MAKbox for EFI SUZUKI's

[veetwo tls]

OK ive started a fresh post for these :)

the makbox takes up no room on the bike & you dont use the powercomander.
yes the makbox is like a Powercomander but nothing like a powercomander if you know what i mean.

with the power comander you leave it on the bike connected with you custom map so it tricks/fools the stock ECU. (its good but its crude especialy the PCII which have been known to give problems at times)(PCIII has just been released for TLs & TLr's...BUT...no maps yet being so new.

dont get me wrong though the PCIIIr is good for track/race use where the average streetrider would not use the PCIIIr to its full use.

the makbox is very similar to a yosh box you plug it in reprogram your ECU then disconect. BUT the makbox does more finer settings.

EXAMPLE: with my mods.

yosh box:

+5
+5
+5

makbox: with my mods.
my latest settings im doing tomorrow.

-1.5 or -2 at low speed (Just try it - if the engine will NOT rev correct at 1200rpm give it only a -1 or 0 at low speed)

TPS:
1: 5 duration
2: 2.5 duration
3: 2.5 duration
4: 2.5 duration
5: 5 duration
6: 5 duration


then you have the... teka: (the best on the market IMHO)


LINKS ON MORE INFO:

how to use instructions:
http://www.tlzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61125&highlight=makbox

old group buy:-but will still make them.
http://www.tlzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62570&highlight=makbox

comments:
http://www.tlzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62745&highlight=makbox

my setting up / help Q's:
http://www.tlzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=69575&highlight=makbox

EMAIL to me:

Re: MAKbox SETTINGS:
Quote:
Originally Posted by veetwo tls
is this right ?
just checking to make sure

-1.5 or -2 at low speed will be the better choice ?

TPS:
1: 5 dur
2: 2.5 dur
3: 2.5 dur
4: 2.5 dur
5: 5 dur
6: 5 dur
Correct!

Just try it - if the engine will NOT rev correct at 1200rpm give it only a -1 or 0 at low speed.



i hope this explains more for you guys that are interested.
also it only took me 20 min to reprograme my ECU for the first time.

if anyone is interested in these let me know & i'll see what i can do.

THESE FIT ALL EFI SUZUKI'S made from 1997 to 2003...and some '04 models.

UPDATE EMAIL:
We're working on getting vynil labels cut so that they won't fade but other than that it's essentially the same. There may be a minor variation on the color scheme but I thinkt the yellow is going to stay.

They work on all EFI suzuki motorcycles made from 1997 to 2003...and some '04 models.

Be sure to let me know...I've got 3 more I'd like to sell to make this bunch an even 10...
then i'll start on the next batch if enough interests.
My rate is $200 USD includes postage.

but i need an idea how many are interested first.
then we will go from there.

for anyone who is interested:

the payments will be sent to me by:

A: paypal
B: direct deposit to my account

then i'll paypal to him the $200USD.
as soon as he recives a payment they will be posted direct to me & i'll post to you.

you will need to email me your:

full name & postal address

& in return i'll give you my

paypal or direct deposit details & contact details

OVERSEAS ORDERS WELCOME

[veetwo tls]

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[veetwo tls]

MORE INFO:

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1570

[veetwo tls]

suxukifreak:

Q: So there is no dyno time involved and any idea of the price?

A: no dyno time at all mate. $200USD including postage

but you can use these with /on a dyno/any dyno tech will know how to
use these.
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Rich:

Q: Price of the mak.boX would help and is it idiot proof ??

A: LOL yeh there idiot proof / if i can operate one anyone can. you plug it in 20 min & the jobs done & then unplug it.
$200USD including postage.

[Frankie]

...interesting...... I'll think about it.

[Rich]

veetwo tls, Mate, I have a 2005 Busa.

'They work on all EFI suzuki motorcycles made from 1997 to 2003...and some '04 models.'

Does this mean I miss out ?? Could you please confirm this as I'd then have to decide on the TEKA or Power Commander options in the near future.

