The new project..

[sharky]

Decided to go way back to the days when S/fighters were just beginning to appear...
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/zfighter.jpg
Big aircooled japs...rigid frames...tuff as fuk......No fancy paint or pretty bling....just down to earth 'fighters..

I'll be using a stock XJR frame and grafting in the swing arm from an XVS650 Dragstar (Cheers Tk ;-) )
Using this instead of the harley arm as its designed to pivot in the conventional place( compared to softails pivotting a lot further back)

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/KGrHqQOKjYE4CWQ-gDIBOL-kLitg0_12.jpg

The cast ends will be replaced with steel plate and have the axle slots/chain adjusters etc added and a new front spindle tube welded on.
Using a mix of parts from Ozzy1100 I'll mock up a front end to match the length of my R1 USD's and will use a 17" R1 rear wheel to get a roller.
When the time comes, and this is gonna be quite a way off...like a year or 2 at least, it will be stripped down, powder coated and my current motor,f/end etc fitted to it.

This should minimise 'off the road' time for me.

Plan is to end up with something like this....
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/echappementmotoYAMAHAXJR1200BOS.jpg

[bladehunter]

Been reading old AWOL mags mate ?

Looking forward to this, sick of seeing too much bling.

[sharky]

Nah mate....just the first few copies of streetfighters
My first bike after getting licence was hardtail XS650 with 840 big bore,rearsets and drag bars :-)

[oldskool]

That would be an awol survival bike not a fighter me ol mucka.
This is where the fighter came from true but a fighter its not, I like you am a big fan of this fine British style of bike modification.

[sharky]

Huh?
Best you read the first 2 or 3 copies of 'fighters mate.....plenty of hardtails in there..
This will have the look but with suspension.
Awol was all Matt black ,sheepskin seats and mad max spikes

[bladehunter]

One of my fave bike ever was in AWOL, red trumpy with a modded craig vetter tank\tail, from memory it was mono shocked with a GPz swinger. I think it was in one of the first five issues.

[kiwi kdx]

Im with you buddy there is far too much bling!!!!!!
But are you sure u dont want to do a single side'd swing arm
Like the rest of the world.......ha ha

[sharky]

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/PROJECTXXX.jpg
This is just a rough mock up to see if it works in theory...next stage is permit to mod frame/arm etc...easy job, just paperwork.
Currently its sitting at approx 1630mm (130mm over stock) which is HD territory (and 3" shorter than a V-rod). This will be dropped to approx 100mm over when the build starts.This is just a rough mock up to see if it works in theory...next stage is permit to mod frame/arm etc...easy job, just paperwork.
With the arm at stock bike length its too stubby..
We (Ozzy1100 and I ) will be making a jig for the swingarm first and foremost before anything major is done.

Big Thanks to Jim and Darren for collecting/delivering the frame and arm

[ozzy1100]

lol easier to get a look at it here than phone pic old boy
that bottom arm on swing looks great in line with the frame rail and top looks to be about right so i think we use that as the ref (allowing for sag)
then i think u decide on ride hight useing front as ref and then we change pivot and rear wheel center to suit
i think u need tank on and riding pro as u saying, before you dicide on wheel base and just pick best comp between all factors
i have just thought of a few things that u prob wont like the thought of lol ill give u a bell after xmas
must say when u started to talk about this i thought wtf are u on lol but like the one u just finished the more i look at it the more i like yr wacky style and if i can get that stuff i was telling u about for jigs this is fucking going to rock and be piss easy to do(wwell just not sutpid hard lol) when we set up think its time i had the peices made for the mill.
game on u pommy soft cock git lol............

[sharky]

So...first step...to fit this arm into the XJR frame...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2011-12-31130113.jpg

Front tube needs to come off and be replaced with one that matches the stock XJR frame.
Once this is done the exact pivot position can be determined...either stock mount or moved back..depends on overall look...The lines are important as it has to mimick a hardtail.

Then the axle plates are coming out and some nice new 8 or 10mm water cut ones made...

To do all this properley Mr Ozzy1100 has been busy creating the jig...and making a damn good job of it too.

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/Jigforarm.jpg

[Ruffy]

will definatley be watching this..looks like it will turn out wicked!

Cheers,
Ruffy

[sharky]

Ok....so after going to the old club site (to leave RIP's to 2 good mates) I found this as the Galleries main pic...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/bkbike.jpg

This got me thinkin.....and after a long chat with the vehicle mod bloke in Qld ( good bloke...knows his bikes) I found that to do a twin shock to mono conversion plus subframe was almost as much paper work, inspections etc as doing the custom ICV.....

