Spondon Frame Certification?

[Large]

I was doing some dreaming about all things Spondon and found this:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/ClassicsCustoms/Spondon/spondonblade.htm

Then I noticed this bit:


quote:The Fireblade chassis featured here has been welded together from aluminium round tube to 7020 T6 TF condition and T.I.G welded in accordance with specifications EN 288-4.

Spondon’s GSX-R chassis has recently been granted Germany’s T.U.V approval and the Fireblade chassis, manufactured to the exact same standard, is soon to follow

So I guess my question is...Does this mean it wouldn't need to be passed by an engineer in Aus?

[Gix11]

...and?

[Gix11]

...and?

[Large]

I've finished my post now :)

I know I should ask the RTA technical section, but I've found you can get two different answers depending on who you talk to. I guess this question is really aimed at choppaweeza.

[Large]

I've finished my post now :)

I know I should ask the RTA technical section, but I've found you can get two different answers depending on who you talk to. I guess this question is really aimed at choppaweeza.

[chopaweeza]

The short answer is NO. The long answer is as follows. The UK & Germany have centralised reigistration systems. These are controlled by the federal and not state governments. As a result it is possible for an aftermarket frame manufacturer to get compliance approval for an entire country. With TUV approval the bike still has to endure a full inspection at a TUV certified testing center but it does mean that you can legally use a Spondon as a replacement frame in Germany. Without prior TUV certification by the manufacturer you have to get individual TUV certification which is like the hardest level of NSW Engineers Certificate with a few extra's thrown in. So, having TUV prior certification only means that the unmodified frame doesn't have to endure a specialised series of tests but the completed bike still has to. Translating that into local merely means that the Certifying Engineer will probably not do stress or xray testing on the finished bike. You will still need a noise, brake , ADR compliance and safety equipment checks. The good news is that all that will cost you about $1800-3000 depending on who you use. The only way for Spondon(or anyone else for that matter) to get a bike prior ADR complianced is to produce a production model with 1 type of engine & 1 style of frame, have that tested every year(which costs about $80,000 plus from what I've been told) and retail them that way. Thats the only way to shortcut the system. Bontrike and Oztrike have to do their models this way and as such are classified as a new production vehicle rather than a one off. Federal over rides State laws after all. Federal Transport laws can't suboern State laws and our states each have their own Mickey Mouse Methods for dealing(or not) with it. Oddly enough, Harris got a series of frames ADR approved during the 80's but they are like rocking horse shit and the subsequent rule changes have made it unlikely it will ever happen again.

[chopaweeza]

The short answer is NO. The long answer is as follows. The UK & Germany have centralised reigistration systems. These are controlled by the federal and not state governments. As a result it is possible for an aftermarket frame manufacturer to get compliance approval for an entire country. With TUV approval the bike still has to endure a full inspection at a TUV certified testing center but it does mean that you can legally use a Spondon as a replacement frame in Germany. Without prior TUV certification by the manufacturer you have to get individual TUV certification which is like the hardest level of NSW Engineers Certificate with a few extra's thrown in. So, having TUV prior certification only means that the unmodified frame doesn't have to endure a specialised series of tests but the completed bike still has to. Translating that into local merely means that the Certifying Engineer will probably not do stress or xray testing on the finished bike. You will still need a noise, brake , ADR compliance and safety equipment checks. The good news is that all that will cost you about $1800-3000 depending on who you use. The only way for Spondon(or anyone else for that matter) to get a bike prior ADR complianced is to produce a production model with 1 type of engine & 1 style of frame, have that tested every year(which costs about $80,000 plus from what I've been told) and retail them that way. Thats the only way to shortcut the system. Bontrike and Oztrike have to do their models this way and as such are classified as a new production vehicle rather than a one off. Federal over rides State laws after all. Federal Transport laws can't suboern State laws and our states each have their own Mickey Mouse Methods for dealing(or not) with it. Oddly enough, Harris got a series of frames ADR approved during the 80's but they are like rocking horse shit and the subsequent rule changes have made it unlikely it will ever happen again.

[Deano]

i spoke to Bob martin eng this morning and there answer was basically they can build anything you like but the problem is passing engineering certification.

i could be reg as an ICV but they say the amount of fucking around will be hardley worth it.

chop may have already said this but his post was to long for me to bother reading on my lunch break as i only get 1 hour;)

[Deano]

i spoke to Bob martin eng this morning and there answer was basically they can build anything you like but the problem is passing engineering certification.

i could be reg as an ICV but they say the amount of fucking around will be hardley worth it.

chop may have already said this but his post was to long for me to bother reading on my lunch break as i only get 1 hour;)