Albis TL1000S Take #2

[Gitzy]

cheers todd i pushed the fucker from there to home aswell!!

All 200 downhill metres of it lol..

[ALBI]

still had to push it to get downhill lol

[RevHead]

pushing ,why id it up and die.

[ALBI]

Dont know why ,i was on way home from seeing big dan and matt at maitland and itgoughed and acame good then when i pulled over to take a pic she splutterd and died??
It cranked over had fuel pump prime but no fire ,so i pushed home ,but when i got home i wound her over and it fired up and ran?? So buggered if i know.

[ALBI]

Dont know why ,i was on way home from seeing big dan and matt at maitland and itgoughed and acame good then when i pulled over to take a pic she splutterd and died??
It cranked over had fuel pump prime but no fire ,so i pushed home ,but when i got home i wound her over and it fired up and ran?? So buggered if i know.

[hyofighter]

My mates tl has had a fee issues with the wiring breaking at the switch block and ignition barrel , get it running and give the loom a wiggle to see if she stops agian

[Gitzy]

Albi dropped in the other day so I took some better than phone pics..

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[RevHead]

man you took some nice piccis ,looks great

[hyofighter]

looks tops albi , nice work gitzy

[kev@vcm]

Wow love the pics well done gitzy

[ALBI]

cheers todd didnt know you were going to post them!

[RevHead]

now if i can get Todd to take piccis of my bike ,im set,lol

[fimpBIKES]

ive figured out a name for your bike...




















http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v676/fimpbikes/vegeta_render_extraction_png_by_tatty_bojangles-d575z5a.png
VegetaaaAAA!!!!

[LKC73]

Top job Albi, the pin strip looks great on your machine mate.

[ALBI]

Top job Albi, the pin strip looks great on your machine mate.

cheers luke thank VON DAN for that one hhe did it not me lol.
good luke at the motogp! but dont count on cruicecontrol to vote for your bike lol

[Cruisecontrol]

You might want to wash the sand out of your vagina.

Nice bike...

[ALBI]

You might want to wash the sand out of your vagina.

Nice bike...
that reminds me of a joke

WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BUCKET OF SAND
AND A BUCKET PERIOD FLUID???










YA CANT GARGGLE SAND !!!

and cheers cruise ,you comming to NFR??

[Chase]

Should be proud of your work there Albi, looks great.

[Cruisecontrol]

and cheers cruise ,you comming to NFR??

I certainly am.
My bike is pretty much stock. I am aiming for the biggest tool trophy though. I'll even vote!

[ALBI]

[QUOTE=Cruisecontrol;369822]I certainly am.
My bike is pretty much stock. I am aiming for the biggest tool trophy though. I'll even vote![/QUOTE
sorry mate im shooting for that one !!!

[ALBI]

Should be proud of your work there Albi, looks great.
cheers mate and so should you !

[fimpBIKES]

i guess its alright (for an "s"... :p)

[Cruisecontrol]

sorry mate im shooting for that one !!!

As long as people don't decide before the weekend I will be happy. I hope people don't just vote for their mates...
There are some guys that are really big tools but they don't get the recognition they deserve.
So please, if everyone would just wait and see how retarded everyone is on the day it will be a lot fairer...

[nick76]

^^^^lol

[fimpBIKES]

uhoh...

[xa-mont]

giggle

[ALBI]

well thanks to SEN AND YELLA hopefully by AFR 2013 the TLS will be slightly be a little more agressive:cool:

and a name for my scoot in which has elueded me!!

ACE'S HIGH
HERE ARE JUST SOME SMALL SAMPLE PICS JUST TO GET UR JUICES FLOWING AND ILL START A NEW THREAD I SPOSE SO NO OLD SHIT HERE.
2846284728482849

FROM NFR2012 WITH THE BEST BUNCH OF NUTTERS IVE EVER MET!!

NOW FOR THE FUN!!

2850PLACE SAID HAIR DRYER HERE,
HMM 1 CYL + 1 CYL = PURE TLS GRUNT

SO IF MY MATHS IS GOOD
PURE TLS GRUNT + 1 GARRET TURBO = MUCH FUN :D

BUT ?? WHAT IF ? INSANITY = A+B+Cx2

1 CYL + 1 CYL=2 CYL + 1 TURBO = FUN + 1 MORE TURBO = ACE'S HIGH
285128522853
SINCE COMMING BACK FROM NFR2012 SEN AND I WERE CHATTING AT GOULBURN AND I SAID THATS IT IM FITTING A HUFFER.