Hmmm.... but 2 drinks later I remember that there should be no difference between a '03 Busa and a '05 Busa.
Cheers Rich

[Razorback]

Yeah Rich Im about 95% certain there is no changes that would affect this on more or less any EFI Suzuki from post 2000.... So it should work fine with yours....but I could be wrong :D

[Rich]

Razor, with your contact with the new 1400 could you make the same enquiry ??

Cheers Rich

[veetwo tls]

im on it guys ill email him.

makenzie said he'd be away from the PC for a day or two.
then he will tune in on the link to this forum.

FRANKIE:
got your email & details.

my details are sent to you.

[veetwo tls]

FRANKIE:
paypal recived :-)
ill keep you informed.

[veetwo tls]

two left guys:
(then he will need 10 confirmed orders to make the next batch) including other sites.

$200USD thats postage included.

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2:
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[veetwo tls]

Rich:
quote from makenzie.
should be the same and it "should" work but I will not gauruntee it...I've not been able to test on a busa of any year.

[Stocky]

Those things are quite crude at tunning.

Still better than nothing

The TEKA works a 100 times better (I have both) but it's 7 times more expensive.

[veetwo tls]

veetwo:

Actually he's incorrect in the comparison. The Yosh/MakBox is slightly less adjustable but it can be used to remove and add fuel from the map...where as the Teklusion piece can only add fuel. There's a couple other quirks to the Teka that I don't like...but I can say the same for the MakBox...I prefer the makbox, and I know a number of others who've used both that share my sentiment.



quote:Originally posted by Stocky

Those things are quite crude at tunning.

Still better than nothing

The TEKA works a 100 times better (I have both) but it's 7 times more expensive.

[Frankie]

Thanks Cobber! [8D]

[Stocky]

[quote]Originally posted by veetwo tls

veetwo:

Actually he's incorrect in the comparison. The Yosh/MakBox is slightly less adjustable but it can be used to remove and add fuel from the map...where as the Teklusion piece can only add fuel. There's a couple other quirks to the Teka that I don't like...but I can say the same for the MakBox...I prefer the makbox, and I know a number of others who've used both that share my sentiment.


[quote]Originally posted by Stocky

Those things are quite crude at tunning.


It's actually you who is incorrect - A TEKA is not a Teklusion

A Teka can add and remove fuel and it can add or remove about 3 times as much as the Yosh/Mak box.

A Teka can adjust invidual cylinders for idle.

A Teka can adjust fueling for 10% , 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% throttle positions.

It can also do this in VERY fine increments.

The biggest feature of the TEKA is that it can tune LIVE .

With the engine running (riding) you adjust until you get what you want then you load it to the ECU.

It's the same concept as the Yosh/Mak box , just much better.

As I said it is MUCH more expensive though.

Still better than nothing

The TEKA works a 100 times better (I have both) but it's 7 times more expensive.

Detials at www.factorypro.com


I have a TEKA , I have a Yoshi Box (Mak box), I have a Powercommander, and I have a Motec PLM
So I get to compare them all.

[veetwo tls]

Re: PM?
Sorry man...I thought the Teka and Teklusion pieces were the same...however:

Quote:
A Teka can add and remove fuel and it can add or remove about 3 times as much as the Yosh/Mak box.

This was an option when I designed the MakBox...I just didn't see the need to add or remove that much fuel. Kinda figured Yosh's max was good enough.

Quote:
A Teka can adjust invidual cylinders for idle.

So can the MakBox

Quote:
A Teka can adjust fueling for 10% , 25%, 50%, 75% and 100% throttle positions.

The MakBox adjusts the fuel curve at 17%, 33%, 50%, 67%, 83% and 100% throttle positions.

When the MakBox is revised, we're looking at adjusting from 5% increments or allowing for full range adjustabillity (that's being able to adjust to every 1% of the TPS's range).

Quote:
It can also do this in VERY fine increments.

Not sure how fine an increment...but I know the MakBox has the Yosh beat in that area.

Quote:
The biggest feature of the TEKA is that it can tune LIVE .

This is pretty badass, though...
__________________
Duncan (makenzie71)

[veetwo tls]

Re: PM?
Be sure to let them know it was my mistake linking the teklusion and teka pieces...I really thought they were the same thing.
__________________
Duncan (makenzie71)

[Stocky]

No stress just tellin it like I see it.

