notice of understanding and intent.

[uncle pervy]

i still get to pay tax, goods tax, fuel tax, sales tax, service tax, just not income tax and with all the money i save, i'll be sending my kids, or rather grandkids, to private school where they can get a proper education

[uncle pervy]

oh and as for water and electrickery. i pay for those as well, and they are no longer govt services. they are private corporations

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by Tony Nitrous

One of our customes at work has just got the
contract for the next tunnel under Brisbane.



Someone told me a few weeks ago they got about 10yrs guaranteed work for the 25km tunnel going out under the toowoomba range or wherever it is. I forget exactly but FUCK thats a job and a half. they have mobile welding trucks with 200m+ leads, pretty rad set up, especially the emergency fire extinguisher systems built onto the utes/trucks.

[Zooks]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy
also here today in australia, we have more laws, statutes, by-laws and regulations governing our daily behaviour than the communists have in china

So what???? Totally pointless argument. Apart from the fact that you have absolutely no way to substantiate such a ridiculous claim there are a few things that you should remember about China.

They work like dogs, eat crap food, have a shit existence, are overcrowded, have very few fundamental human rights, can't get a good education unless they're wealthy and they get run over by their own government in tanks. That's not to mention the poor bastards that speak up against the government and simply vanish without trace in the middle of the night. You want to live there, go right ahead. Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way to the airport.

[rock hard]

Yeah Pervy,the eat dogs and insects youll fit in after that Tequila worm every thing should be easy..ha ha
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1286311903.jpg

[uncle pervy]

pointless?? the ever encroaching restriction and regulation on our lives and freedoms yeah thats a pointless point to make
i am quite aware of the living conditions of the chinese, coming from a christian missionary background and with my ol' mum providing accommodation for chinese students that come here. no-one has said anything about leaving australia or trying to make it more like china.
so what the fuck are you on about zooks?

[uncle pervy]

hahaha morry. id forgotten that. might not of been as tasty as chinese, but that was one worm that wasn't getting away

[rock hard]

Exactly

[pappas]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

oh and as for water and electrickery. i pay for those as well, and they are no longer govt services. they are private corporations


Are you serious?? I work for an Electricity company and we are definately a government service!!

[uncle pervy]

so which one do you work for?
do a google search on australian electricity companies and see how many there are supplying electricity and gas to australian homes and business'. they all cant be govt departments
www.goswitch.com.au
www.agl.com.au
www.truenergy.com.au
www.esaa.com.au
www.OriginEnergy.com.au
but to name a few

in fact not one of those is govt. look at the web address
www.energy.wa.gov.au
notice anytyhing???

[Cruisecontrol]

http://www.energyaustralia.com.au/Common/About-us/About-EnergyAustralia.aspx

"EnergyAustralia is a State-owned corporation whose shareholder is the New South Wales Government."



As usual, you are completely wrong...

[uncle pervy]

yeah. thats what i was saying. thats the only govt one in the bunch. the web address tells you that
are you so eager to argue with me that you dont even take the time to read my posts properly
sit down and shut up, your making a fool out of yourself and embarrassing your friends.

[Cruisecontrol]

Huh?

I knew you were deluded, but retarded too?

There is no .gov.au in the address I provided, which once again makes your point, and you, completely erroneous.

[uncle pervy]

alright then lets look at this.
EnergyAustralia is a State-owned corporation.
Whose shareholder is the New South Wales Government.
now show me where that is a govt department.
its a CORPORATION that is OWNED by its shareholders, the NSW Govt
unlike www.energy.wa.gov.au which is the w.a. govt department for electricity and gas. it tells you its a govt dept in the web address

[Shadowzone]

You forgot Energex and Ergon. Both of which are Qld Govt Corporations.

[uncle pervy]

corporations. i wonder how many other govt "services" are are now being handled in the corporate world. what rights are we signing away when we contract with these corporations and what rules are we agreeing to. how many of you thought you had business with the govt, when in actuality you were contracting with someone else

[2ndclasscitizen]

They.

Are.

Still.

Public.

Tax-payer.

Owned.