AND IN TRUE SEN STYLE "DO TWO!! NO-ONE ON ASF HAS "
THE WHOLE RIDE HOME I WAS THINKING THINKING.

WERE TO PUT AND HERE IT IS SIDE BY SIDE AND THE SPACE ON DONK WAS MADE TO FILL!!
DID RESURCH WHILST AT WORK AHEM ,PRODUCT RESURCH.
GOING TO USE 2 X GARRET GT1241Z THEY ARE OF A VW PARATI
45MM COMPRESSOR INLET
36MM OUTLET
OIL AND WATER COOLED
7 PSI ACTUATOR
50-150 HP PER TURBO WOOT WOOT!!
OR JUST USE 1 OF MY FREELANDER 2LT TURBO DIESEL TURBOS I HAVE ON DONK AND GO FOR IT!!
BUT THE ASF HOON IN ME SAYS OTHERWISE SO 2 IT IS.

[ALBI]

hmpf wat happened to my pics ??

[Yella]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s480x480/598376_555424407818001_609933189_n.jpg

That looks like fun.

[EVLZX]

With 2 Turbos wont you have similar issues to single cylinder turbo setups, pulses being too far apart?

[El_Hefty]

just put a bigbore kit in it, up to 1200cc tune it properly and muck around with gearing and you wont keep the front end down

One of mine is presently in the middle of a 1088 expansion and im sure it will be more than enough when set up right

heres a kit ready to go for 1140cc and in the long run easier and cheaper than a couple of turbos' even one

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suzuki-TL1000-TLR-TLS-Big-Bore-Engine-Kit-Pistons-Cylinders-Bimota-SV1000-Cagiva-/150697388290?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231643a902

[xa-mont]

not as cool though mr. hefty...

[El_Hefty]

Yes good point not as cool, but much much more sensible, although it is ALBI :D

[xa-mont]

fuck sensible right in the ass i say.

[Yella]

fuck sensible right in the ass i say.\

agreed

[Redmohawk]

\

agreed

Seconded

[RevHead]

Seconded

3rd

[ozzy1100]

but then there is imput vs result ................

[ozzy1100]

mind you by the look of what that big bore would cost by the time you finish
yr getting close to what a good boost set up would cost you

[ALBI]

just put a bigbore kit in it, up to 1200cc tune it properly and muck around with gearing and you wont keep the front end down

One of mine is presently in the middle of a 1088 expansion and im sure it will be more than enough when set up right

heres a kit ready to go for 1140cc and in the long run easier and cheaper than a couple of turbos' even one

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suzuki-TL1000-TLR-TLS-Big-Bore-Engine-Kit-Pistons-Cylinders-Bimota-SV1000-Cagiva-/150697388290?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item231643a902

good point but put it this way mate,
will donk handle it ?? maybee good way to find out !!
id have to pull her down and do full rebuild and it will still look the same,

now take two sexy huffers and bolt on hmpf kills donk ,pull down undercut gears,ballance bottom end and make stronger fit low comp pistons,port head change cams etc and bolt back in , still have more power but know a stronger donk with big tittys lol.

[LKC73]

Go nuts Abli, its what you want to do and Im sure you'll get it sorted mate. Its not every day anyone can see a twin turbo V twin bike roll blast down the road. Looking forward to the progress mate.

[ALBI]

With 2 Turbos wont you have similar issues to single cylinder turbo setups, pulses being too far apart?
plus the set up is far more easyer this is my plan i came up with during the ride home ,well i had 5 hours to plan !!

run the turbos as mounted,the dump pipes will be only 4-5 inchs long if that with a nice ballonie cut,rotate snail so intake is pointing to top run 2 x pod filters "good quality" ones with socks on like YELLAS pointing forward!

the right hand turbo exhuast port will face down so i can route low and below oil filter and up to front cyl.
the left turbo exhaust port facing down aswell and it will follow the recess in engine case already there for the front pipe from factory and up to rear port.

the oil supply is at front already for oil cooler so that will plumb into " T " pce and feed both turbos.

the drain will either go to other side of oil cooler for cooling before returning to crankcase naturatly or via a scavange pump as per YELLAS

ya see a recouring person here!!!!

my intake will go via side opening in frame left open from existing ram air intake pipes ,remove airbox compleatly and plumb each turbo intake directly to throdlebodys ,no custom airbox at all very simple set up but with a twist well an " X " realy.

inplace of an airbox im going to have two pipes comming into an x pipe maybee!! still working this one out.
and i can just fir the air temp sensor into one of the pipes around the x join.
when i done custom exhaust work the latest fancy shit was an x link pipe instaed of the ballance pipe ,speads up airflow and also ballances out ,so im hopeing it will do the same !!