So a quick mock up...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-01181227.jpg

Yeah I know most of you won't be interested cos its not a gsxr (yawn) nor a stweetfighter...despite all the work that will be involved...jigs made to mod swingarm etc...but I couldn't really give a fuk.....its my bike...and I'm gonna build it my way
Seeing as I already have the 'Permit to build' I just have to apply for the changes to the design...ie new swingarm/monoshock and subframe. This keeps it 100% legal.

[Jockney Rebel]

olde skoole i member them lol

[Gix11]

I'm digging it. That is the custom frame getting used after all isn't it mate?

[Azrael]

I like the way you brain.
This is gonna be cool

[fimpBIKES]

good to see all the hard work on that frame wont go to waste
keep the updates coming :cool:

[sharky]

First thing was to get the correct position for the swing arm pivot...so using the spare stock frame a simple jig was made connecting 2 engine mount points and the pivot...
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-02180057.jpg
This is then just transferred over to the custom...easy.
Having a finished road bike of same allowed me to then measure ground to engine mount points and use these to set up the frame.
End result is the frame sits 30mm lower than my current ride but as that has 150mm of ground clearance I have room to play.
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-02180725.jpg
This now sits at 1570mm wheelbase, stock is 1520mm...so not much over.
Next up is an adjustable rod to allow s/arm travel...and thus get a seat height....

[Bob]

Like the idea Russ, gonna be watching this.

[Tony Nitrous]

I like the early style stuff too Russ.

I always remember there used to be a ZZR1100 hardtail chop
with a little square RD125LC fairing going around Birmingham /
Wolverhampton. Looked tough as all f*ck !

[sharky]

Funny you should mention that Tony....cos I was thinking about that as a failing and know where one is in Au :-)

[sharky]

Next up is making the dummy shock...max and min length to set up travel, seat height etc.....Got a bit carried away...
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-04093439.jpg
Thought I might as well 'copy' the shocks as I will be mounting them 'Vincent' style. Spoke to Gazi shocks..no probs with angle..obviously spring rates will need to be sorted but thats the easy bit.
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-04150438.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-04150418.jpg
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-02-04175644.jpg
Seat height is approx 600mm...Looooooow

[RevHead]

looks tuff as ,your a doer,

[damo1]

Nice job mate, but dont you think the shock will bind up at that angle??

I'm trying to imagine the swing arm coming up and in my head the shock is at the wrong angle?? But i could be wrong!

[Tony Nitrous]

Needs dragbar's and rear sets...;)

[sharky]

Nah Damo...The dummy shock is 2 close fitting tubes..one inside the other...
First pic is at 300mm centre..second smaller pic is shock 'compressed' to 240mm...
As the tubes slide inside one another easliy I am guessing a shock wouldn't bind

And Tony.....Noooooooooo.....pull back bars and forwards :cool:

[fimpBIKES]

i think i know where that can ov V went :eek:

[Fight_fan]

That swingarm n custom frame are a perfect match! Be watchin this with interest Russ. Realy diggin it!

[sharky]

They are indeed Lance....same diameter tube....The arm is quite heavy compared to an ali one but I guess it needs to be a sold unit due to its design.On a plus, the custom frame is 8kg lighter than the stock cradle so that offsets the arm a bit (yeah I know...sprung/ sprung weight etc.....)

[BANDITROD]

not my cup of tea but i love watching your builds Russ you have a talent for thinking outside the box mate ...oh and btw i hope you didnt chop up a tingate clipon to make that mock up shock

[ALBI]

wat fuel tank are you using ???

[sharky]

Cheers Rod....and No...not tingates lol
Albi...might be using the late xjr tank...albeit modified.
Looking at airshifters and thumb op' rear brakes...:cool:

[kevkatana]

I like where your going with this Russ.

[sharky]

OK, so its been a while....been too busy having fun on the bike....but some progress has been made..

Decided to go for an R1 shock, multi adjustable and easy to get different springs.
Made these 2 brackets..
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/20120718_144932.jpg
To allow this...
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/20120719_170122.jpg
And then this..
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-07-19202034.jpg
But this tank ain't gonna work...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-07-19201959.jpg

[BANDITROD]

getting there mate good stuff keep em coming

[wackyrider]

Looking good Russ

[Gix11]

Why won't that tank work Russ? It looks great on there!

[wackyrider]

I like the tank too. All depends on what tail youdecide to use though

[sharky]

'tail' is going to be a Sleekbob fender (remember them Si ?)
1st issue of Streefighters.....Clinks Gpz 'fighter had one

[sharky]

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/Xjrchop.jpg
I might stick with the tank...but it's stock.....a couple of mates have taken over a wreckers so I'll try a few different ones...

[Redmohawk]

I like the tank myself, but I can see the lines from the lower rear of the tank mismatching a low seat (Asumption on my part to your seat preferance Russ) But with some "extentions" on the lower rear of the tank curving down a little to fit the seat profile I think it would be dead sexy !