I probably didn't read enough on the Mak box.

If it does as you say , it will be an awesome bit of gear for the $$

On the amount it can add/remove .... I have only tunned a couple of bikes that used more change than a Yoshi box could do with the TEKA. They were very far from standard and both ended up better off with a power commander and custom map.

The live tunning on the TEKA is very handy. But, for the price difference I'd live with a Mak.

Maybe I should get one jsut so I have one of everything LOL (Just kidding)

Good luck with it, I'll pass a link to this thread on to a few people I know will be interested.

[Rich]

And I just need to know if it can tune a '05 Busa :(

Cheers Rich

[veetwo tls]

thanks mate

i'll pass it on to makenzie.

cheers :-)

[Stocky]

Rich, yes it can.

[veetwo tls]

quote:Originally posted by Rich

And I just need to know if it can tune a '05 Busa :(

Cheers Rich


Rich:
quote from makenzie.
if the 2005 plug is the same as the earlyer ones. yes it should be the same and it should work.
as far as i know there were no changes.

[Stocky]

The only ones it will not be able to do are the NEW GSXR1000/750/600's (ie K5, K6 etc)

All the rest , it can do

[Rich]

Well that's good news, thanks veetwo tls and Stocky. Hey Stocky where are you getting you information from ?? No doubt it's independent from veetwo tls'.

Cheers Rich

[Stocky]

I'm a bit of a Suzuki freak .... I have been messing with the Suzuki injection for a few years on Busa's , TL's , SV's , GSXR's and I have friends in low places that answer all my silly questions.

As I stated before , I have a TEKA and a Yoshi box and a PC3usb and a Motec PLM etc and plenty of Suzuki ridin mates to try them out on.

Yes it's independant from veetwo and tls'

Only trying to help out a bit, sorry if it comes across the wrong way sometimes.

[veetwo tls]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/veetwo_tls/bigthumb.gif she's all cool stocky im learning something about these things myself LOL.

like i said im the middle man in australia for makenzie. he prefured to just post to one address then i forward them out around australia.
there's nothing in it for me. well actualy im building brownie points LOL. he's a present making saaas swinger kits for the TLs & TLr ?(single sided swingarm kits) .

http://www.tlzone.net/forums/showthread.php?t=70560

http://www.tlzone.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=62982

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rich: thanks for putting a word in the busa club.

[veetwo tls]

just recived this email:

Re: MAKBOX:

Quote:
Originally Posted by veetwo tls
ive got a guy interested in one. from the australian busa club.

you got anymore left ?

if its a go
ill PM ya when i paypal the money through



found this out:

QUOTE from stocky
The only ones it will not be able to do are the NEW GSXR1000/750/600's (ie K5, K6 etc) All the rest , it can do.


I'm a bit of a Suzuki freak .... I have been messing with the Suzuki injection for a few years on Busa's , TL's , SV's , GSXR's and I have friends in low places that answer all my silly questions.

As I stated before , I have a TEKA and a Yoshi box and a PC3usb and a Motec PLM etc and plenty of Suzuki ridin mates to try them out on.

Only trying to help out a bit, sorry if it comes across the wrong way sometimes.


Re: MAKBOX:
That's very badass to know. Ask him if it'll work on the newest EFI SV lines? I've had a lot fo questions about them but I've always had to say no because I couldn't gauruntee operation.

Yeah still two more needing to go.
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Duncan


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2: GREG Australian Hayabusa club site - PAID
3:

[veetwo tls]

bump

[fimpBIKES]

sign me up!!!!!

i can pay by paypal if thats easiest

[veetwo tls]

sorry i didnt awnser sooner.
been crook with the flu since friday.
PM sent

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2: GREG Australian Hayabusa club site - PAID
3: fimpbikes - payment pending

[Booster]

:D Can't wait to try it ! I have a borrowed Yosh box but it would be nice to fine tune a bit better with more mapping points!