[ALBI]

Go nuts Abli, its what you want to do and Im sure you'll get it sorted mate. Its not every day anyone can see a twin turbo V twin bike roll blast down the road. Looking forward to the progress mate.
put it this way hearing ur bro jas talk up petes bike leaving rubber down under power in turns wants me to do the same but in style.
but then again i need to learn to ride my bike under full power in std trim lol.

i want my TLS to be differnet not the norm has to be loud and out there like a pair of 44 hh cup tittys!!

which would you look at big sexy tittys or an flat chest!!

[ALBI]

Yes good point not as cool, but much much more sensible, although it is ALBI :D
:o
oh by the way mate ive got the braket for you all cut and ready to weld but i need to pinch my old sub tail unit of fimp so it all lines up ok. was going to make sure it was rewady to hand over at nfr but when you pulled out i switched of and got on with my TLS.

[LKC73]

which would you look at big sexy tittys or an flat chest!!

BIG TITTYS all the way ABLI hahahaha....

[El_Hefty]

good point but put it this way mate,
will donk handle it ?? maybee good way to find out !
id have to pull her down and do full rebuild and it will still look the same,

now take two sexy huffers and bolt on hmpf kills donk ,pull down undercut gears,ballance bottom end and make stronger fit low comp pistons,port head change cams etc and bolt back in , still have more power but know a stronger donk with big tittys lol.


Albi how much boost you think you'll want to run? It needs to be enough to be worthwhile but Anything above a couple of psi or 'fuck all' will need decompressing.

You cant get a TL low enough to run decent boost by head shimming alone, theres timing chain issues before you get low enough so its dished pistons (custom) head work and a rebuild and better bearings on the crank (sv crank maybe as they have wider mains but creates other issues) as standard they are weak already as im sure your aware Part of the reason one of mine is apart for a rebuild right now due to big end failure. This aint no GSX bottom end and needs to be treated accordingly.

They also have odd timing where the rear fires 3/4 of a stroke behind the front then 1 and a 1/4 later the front fires again. Hence the pulse issue becomes even more so. Balancing manifold pressure with this is a further issue

Food for thought but you will be rebuilding your motor before hand or buying new pieces to replace whats left on the highway afterwards. Its always more expensive that way too, maybe buy a spare motor?!?! although they are getting hard to find

Not saying it cant be done, it has been, never successfully though fuck there are turboed harleys out there so anythings possible with enough time & money and R&D

Kudos to you if you go ahead, but do some more research Whilst the TL is a nice motor, i have 3 of them for a reason, they have their issues already without the extra stress and part of the reason noone has built a reliable turbo TL that i can find or have heard about and over the years several have tried. Supercharging well thats a different kettle of gift horses.

Get on the planet or the zone there info on there that might help

Good luck mate Ill ring you in the next few

[ALBI]

Albi how much boost you think you'll want to run? It needs to be enough to be worthwhile but Anything above a couple of psi or 'fuck all' will need decompressing.i will decompress with pistons kit.

You cant get a TL low enough to run decent boost by head shimming alone, theres timing chain issues before you get low enough so its dished pistons (custom) head work and a rebuild and better bearings on the crank (sv crank maybe as they have wider mains but creates other issues) as standard they are weak already as im sure your aware Part of the reason one of mine is apart for a rebuild right now due to big end failure. This aint no GSX bottom end and needs to be treated accordingly.

They also have odd timing where the rear fires 3/4 of a stroke behind the front then 1 and a 1/4 later the front fires again. Hence the pulse issue becomes even more so. Balancing manifold pressure with this is a further issue the way im going to counter act this is to run seperate exhaust and intake that way i wont have balance issues maybee!!!

Food for thought but you will be rebuilding your motor before hand or buying new pieces to replace whats left on the highway afterwards. Its always more expensive that way too, maybe buy a spare motor?!?! although they are getting hard to find
already have old donk thats what im useing for mock up!!
Not saying it cant be done, it has been, never successfully though fuck there are turboed harleys out there so anythings possible with enough time & money and R&D

Kudos to you if you go ahead, but do some more research Whilst the TL is a nice motor, i have 3 of them for a reason, they have their issues already without the extra stress and part of the reason noone has built a reliable turbo TL that i can find or have heard about and over the years several have tried. Supercharging well thats a different kettle of gift horses.

Get on the planet or the zone there info on there that might help

Good luck mate Ill ring you in the next few

not a prob mate ,im hopeing to have done for NFR2013 as i need to do a lot o research aswell
but otherwise eyeball it lol

[Redmohawk]

The more volume to the tube between your turbo compressor outlet and the TB's the broader the presure pulse will be.

