Battle of the twins

[Chase]

No I don't mean your balls rubbing together when you go commando...

I'm thinking about the next SF project and wanted to build a twin.. but don't know which make to go with so I thought I'd throw this out for a bit of feedback.

Advise on the pro's and con's of the bike and building of SV1000 vs' VTR vs' TL etc would be appreciated. :D

[kev@vcm]

hey chase have ya thourt of going buell v twin ?

[Chase]

Open to all suggestions Kev. Just want to get some info on peoples experience in building the different twins - so looking for stuff like limitations on build, issues faced, performance of the bike etc.

[nick76]

The buells are nice Kev,but hard to streetfighter,unless its just a custom paintjob!

[Fight_fan]

KTM RC8 :D

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by Fight_fan

KTM RC8 :D


lol... that'd be nice.. but just waiting to see how Chopiesel's works out

[BANDITROD]

Go for a TL mate they are the best choice from the 3 you listed IMO

[BANDITROD]

Side rads on vtr's are a pain unless you get one like what nudie has mounted on the front of his, sv's are gutless compared to the TL the only downfall with the TL's in my book is they need some suspension work to get them to stop trying to kill you but that's just my personal experience

[Gitzy]

One of these Chase... :D

Mrs Gitzy says I lack the balls to fighter it, she's right [:o)]

http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n487/gitzy841/Project%20TL1000S/WheelsOrig.jpg

[Chase]

Admired that bike since you first posted it.. cool as fk really! [8D]

Have you given much thought to what you would do if you fightered it? Anything you don't like about the bike?

[latheboy]

I like the SV thou, it's got a great frame.
And if you need power put a supercharger on it....

[xa-mont]

how about....

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/attachments/ducati-motorcycle-chat/81272d1292097303-best-site-find-crashed-salvage-ducati-bimota-db7.jpg

[nick76]

Nice bike,but who's gonna spend 30k on a bike,and then streetfighter it??

[BANDITROD]

Why not is the question

[Tony Nitrous]

If I was buying a twin, and thank god im not...[:o)]

It would have to be a TL1000S.

Most of the others are fragile, overpriced or underpowered and
the SV is just the soft-option. A lot of folk have spent a lot
of time sorting out the TL's "interesting" side and there's quite
a few ways to fix it.

Yeah, TL1000S unless a real bargain TL1000R came along.

[pav69]

shit yeah do a bimota whats money after all

[ALBI]

hey tony wot u meen "interesting side"?????

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by ALBI

hey tony wot u meen "interesting side"?????


TL1000S had a rotary style rear damper fitted,
the theory was there wasnt room for a conventional
spring/shock behind the motor with the geometry/wheelbase
that Suzuki wanted.

Didnt work well, some folk lived with it, others didn't live for long!
It was know to cause tank slappers and had a few riders off.
The one's I have ridden (stock) were fine but I wasnt pushing them hard.

There are MANY options to convert it back to a more conventional system.

This gave them a bit of a reputation for their "evil" handling
but I wouldnt let it put me off. Most have already been modded.

[xa-mont]

called the widow maker aren't they?

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by xa-mont

called the widow maker aren't they?



http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/331/boredf.jpg

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by Gitzy

One of these Chase... :D

Mrs Gitzy says I lack the balls to fighter it, she's right [:o)]




http://img6.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/10042/10042802079baebac1d948d954161f6140736c70.jpg

http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/10042/100427961e46836631f69167426595903de08bb4.jpg

If you've gotta cut it, just cut it son [8D]

[Gitzy]

quote:Originally posted by Chase

Admired that bike since you first posted it.. cool as fk really! [8D]

Have you given much thought to what you would do if you fightered it? Anything you don't like about the bike?


:D Me likes it too Mate..

Hmmm If I were ever to fighter it, I would do very very simple mods, My favourite bike ever, and the whole reason I love TL1000S's is this bike, Nathan Evans' Purple TLS.. First seen it when I was a learner and loved it since..

All I would do..

*Stock Tail
*Polished this polished that
*Nice Paint
*Nice Pipes
*Twin Dominators <----- ridiculously overdone, but I love em..
*Bling here and there etc..

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr292/Gitzy84/TL1000R%20TL1000S/scan0002.jpg



quote:Originally posted by Large
If you've gotta cut it, just cut it son [8D]


As tempting as it is I just cant bring myself to do it, I know I know I'm soft [:p], Where you been hiding that one Rich??



quote:Originally posted by Tony Nitrous
Didnt work well, some folk lived with it, others didn't live for long!
It was know to cause tank slappers and had a few riders off.
The one's I have ridden (stock) were fine but I wasnt pushing them hard.


When you ride like a big girl like me the rear setup is fine [:o)], I personally love it and have no complaints at all, very smooth and very comfortable..