Booster , Otherwise known as Greg from the Hayabusa site

[veetwo tls]

just waiting for a PM from makenzi on a update about the boxes.

[veetwo tls]

lazer cutting for the decals is under way.
once they arrive he'll start sending out the orders.

[veetwo tls]

bump

[veetwo tls]

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3: fimpbikes - PAID

[Rich]

veetwo tls, after much interest I'll give the deal a miss for now. I have found a local bike mechanic with a TEKA and he'll tune my Busa at mates rates. I did send this thread onto the Busa club, I see you got an order from there.

Cheers Rich

[veetwo tls]

quote:Originally posted by Rich

veetwo tls, after much interest I'll give the deal a miss for now. I have found a local bike mechanic with a TEKA and he'll tune my Busa at mates rates. I did send this thread onto the Busa club, I see you got an order from there.

Cheers Rich



yep no problems mate. thanks for passing the word on :)
hay RICH you cant get ahold of the TEKA for a month or so :D hehehe then well do a run on cough MAKTEKA"s cough.

Re:MAKBOX:

[Quote]from makenzie:
Were still haggling with the graphics guy but he says it shouldn't take too much longer.
also if anyone else is after one take there order ive got another 20 near finished ready to ship out by the time the graphics arrive.

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Duncan

[veetwo tls]

bump

waddafuck is with the "bump" posts v2?

are you just keeping the thread on the 'hot list'?

[veetwo tls]

quote:Originally posted by chalk10

waddafuck is with the "bump" posts v2?

are you just keeping the thread on the 'hot list'?



yeh mate :)
until ive recived the gear & posted everyone there gear. then i'll let it go.

[veetwo tls]

im still waiting guys.
hopefully not much longer on this.

[veetwo tls]

im still waiting on them guys.
im sorry for the hold up. hopefully i'll have them soon.


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[veetwo tls]

just recived Email from makenzie .
The boxes should be in by the end of the month (here)...then it's just transit to you.

[fimpBIKES]

cool, cos i just got the 250bandit back on the road :D

[veetwo tls]

quote:Originally posted by fimpBIKES

cool, cos i just got the 250bandit back on the road :D


sorry about the hold up i though everyone would had them by now.
i guess he is a busy boy with all the projects & fab work he's got on. as you know him yourself.
when your back on the zone check out his saas single swinger mod TLs pics. its in the pics forum [:p]

[fimpBIKES]

wow, i shall have to drop in

i wasnt having a stab with the above comment,
i am just trying to show up your bike collection ;)

[veetwo tls]

update guys:

just recived a PM from makenzie

QUOTE:

They'll be heading out this week, I'm hoping. My guy says they're supposed to be finnished up by now and he'll be sending them my way express mail...I'll foward them promptly.

Sorry it's taking into the first week of August...we got delayed a few additional days when a particular part went AWOL on us. Had to order new knobbies. Please foward my sincerest apologies.

[veetwo tls]

UPDATE:

QUOTE: by makenzie71

MakBox Buyers!!
...damn this took WAAAYYYYY too long.

They're shipping to me tomorrow and will be going out to you patient folks Monday morning! You'll all (except VeeTwo) have them before the end of next week! Skippy!

Now, what I need is address confirmations...as it's hard to sift through my email to get them all down. VeeTwo, orangetlr, prostreet, clamrammer, and you other three who's names I can't conjure off the top of my head at the moment need to email your mailing addresses so I can start drawing up the postage labels...I hope to be able to pick them and turn them right back out.

My email is **************

PLEASE put "MakBox", which is NOT hyphonated, and your username here on TLP/TLZ as the the subject. I'll reply confirming reciept of your address information.

Prostreet, I'll need you to send my loaner box back to me before I can ship your new one out.

VeeTwo, obviously, it'll take longer for the three to get to you, but not too long. I think your people should have theirs the next week.

[veetwo tls]

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i'll have them posted on wednesday 23rd AUG 06
ive still got to get boxes & print off user instructions.
*REMEMBER* the user instructions are a user guide. ALL bikes very from mod to mod sea leavel etc.


IE: SETTINGS WITH MY MODS:

1.5 - 2 on the slow speed.