Ie 500cc cyl opens intake once per 2 rpm but turbo is continuously filling pipe, hence you will get pressure waves forming in intake tract between turbo outlet and TB . To round (soften) the pressure spike aim for twice cyl cappacity as a mimimum 4 times volume would be much better. A combined system from both turbos to both TB's with a intercooler (adding more cappacity to intake tract) would also reduce pressure pulsation.

Big (and small) singles have been done with work so yours shouldnt be any harder.

[ALBI]

The more volume to the tube between your turbo compressor outlet and the TB's the broader the presure pulse will be.

Ie 500cc cyl opens intake once per 2 rpm but turbo is continuously filling pipe, hence you will get pressure waves forming in intake tract between turbo outlet and TB . To round (soften) the pressure spike aim for twice cyl cappacity as a mimimum 4 times volume would be much better. A combined system from both turbos to both TB's with a intercooler (adding more cappacity to intake tract) would also reduce pressure pulsation.

Big (and small) singles have been done with work so yours shouldnt be any harder.
so volume of intake pipe from turbo outlet to throdle bodys x4 "volume" of swept capacity of each cyl!

[ALBI]

the one thing im not looking forward to is splitting the motor on current one !! its to young only 12thou odd klms
so ill be doing the original donk but not looking forward to it it gunna cost a pretty penny as it is currently 11:7-1 comp ratio??
bloody high for twins let alone one turbo lol.

[Yella]

Don't know the motor all that well but spacers under the barrels work a treat to lower the compression ;)

[Redmohawk]

The bigger the volume of the "manifold" the less pressure change between revolutions of the motor and the easyer it will be for the puter to metre fuel, also the turbos will see less variation in pressure between revs.

Why not use the "dummy motor" as your turbo unit ? Just build it to be how you want it then swap motors when your ready. Bonus is , if you melt/blow/drop the motor you have the original to bolt right in.

[El_Hefty]

yep what red said,

large has some bits for a TLs motor i picked up last year, less barrels and pistons and heads which i kept, try him for whatever it was you needed for the old motor, cant remember what that was

[RevHead]

broken out put shaft ,mick

[fimpBIKES]

:o
oh by the way mate ive got the braket for you all cut and ready to weld but i need to pinch my old sub tail unit of fimp so it all lines up ok. was going to make sure it was rewady to hand over at nfr but when you pulled out i switched of and got on with my TLS.

um, i dont think i got your rear subframe
frame only i believe


broken output shaft shouldnt be too hard to fix VS fitting twin turbos
i say do it on the spaer engine, is there anyone who has done a turbo motor from scratch and NOT blown an engine (or two...) getting it right?

[RevHead]

well so far all i got is the motors are piss poor weak,why bother unless you are going to chuck 5k at it

[ALBI]

The bigger the volume of the "manifold" the less pressure change between revolutions of the motor and the easyer it will be for the puter to metre fuel, also the turbos will see less variation in pressure between revs.

Why not use the "dummy motor" as your turbo unit ? Just build it to be how you want it then swap motors when your ready. Bonus is , if you melt/blow/drop the motor you have the original to bolt right in.
thats exactly what im doing with the old motor ,serco dont do low comp pistons called them direct.JE pistons dont have on shelf but will do custom with a min of 4 units @$850..
not bad realy ive got spare 2 units incase of a failure but they put me onto albian motorcycles and he told me $755.. !! so thats the route im gunna go on that one and then just freshen up donk,light porting and polish ,repair/replace output shaft and detail engine.

i was speaking to our turbo bloke here in newy and he said twin turbo would be easyer to set up and that i just need to make sure timming gets retarded when needed a small intercoolor would be of an benifit and run at 6 pd boost.


so with the manifold red i was going to just plumb two pipes right into throdle bodys but as you say bigger the manifold??
so if i do make an alloy airbox it will be of an benifit

[latheboy]

You don't really need an intercooler with low boost (6 and under) but you will get bored of that and want to turn it up at some point, then you will need a cooler.

You will need a plenum (airbox) before the thottle bodies.
I made mine 1.5 times the cc's of the motor, that was the rule of thumb I was told and also as big as I could go anyway.

Try very hard to design it so that both TB get an even amount of air otherwise you will one working harder than the other.

[Redmohawk]

In multi TB car setups I have played with (6 cyl 2 L motor turning at 10krpm 500kw and a rb30 hybrid rb26 head big single huffer) the bigger your plentul after TB the better up to about 4 times swept volume of motor. The 2L 6 I'm messing with atm (centrifical charger) log manifold has a volume of 4.8L just over twice with multi TB setup.