[Gitzy]

PS. Have you had a look at these Steve for a bit of influence?

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18622&whichpage=1

or the VTR & SV Galleries also.

[Nudie]

I might be a tad biased, but, your fucking mental if you dont go with the VTR!

[Large]

l0PXofVnDAc

[Yella]

quote:Originally posted by Nudie

I might be a tad biased, but, your fucking mental if you dont go with the VTR!


+1 on that if not the STORM the SP1/2 [}:)][}:)]

[Chase]

I'm a fan of both TL & VTR.. Both look great in the SF pics (thanks Gitzy). Seems there is no support for the SV.

How do you rate the VTR and TL for;

Handling
Power
Suspension
Build Potential

[?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?]

[fimpBIKES]

tls if i had to start over for sure

there are plenty of used aftermarket shocks that fix all the handling woes


but if an sv1000 came up really cheap i'd be tempted too
the frames do look really edgy, like chuck norris' face going through a terracotta tile

[ALBI]

tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl t breath innnnnnn tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl t




TL1000S man!!!!if the VTR was a suzuki id say the VTR but it aint so go the tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl tl

[Gitzy]

I FCKN LOVE HOON TV!!!!

[sen]

quote:Originally posted by Gitzy

I FCKN LOVE HOON TV!!!!


Agreed! [8D]

[BANDITROD]

Out of the four things you listed the tl wins hands down

[Chase]

The general views seems to support the TL that's for sure...

Spose I should start looking :)

[BANDITROD]

Power = tl
Bulid potential = tl
Handling = vtr but tl can be fixed quite easily
Suspension = tl with after market rear shock fitted

[Fish]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/272195470125672.jpg

Need I say more?

[StuNVA]

I have a Tuono I'm trying to flog ?...........(ducks for cover)

[ALBI]

ill have the seat mate and tail ?????

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by StuNVA

I have a Tuono I'm trying to flog ?...........(ducks for cover)


Hmmm... details? Year/Kms/price... Pics? Prob too rich for me but worth a look :D

[Gitzy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz7MeqBLWKQ

[Chase]

Haha.. fk me Gitzy is there anything you don't have on file!

[Gitzy]

If I don't mate, It's not worth having lol [:p]

[BANDITROD]

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22480

[Chase]

Yeah sadly the $ doesn't stretch that far.. Nice bit a kit though!

[StuNVA]

your fucking unreal Gitzy, I should put you on commission.

[pav69]

reach deep into your pockets stu that boy has lots of pics on file

[Gitzy]

LOL, just a couple of pics here and there hey [^]

[WarHound]

Hey guys selling my tls 6 months rego and near ne metzlers http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300554847806&ssPageName=ADME:L:LCA:AU:1123

[Chase]

Prob a bit high on the km side for me mate, but good luck with the sale.

[WarHound]

I agree its got the high ks thats why the lower price, it has had rings and valves done, near new tirea and six months rego, not that i am doing the sales pitch. basically i am trading it in for a new bike, would rather see it go to someone who will make use of it than a wholesaler and obviously i would get more in a quicksale than i will get offered on trade.
Cheers

[robmac]

quote:Originally posted by WarHound

I agree its got the high ks thats why the lower price, it has had rings and valves done, near new tirea and six months rego, not that i am doing the sales pitch. basically i am trading it in for a new bike, would rather see it go to someone who will make use of it than a wholesaler and obviously i would get more in a quicksale than i will get offered on trade.
Cheers
How much did they offer you on the trade in?

[rod185651]

Another TL?

At least Gitzy can have another group photo :)

I can see it now,

OK all the GSXR fighters over to the left, now can we have all the TL fighters over hear to the right.

My vote is for Honda VTR

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by Chase

I'm a fan of both TL & VTR.. Both look great in the SF pics (thanks Gitzy). Seems there is no support for the SV.

How do you rate the VTR and TL for;

Handling
Power
Suspension
Build Potential

[?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?][?]


I had a '99 VTR, wrote it off and a few weeks later bought a '99 TLs.
Being a Suzuki man it is hard to say but the VTR shat on the TL.
The VTR was bloody quick, handled welll and was a dream to ride. The TLs was underpowered (in comparison), snatchy, rattly, bulky and always felt heavy (and I had to get the frame replaced because it broke...). They were both used as commuters with occasional weekend riding and it was easy to ride the VTR anywhere but it always felt like a battle with the TL.

Given the opportunity again I would buy a VTR and fighter it. Slap on a set of USDs and front-mount a rad ala Nudie and it is job done...