TPS:
1 5 dur
2 2.5 dur
3 2.5 dur
4 2.5 dur
5 5 dur
6 5 dur

just try it - if the engine will NOT rev correct at 1200rpm
give it only a -1 or 0 at low speed.

[veetwo tls]

MAKBOX INSTRUCTIONS:


~Tune is always going to be different per bike, so settings will vary according to riding conditions and modifications. Any specifics given in this post are generic and should not be used expecting the ideal tune for you.

~~This is a text instruction only. Visuals will be added at a later date.

~~~The MakBox is hand made and cut. Being that, it's very difficult to have perfectly aligned labels. Some "fiddling" may be in order to get a precise setting.

~~~~Duration and Cylinder selections have a blank spot at the their extremities.

Top of the box has 3 knobs: Duration, Throttle position, and Cylinder.

Facing side of the box has one knob and 3 swtiches: Slow speed tune, Pwer, and Lo/Hi.

To use the MakBox first ensure that you bike's battery is fully charged. I personally disconnect my head/taillights while writing to prevent any kind of accellerated drain. Remove the passenger seat and find the service plug (someone please correct me if that's the wrong name for the plug...) and remove the dust cap. With the bike's ignition off, plug the MakBox into the bike's wiring harness.

First thing to set is slow speed tune. First, select "Lo" (button out on the Hi/Lo switch) and then select "1F" on the switch labelled "Cylinder". Then place the knob labelled "Slow Speed Tune" to the desired setting (most applications should be around 2 on the lean side).

Once settings are in place, turn the bike's key ignition on and wait until the fuel pump stops pressurizing the system. Then, on the facing side of the MakBox, press the power button (out/off, in/on) to on, then hold the button labelled "write" down for 5 to 10 seconds. Release the write button, switch the MakBox's power button to off, then turn the bike's ignition off. Now put the Cylinder Selection on "2R" and repeat the writing proceedure.

Now to set the Throttle Position tune, place the hi/Lo selector on Hi (in). Place the Throttle Position selector on "1" and choose the appropriate duration setting. Repeat the writing process.

With everything off, now select "2" on the Throttle Position selector and again choose the appropriate duration setting. Repeat the writing process.

Continue until all 6 settings have been re-written.

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QUOTE: from makenzie71

My bike is a 1998 TL1000S. I have a K&N drop in and full exhaust open to turn-downs.

1.5 ~ 2 on the slow speed.

TPS:
1: 2.5 dur
2: 5 dur
3: 7.5 dur
4: 5 dur
5: 2.5 dur
6: 0-0 dur

(I've still got some fine-tuning to do)
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[veetwo tls]

if anyone is interested in one let me know but i need 5 orderds & paid up before next batch begins.
price still the same $200USD includes postage.

[veetwo tls]

MAKBOX's posted this morning guys.

thanks again on being patient took a bit long for my liking but all posted to yah's now.

cheers brett :)

[Booster]

Timed well Brett, be able to have a bit of a preboost fiddle before straightliners :D
Thanks

[veetwo tls]

quote:Originally posted by Booster

Timed well Brett, be able to have a bit of a preboost fiddle before straightliners :D
Thanks



i recon the next straightliners meet should be at mac park track located @ mt gambier south oz ;)
big club room & camping area. bit out of town only down fall so just fill the eskys etc.

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paddock where hybred is written is the back of my brother inlaws property. very handy located ;)
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[Booster]

Macbox arrived today :D Thanks Brett
May get a chance to test it out on the weekend .

[veetwo tls]

there's a blue wire NOT connected to the plug. DONT PANIC its just a spare in the cable.
i got fooled buy it when i bought mine :D

[Booster]

I needed to identify the "missing pin" to be sure of my plug direction, as the macbox plug doesn't fully clip into the busa .
I may be able to get a correct plug , to ensure is never incorrectly connected.

[veetwo tls]

has everyone recived there box's ?
all should had by now :)

[fimpBIKES]

got mine yesterday

now all i need is a running TL!!!

[Frankie]

Yep, Ben recieved mine...