I don't do photo mods on the puter to well but I hope you get my drift
1942

[Bob]

I like that tank mate. I think it would look great.

[Chase]

^^ +1

Comin along real nice

[ALBI]

why have you gone with the stock frame ??
i liked the raw one ,with bogan sitting on it !!!

[Gix11]

'tail' is going to be a Sleekbob fender (remember them Si ?)
1st issue of Streefighters.....Clinks Gpz 'fighter had one

Yea, I remember that photo as well. Don't have it any more to share though.

[sharky]

I discussed it with the engineer mate.....way too many issues using that frame.
I'll put up the pic later Si

[sharky]

A seat height comparison...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/comparison.jpg

How loow can you go ???

( a corgi ?)

[Redmohawk]

I like That , looks good mate. I thought you might have been going far lower with the seat. (More like the top of the seat in line with the lower tank lines)

[sharky]

Any lower mate and the back wheel will be punching me in the arse.(which is fine if you like the German tail look)...
There is 50mm shock travel which is 100mm vertical wheel movement.

[Redmohawk]

Looks good where it is mate , I was thinking folded Ali and thin foam sitting just above your shock. "Lowrider" style Might have been your Aim , Hence the previous coment on the lower tank lines.

[RevHead]

looks like it will be a comfy ride Russ

[kiwi kdx]

i rekon the tank suits the bike, but can you "massage" it a littie to get the back down an inch or two?
or will you run out of width?

[sharky]

The latest bit....the base is just a prototype....:cool:

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/scoop.jpg

[ozzy1100]

Looks much better on pc old boy :-)

[sharky]

That's cos you only got an old dinosaur Iphone lol

[ozzy1100]

Yes but I'm one of the cool kids lol

[latheboy]

Are you going to fit a aircon unit for the blower so you can turn it on and off?

[sharky]

Lol....not quite Ivan.
Its going to be recessed into the top of the tank,pipe running through the tank to an airbox.
These motors run well with a good cold air feed.

[ALBI]

The latest bit....the base is just a prototype....:cool:

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/scoop.jpg
a copy of the ol scotts injector hat hmmmmm was someone building a interceptor replica ??

[sharky]

No mate....made it for the bike...2/3 scale.
Found a better tank too...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-08-05152306.jpg

[ALBI]

No mate....made it for the bike...2/3 scale.
Found a better tank too...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-08-05152306.jpg
mate i like that tank better suits it more.

[sharky]

Day off today so had a go at casting the base for the hat...

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-08-06173616.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-08-06173658.jpg

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-08-06173548.jpg

[ALBI]

she s s s sucks nitro max!

[Redmohawk]

I like the new tank much more , but the Hat is sexy as. Will it have function as well as form ?

[sharky]

Yes mate...cold air intake....feeds through tank to airbox (with vent to prevent pressuring) and the tank breather will be one of the hoses into the base

[Redmohawk]

Why not run your tank vent to the presurised point along with your float bowl vents and setup a ramed air setup ? Prob no harder to tune than "Betty" was (has a pod facing out into the wind getting a good amount of ramed air effect 0.5 psi @ 120 km/h atm)

I'm currently bashing out a set of CF scoops for the sides of the tank to increase the ram air effect considerably, cant turn up to NFR without another mod to the old girl.

[sharky]

Because after reading lots of dyno stuff ram air really doesn't have much effect until high speed......like 180+ and realistically its not worth it....

[Redmohawk]

Think you'd be supprized the extra effect , not so much the top end power (it can be as much as a few psi air pressure at 160 plus) thats why kwaka played with it so much. But The effect at highway speeds is significant enough to change the MPG on a small 4 cyl car significantly. Corolla I have went from 12 to 14.5 km/L on the highway only thing changed was a ramed air intake in a high pressure point at front of car.

I'll sort betty in the next 3 weeks , wont be any dyno results but I bet I feel the results above 120 no prob. When I first set it up I went up from 105's to 115 main jets.

[EVLZX]

Ram air sounds fkin awesome too :)

[sharky]

Most 'ram air' systems are just fancy cold air intakes which are obviously better for a motor than warm air from an engine bay or the turbulent air around pods.
My Fj1200 in England was more economical,travelling at high speed in Germany with other fj's and it had cold air feed to non pressurized airbox.
Many tuners prefer good fresh air feed and airbox over pods.
Spoke to Scott Lynch about it..he swears by it..

[Redmohawk]

Most of my ram air reseach was based on a TA22 celica running a 1600 twin cam two valve head and straight gas with a spud and closed loop electronic control 100% of the time including WOT. I ran a Vn com air box with cold air intake (pickup from behind passenger headlight , when I found out about the benifits of ram'd air intakes on F1 cars at the time I did some sniffing about with a manometer and thermo couple in intake. The ram air intake didnt change the air temp as it was already pritty much at ambient with the cold air from behind the headlight.