On multi cyl engines 1.5 to 2 times is common aim, on a single or twin bigger the better (especally with an odd phase fire) Mate has done a honda 90 with a 125 barrel piston taken it out to something like 115cc and turboed with injection. His biggest hassle was pressure variation being a single, He fitted a cooler off a dihatsu charade. Was big but gave him the extra volume to reduce pulsation to a controllable level.

Latheboy I'm not 100% sure a plentum will be needed if both outlets of turbos are linked in a >---< mannor from turbos to TB's both TB's would see pritty even flow/pressures. There are prob benifits to a plentum chamber , but the less resrictive flow provided by a >--< link coulnt be discounted for increased air flow. If a plentum chamber is dooable wouldnt hurt plus a set of nice ram tubes to help the air slip in.

I'd be going with the intercooler even if its just for the extra volume short term, Later the benifits with more boost would be handy as Ivan points out.

[latheboy]

The problem I see with 2 turbos and NO plemun is that you would need to buy a match set of turbos.

If you get 2 T28's of ebay, how do you know they are both as efficient as each other ? One could have had a hard life but is still ok to use.

Albi, you better do some good maths with flow maps and find a turbo that is good with the pulses of the motor.

[ALBI]

The problem I see with 2 turbos and NO plemun is that you would need to buy a match set of turbos.
yeh done that via GCG turbos im using the garret GT1241z "new" not using second hand shit !! lol
If you get 2 T28's of ebay, how do you know they are both as efficient as each other ? One could have had a hard life but is still ok to use.

Albi, you better do some good maths with flow maps and find a turbo that is good with the pulses of the motor.
maths aint my strong point the turbos are for VW PARATI !! also used for smal motor and motorcycle turbo converstions.

[ALBI]

In multi TB car setups I have played with (6 cyl 2 L motor turning at 10krpm 500kw and a rb30 hybrid rb26 head big single huffer) the bigger your plentul after TB the better up to about 4 times swept volume of motor. The 2L 6 I'm messing with atm (centrifical charger) log manifold has a volume of 4.8L just over twice with multi TB setup.

On multi cyl engines 1.5 to 2 times is common aim, on a single or twin bigger the better (especally with an odd phase fire) Mate has done a honda 90 with a 125 barrel piston taken it out to something like 115cc and turboed with injection. His biggest hassle was pressure variation being a single, He fitted a cooler off a dihatsu charade. Was big but gave him the extra volume to reduce pulsation to a controllable level.
will be running an intercooler but space will dictate size !!
Latheboy I'm not 100% sure a plentum will be needed if both outlets of turbos are linked in a >---< mannor from turbos to TB's both TB's would see pritty even flow/pressures. There are prob benifits to a plentum chamber , but the less resrictive flow provided by a >--< link coulnt be discounted for increased air flow. If a plentum chamber is dooable wouldnt hurt plus a set of nice ram tubes to help the air slip in.
im thinking of a small plenum but not to big as i still want to run and x link pipe to help with pulses,but the turbos are going to be forward facing as in pics so ill be fittining good quality pods.

I'd be going with the intercooler even if its just for the extra volume short term, Later the benifits with more boost would be handy as Ivan points out.
yeh will run a cooler for sure.

[El_Hefty]

Albi, If volume and placement is and issue, why not run a smallish intercooler at the front, in front of radiator, short run from the turbos then run two pipes in through the normal ram inlet pipes spaces straight to the throttlebodies or through a decent plenum intercooler will act as a damper for pulsing (maybe) but you certainly could even have a decent plenum where the old airbox was if the intercooler was forward.

[ALBI]

Albi, If volume and placement is and issue, why not run a smallish intercooler at the front, in front of radiator, short run from the turbos then run two pipes in through the normal ram inlet pipes spaces straight to the throttlebodies or through a decent plenum intercooler will act as a damper for pulsing (maybe) but you certainly could even have a decent plenum where the old airbox was if the intercooler was forward.thats exactly wat i want to do with the pies run in via original side access location !!
i wasnt going to run a plenum as i wanted to do the cross over pipe arangement for something different?
but after reds,urs and lathboys comments ill go the airbox route with an cooler aswell

[EVLZX]

mmmm pies

[LKC73]

Im just watching a reading, this is going to be very interesting build.

[ALBI]

Huh pies ??
Oh i ment pipes opps

[sen]

Im just watching a reading, this is going to be very interesting build.

Agreed. Will be watching this one KEENLY :D