[robmac]

What about this one??

http://motorcycledisposals.com.au/Bikes/Bikes%20Pages/5876%20VTR1000/Photograph%20Template.html

[WarHound]

Trade still has not been negotiated, but I am sure they will offer bugger all, they may also put it on consignment for me. Selling on Ebay is better for me because someone gets a rego'd TL at a pretty good price and I get cash to throw down on the deal. Just gonna let it ride and see how the week pans out 8)

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by robmac

What about this one??

http://motorcycledisposals.com.au/Bikes/Bikes%20Pages/5876%20VTR1000/Photograph%20Template.html


Doing the math and by the time I get a repairable, do the inspections and reg etc it's cheaper (and easier) to buy a rego'd one to fighter... sad fact for us all really - especially in NSW [}:)]

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by rod185651

Another TL?

At least Gitzy can have another group photo :)

I can see it now,

OK all the GSXR fighters over to the left, now can we have all the TL fighters over hear to the right.

My vote is for Honda VTR


Was looking at a ZX9 but thought it may be too much bike for me ;)

[pav69]

go on chase you know a zx9 is the obvious choice here it is a kwacka after all

[BANDITROD]

My sister has a zx9

[rod185651]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

My sister has a zx9


My mum has a sore back ;)

[crazymofo]

TLs issues are
somewhat frail gearbox if your a stomper and thrasher.
rear rotary shock is useless, bin it for an bitubo or ohlins.
some have had frames crack.. usually been replaced by now, most were done under recall.
the newer the model the softer they were. 97 model is the pick.
charging system is suspect at best, simple 10min wiring job to correct.


if the above is given attention they are fantastic bikes, i honestly woud have trouble choosing any other bike as a road bike.

vtr's main issues are
weak suspension performance when pushed.
small fuel tank on older models
brakes are ho hum


ive ridden the vtr's a few times love them, again great roadbikes... but no where near as good as the TLs

TLr is fat heavy version of the tls, with a poofteenth more go the then s.

SV 1000
fixed all the above probs of the tl but motor lost some go in the process.....
easy to change, tl cams and a fiddle with the heads and airbox, combined with a tune brings the ponies back,
with more torque to boot.
gearbox issues are sorted
suspension is conventional design, meaning upgrades to late model 3 way adjustable sportbike shocks.
gixxer front ends bolt straight in

for me.... a passion purchase is thr TL a sensible and better choice in the long run is the sv1000

the SV out of the box does all the right things, but with tweaking becomes the best of the lot with ease.

cheers.joe.

[xa-mont]

and... its an SV... and all the cool kinds have SVs :P

*runs and hides from the abuse*

[StuNVA]

This may mean fuck all but at the local 1/8th mile there is an SV shits all over the TL that turns up every time by about .5 to 1sec.

The VTRs sound is porn to the ears.

[nick76]

Here's a VTR with alot already done to it.
http://www.formula-xtreme.com.au/xtremema.nsf/3af4b8961d968b8fca256e410079fd79/70785dec176122c0ca25788b000d8e2e?OpenDocument

[Gitzy]

Apologies for the pic heaviness but thought this was relevant to the topic :D

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/120/tlsvtr01.jpg

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/9324/tlsvtr02.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/5096/tlsvtr03.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4236/tlsvtr04.jpg

[Gitzy]

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9942/tlsvtr05.jpg

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/9131/tlsvtr06.jpg

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/7469/tlsvtr07.jpg

http://img863.imageshack.us/img863/8600/tlsvtr08.jpg

[Gitzy]

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/8656/tlsvtr09.jpg

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/4958/tlsvtr10.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7021/tlsvtr11.jpg

[BANDITROD]

quote:Originally posted by rod185651


quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD

My sister has a zx9


My mum has a sore back ;)
I know lol

[Chase]

Nice work Gitzy... again :D

[wackyrider]

I don't know how it is possible that u actually have time to have a day job Gitzy

[Gitzy]

quote:Originally posted by wackyrider

I don't know how it is possible that u actually have time to have a day job Gitzy


Lol, ASF is ALWAYS on at work to, I try not to miss out on what all the cool kids are chatting about [:p];)

Beside I got my priorities right, eg. heres me 'sprung' on my wedding day on my phone, you guessed it on ASF [:0].. lol

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5493/1027775.jpg

[robmac]

quote:Originally posted by Gitzy


quote:Originally posted by wackyrider

I don't know how it is possible that u actually have time to have a day job Gitzy


Lol, ASF is ALWAYS on at work to, I try not to miss out on what all the cool kids are chatting about [:p];)

Beside I got my priorities right, eg. heres me 'sprung' on my wedding day on my phone, you guessed it on ASF [:0].. lol

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/5493/1027775.jpg

LOL Legend!