With the original cold air intake the headlight and pannel work around the area effectivly stopped any ram air effect (thought I had to with the gas setup I had at the time, but was set right by a LPG installer) So I tested all the main areas I could fit a air duct through the front without stupid angles and or long duct lengths.

The celica made 74kw at the wheels on a dyno (no fan etc), A G-Tec meter said 75kw so pritty close for road testing . Power increase testing was difficult using the G-tec as it was an accelorometer based setup (and differences of 5-10 kw didnt make a massive difference to acceloration at speeds over 130 140 km/h) But the G-Tec seemed pritty happy to spit out around the same numbers pritty consistantly. Acording to the G-Tec improvement was aroun 8 kw average at 140 km/h and top speed went from 190 steddy in ideal cool night conditions to 230 km/h , 40km/h top speed increase is pritty significant for moving a duct 300mm!

With the area you have open to direct air , Assuming the top tripple doesnt disrupt the laminar air flow over your tank to much, would be significant enough to proving a good ram air effect. I used a 90mm round duct forcing air into a 1600 twin valve motor turning at 6500 rpm , I'd bet your 1100 turning a good bit faster would be using similar volumes of air. And the sexy hat you have produced would have around the same cross sectional area as a 90mm round pipe if not a little more (guess from the photo).

My car had the benifit of the front of the grill area effectivly increasing the intake pressure, but I'd still be saying it could be worth your while.

[sharky]

Fair enough Red, but to be honest 1300cc of grunt (approx 130bhp and 85ft/lb) is more than enough to go more than double the national limit and pulls from 1500 in top, 2 up.

I would have thought there would have been more interest in the cast base.....

[BANDITROD]

looking good russ how did you go about making the base

[sharky]

Sandcast ali mate....made a mould....

[BANDITROD]

cool i have never seen it done before but im sure a know it all will be along soon to tell us how its done

[sharky]

Made a wooden mock up first....then read up on google how to be an expert sandcaster....and made a mould.
Melted down a load of ali swarf from a machine shop (thin strands melt easily) in a stainless sauce pan with an oxy torch.
Poured it in the mould...let it cool and Bingo :)

[BANDITROD]

cool that will come in handy one day

[sharky]

Glad I could help mate ;)

[latheboy]

how heavy is it and why for it say "scott"

[sharky]

Not very....and SCOTT cos its a copy of a Scott hat....and they had it in the casting......

[Redmohawk]

cool i have never seen it done before but im sure a know it all will be along soon to tell us how its done

Fair comment , I'll pull my head in.

[sharky]

Or maybe its just st/st reinforced resin in a sandpaper lined mould..........

Either way it looks the bollox

[oldskool]

When the zombie apocalypse comes you are going to look so fuckin Mel Gibson you'll make Tina Turner pregnant!

[sharky]

I'll even make you pregnant :)

[sharky]

Got the arm back from the Ozzy1100 shed of miracles...Big thanks mate...
Sliced open the tank too to drop in the scoop..
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/2012-08-08_180430-1.jpg

[BANDITROD]

that looks fucking cool russ

[BANDITROD]

dont take it to heart mate im just fucking with you perhaps i should- of added a smiley

Fair comment , I'll pull my head in.

[Bob]

Looks great mate. I like that tank alot more then the last one.

[Redmohawk]

dont take it to heart mate im just fucking with you perhaps i should- of added a smiley

But you were right anyhow. Been over my posts for the last 6 months, I'm getting OCD about info. Going to "do" alot more and say alot less for a while (turning into someone I detest)

Back on track , I love the idea russ and wish I thought of it. (Big fan of max, post apocoliptic shit etc etc)

[Gix11]

That looks tough as nails Russ. Nice work mate.

[sharky]

Got the basis for my new tailight today...it's gonna be cut down to approx 200mm x 60mm...depends on the rear mudguard I make......

http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/XBlight1.jpg

:cool: :rolleyes:

[xa-mont]

xc sedan light?

[sharky]

XB/XC Coupe...

[xa-mont]

but of course. the sedan ones wrap around a bit. ah doi.

[sharky]

The inspiration...
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/18rear3_m_m.jpg

The plan for the tailight...
http://i419.photobucket.com/albums/pp276/sharkster68/modifiedxblight.jpg

[craig]

l realy like what your doing with this build mate.

[xa-mont]

isn't it gonna be a bit big?

[sharky]

No mate...rear guard is gonna be 200mm+ wide (190 rear type)
The light is about 350mm wide at the moment..so in keeping with the 2/3ish scale of the scoop it should be ok.

[xa-mont]

yeah i guess. i must just be used to thinking sports bike tail lights when i think motorbikes.

[ozzy1100]

u really are a strange fucker russ lol

[Redmohawk]

Will it be ready for the movie release ?

Models for said release ?

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