive it ?? Just around the compounds of Alla Extreme creations/your abode like your super cart or you gonna hit stockton beach or something??

By the way you got any ZX2's your wreakin at the moment??

[hooligan]

I say go crazy at the auctions too, i've got some vfr parts to get rid of.

[Chase]

Definately go nuts - you want to make sure you get the most of the turbo that's likely to get fitted... :p

[TurboKat]

Be aware Richard, that the classifieds are full of unfinished Pirahna/Edge style buggies & their associated excuses and/or tales of woe, I hope you're not gunna be one of those guys. ;)

Also, if you sell the Kart before I've driven it I will kick you in the nuts, same goes if you take the moteur out.

Get the VFR*, a 12 will never get traction & a V4 exhaust note is the sweetest sound in the world... 'cept maybe for Pussy...

Have you heard that after a while, people start to look like their dog? That Staffy is beautiful so there may be hope for you yet.





*Unless you're planning to race it of course, then go for a 12 motor + Turbo + Supercharger + Nitrous Oxide + Nitro Methane + chrome 4" exhaust tip + Energy Polariser.

[jmw76]

Hey, looks like a fun little project.
My opinion, the bigger the motor the better.

Peter.

[Large]

I thought I bought a ZX12
The cunts can't find the key.
Negotiations are continuing.
The cunts can't find the key
They offered me 600 bux
The cunts can't find the key
I'm holding out for 1000 bux
I hope they don't find the key

[ALBI]

hes like uncle scrooge jacktar, hes got this room out the back and every day he goes 'cash diving' ...

just dont mistake the room for his MASTURBATEITORIUM !!

[RevHead]

hey Rich il give you an L300 motor n box ,lol for free ,

[craig]

I've started a cheap version of an off road buggy. It's not a bad option if you wan't to save time and money up front.

I got a chinese two seater buggy cheap with no motor and a mate gave me an 89 cbr1000f shit box with running engine.

Hope to have it going for aussie day weekend.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/gixer10001/0102-1.jpg

[craig]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/gixer10001/0052.jpg

[craig]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/gixer10001/007.jpg

[Snaffler]

large i just brought some gear of these guys who wreck bikes and are easy to deal with.
they have a few yards of bikes to wreck or sell complete..

www.lookmotorcycles.com.au (http://www.lookmotorcycles.com.au)

and ebay store

http://stores.ebay.com.au/lkbits-Motorcycles?_trksid=p4340.l2563

[Large]

craig that looks dangerous- well done.

Snaffler, thanks for the links, I'll have a look.

My kit turned up today. I've got to build a bench for my lathe this weekend then I can get into it.

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15403/154038919820f8f83d33a7af87c2ed5664402741.jpg

[BANDITROD]

thats cheating .....we made my mates one from scratch ......would have been easier to do what you have done though

[Large]

I've got so many mods planned, I probably wont use half of the bits- at least not in their intended location

[xa-mont]

sick... i'm so keen to see this one!

[BANDITROD]

cool get cracking big fella

[Large]

Got into the seat today-


http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15411/15411545fd3a22e835ef1e7d1ddf6b2f8028091c.jpg

http://img9.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15411/1541152967d27aeb38385bdc32687d4bc64c6b6e.jpg

Then I took a few mm off my fingertip with a cut off wheel.

Memo to self- Wait till wheel stops spinning before adjusting guard.

[BANDITROD]

looking good mate

[xa-mont]

show us ya fingers!

[Large]

So I finished the Lathe Bench.

http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15438/154385245603f6b2e489846b7e4bb322dd656c07.jpg

I made my first jig for the rear swingarms. Looks like were going to be making 2 buggies so 8 arms to make-

http://img0.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15438/1543853097a9068fd1211e66847779b28dc75ff9.jpg

It's only a coupla mill out...

Also got a wider tougher rollbar in cds made up

http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15438/154385352facf0b1c17b94f6bf61314c313bae1f.jpg

btw- It looks like it's going to be TLR powered.

[BANDITROD]

cool and fuck yeah a TLR motor will sound mean as piss and go like fuck too

[BANDITROD]

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not the best pics but this is all i can get my hands on at the moment big fella hope they help

[Large]

Thanks Rod they're great.

[BANDITROD]

still trying to get my hands on the plans for ya aswell ill let you know how i go

[fimpBIKES]

u had a spare tlr motor sitting around?
things things gonna rock

gonna put engine next to u since its a skinny twin?

[pappas]

My mate built this around a subaru turbo 2L boxer motor. He also built a smaller buggy with a home made independant rear end. It had a shaft at the pivot point of the swingarms and had 2 chain drives to each wheel (if that makes any sense). I'll see if I can get him to email me some photo's.

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[Fish]

I've started a cheap version of an off road buggy. It's not a bad option if you wan't to save time and money up front.

I got a chinese two seater buggy cheap with no motor and a mate gave me an 89 cbr1000f shit box with running engine.

Hope to have it going for aussie day weekend.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z444/gixer10001/0102-1.jpg

Hey Craig, what sort of money did that set you back and where do I get one?

[Redmohawk]

Hey Large you got front hubs's/brakes yet ? look

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Edge-Sidewinder-Front-Brake-Assembly-/300654784597?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item46006bf055

[Large]

Hey Large you got front hubs's/brakes yet ? look

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Edge-Sidewinder-Front-Brake-Assembly-/300654784597?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item46006bf055

Ta remoho, I scored them.

[Mishdog20]

Be gentle on the brake lever big fella, a bloke at work was running that setup on his buggy^^^, but kept on snapping the brake lever right where they drilled the shit out of the arm. Might be worth beefing it up a bit, as he is on his third set now.

[Large]

I'm thinking about stepping up a bit and building one of these-


http://youtu.be/GzXVLbs41Ew

[xa-mont]

man that frame is just about the coolest thing i have ever seen!

[Chase]

That shites crazy! You can hear the big brass balls banging together inside the cage

[BANDITROD]

thats fucking awesome now imagine going past him in a pirrana ...now that would be cool

[pav69]

fuck i want one with two wheels that sounds like that

[Gix11]

Wouldn't he do better with nobblier tyres and less revs to get more traction. WTF am I on about? Full on is more fun.

[K6Thou]

Plenty of inspiration here if you're interested big fella.

http://www.offroadfabnet.com/forums/

[Fish]

I feel like wearing a neck brace after watching that.

[wackyrider]

That thing is mad!!!! I want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[craig]

Hey Craig, what sort of money did that set you back and where do I get one?
Hey Fish. Got it and another buggy from ice bear motorsports browns plains. I swaped a 98 ducati 750 in pieces and still on the repairable write off reg. The guy has since finished the bike and it looks bloody good.

[Large]

The moteur turned up yesterday-

http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15541/15541254111604afe061c0d0dfbe1a332b639f37.jpg


Made a couple of rear Arms today-

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/15541/1554125157d3649b0914db6b6f8dac5a1a7e00d6.jpg

[BANDITROD]

good stuff mate

[K6Thou]

What Rod said.

[mozza]

http://hobart.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-cars-vw-buggy-sandrail-W0QQAdIdZ342485140

I don't know anything about buggy's but I found this for sale today and thought it looked really cheap for what it is.

Pretty cool little beast