[WarHound]

Gday
Just a quick update. I have been offered a trade this Saturday for my TL and the trade is only a 400.00 short of the minimum I want for the bike. If anyone is genuinely interested from this forum .. they can hit the buy now for 3500 on ebay and mention ASF in an email to me and I will do it for 3K flat. The bike will go into trade Sat if I dont get the $$$ for it and I would rather see it go to someone who is going to love it than the wholesaler. Thats with near new tires and 6 months rego.
Cheers

[Richd]

chase,
I was going through a similar debacle recently and went for the SV in the end because they're undesirable,this makes them DIRT CHEAP. Simple. The TL is a 20% better sportsbike for 50% more cash because they're a cult bike.
I bought my '06 for $3800 as a near undamaged rep write off with 8700k. As has been pointed out thus far near everything you need off many gixxer models bolts straight on,which I've done. True the stock SV is hardly a pick up line but take it to the pub and get it laid for a carton of the right bolt on factory parts and you'll hose any stock TL.
SV's have a better thought out frame,more sophisticated fuel injection and weigh less. So gixxer the front and rear bung on a straight though system and that's it. Cheaper than a TL of the same condition.
Mines copping a rotrex blower,Dymag wheels and fabricated back end along with the said factory parts.
True enough SV's are shit fuck boring standard but don't take much waking up

[ALBI]

so have ya found one yet chase ???

[Chase]

Na not yet... been busy movin house and setting up the new man cave for the worlds most awesome twin cylinder building experience... or so it goes in my head. [8D]

Been poppin on ebay/bikesales and stuff keeping a eye out but nothin yet. Ya got something?

[StuNVA]

There is a real nice SV1000 for sale at Inverell.
http://www.bikesales.com.au/all-bikes/private/details.aspx?R=9830732&YearFrom=498&keywords=&Cr=3&__Ns=p_PriceSort_Decimal|0||p_Make_String|0||p_Mod el_String|0&SearchAction=N&__N=1432%20604%201430%201429%201626%201428%20498%2 080%201480%20752%20688%201470%204294967268&PriceFrom=752&PriceTo=688&seot=1&silo=1400&__Nne=15&__Qpb=1&trecs=113&__sid=12E5E84E4193

[ALBI]

mate ya dont want wat ive got hmmm oh you meen bike opps

[ALBI]

what are you actualy wanting ??

[Chase]

Not 100% sure yet, guess I'll know it when I see it.

[Cotter77]

This?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aprilia-Falco-SL1000-2000-/270757395754?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item3f0a65fd2a

[Cotter77]

Or this?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Aprilia-RSV1000-Mille-25000kms-goes-looks-sound-awesome-/120729864936?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item1c1c0f8ae8

[Cotter77]

Or this?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/APRILIA-FALCO-1000-V-TWIN-ITALIAN-ROAD-BIKE-NOT-DUCATI-/220791405044?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item33683179f4

[Cotter77]

Or you could go this one..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-Virago-250-cc-Twin-Motorbike-/250826549966?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item3a666d6ace

[xa-mont]

that aprilia got up 5450 on its last go on there (and didn't meet reserve.) so will probably get somewhere like that again.

[xa-mont]

the RSV looks like a good deal... i wants it!

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by Cotter77

Or you could go this one..............

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Yamaha-Virago-250-cc-Twin-Motorbike-/250826549966?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item3a666d6ace


Funny fkr Tim :D.. Thought you were on a roll with the Aprilia's.

[Cotter77]

Just giving you options dude............Imagine the cred youd get on a virago!

[Chase]

The Aprilia is not a bad idea actually.

[thewiz]

here we go have a look here.
http://www.motorcycledisposals.com.au/Bikes/Bikes%20Currently%20Tendering/Damaged%20Bikes%20for%20Tender.html

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by thewiz

here we go have a look here.
http://www.motorcycledisposals.com.au/Bikes/Bikes%20Currently%20Tendering/Damaged%20Bikes%20for%20Tender.html


NSW is a bit of a prick now to get anything on the WOVR re-registered. I'm looking ,for something already reg'd or at least not on the WOVR.

[Chase]

TL it is! Just found this on ebay;

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Suzuki-TL1000s-V-Twin-/190547111939?pt=AU_Motorcycles&hash=item2c5d7e3003


Cotter,
May need your assistance if you don't mind baby sitting this for a bit :D

[Gitzy]

Only Dickheads ride Tee Ells.. [:o)]

Nice Score Chase.

[BANDITROD]

Good stuff chase

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by Gitzy

Only Dickheads ride Tee Ells.. [:o)]

Nice Score Chase.


Finally I feel like I belong..

[xa-mont]

Looks the goods mate. Great price too.

[Fight_fan]

Awesome news!

[Cotter77]

Ill look after it for you. But he may have lied about the Kms on it.......................

[Chase]

quote:Originally posted by Cotter77

Ill look after it for you. But he may have lied about the Kms on it.......................
lol.. thought there may be a ride tax.

[wackyrider]

Looks good Chase