Companies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government-owned_corporation

[uncle pervy]

then where are our shares are we not the public and taxpayers. who holds the shares in my name, for there must be shares in my name and yours, if its to be a public and taxpayer owned thing. is it held in trust for us and can we not claim what is in our names
the only way it can truly be called public and/or taxpayer owned is shares must be allotted to each owner or held in proxy or else its privately owned.
and if someones holding something of value in my name and not giving me my dues thats so wrong. and not even telling me that my name is being used thats wrong too. then fuck that im taking whats mine and if its held in trust for me i can, under corporate law, claim my rightful trust as a mature and competent adult.

[uncle pervy]

and in whose name are these so called govt corporations held?
whose name was used to register these corporations, are not they the real owner unless they have sold it and if so who own's it now
seems to me govt's are into privatizing and not acquiring business'

[Hillsy]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

then where are our shares are we not the public and taxpayers. who holds the shares in my name, for there must be shares in my name and yours, if its to be a public and taxpayer owned thing. is it held in trust for us and can we not claim what is in our names
the only way it can truly be called public and/or taxpayer owned is shares must be allotted to each owner or held in proxy or else its privately owned.
and if someones holding something of value in my name and not giving me my dues thats so wrong. and not even telling me that my name is being used thats wrong too. then fuck that im taking whats mine and if its held in trust for me i can, under corporate law, claim my rightful trust as a mature and competent adult.



I'm beginning to think you will struggle to prove this bit.

[Iceman]

I just got here and there's way too much to read. Who's winning?

[Gitzy]

I know this is in the Terrorist free zone and doesn't have to be fighter or even bike related, and I prob should bite my tongue.. But Uncle Pervy do you own a bike, I've searched and come up with zip?? if you used half as much energy to build something as you do in this thread defending whatever it is thats being rambled in here you'd prob have one fuck off bike.. seriously...

[pappas]

The State owns the corporation. The minister is the shareholder on behalf of the State. The profits recieved by the minister are distributed back into the corporation and wherever it see's fit. It's quite simple really.

The government needs money to run and further expand the country, it gets this money from taxpayers. Without out it we would be still using candles, driving on dirt roads, shitting in a hole in the backyard and using 2 cans and a string to talk to each other. If you want to do that by all means go for it!! But don't expect to pay 50% of your taxbill because you think it's unfair and then use the roads, mains water, electricity, sewer, street lights, internet etc... because you haven't paid for them!!

[uncle pervy]

you know im really impressed with your belief that telling me what to do will actually influence my decision making process.
and to answer the question. yes i do have a bike, a 1994 triumph speed triple. the first ever speed triple in west aust actually. original owner too. sadly it needs some work to the front end, landcruiser's dont make good front guard ornaments. but im getting to that as i can

[Zooks]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

pointless?? the ever encroaching restriction and regulation on our lives and freedoms yeah thats a pointless point to make
i am quite aware of the living conditions of the chinese, coming from a christian missionary background and with my ol' mum providing accommodation for chinese students that come here. no-one has said anything about leaving australia or trying to make it more like china.
so what the fuck are you on about zooks?


What I'm on about is that you have no point comparing our way of life to the Chinese. We have one of the best systems of governemnt in the world and I die to defend it. People love to bitch and moan about the government all the time but do fuck all about it. I agree that there are things in this country that we need to fix, there are cases of legislation gone mad etc - but dropping out won't fix it.

All that proves is that you are a useless quitter. You want to effect real change? Get MORE involved, not less!! Run for council or state government, lobby local politicians, stand up and be counted.

I can tell you that over the years I've picketed, chained myself to things, protested very loudly etc etc. It definitely works.
If somethings broken, get off your arse and bloody well fix it. Don't just skulk off into the bush like a feral dog.

[Zooks]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

so which one do you work for?
do a google search on australian electricity companies and see how many there are supplying electricity and gas to australian homes and business'. they all cant be govt departments
www.goswitch.com.au
www.agl.com.au
www.truenergy.com.au
www.esaa.com.au
www.OriginEnergy.com.au
but to name a few

in fact not one of those is govt. look at the web address
www.energy.wa.gov.au
notice anytyhing???


Most of them are corporatised government departments. We've had those for the past 20 years. They're still owned by 'the people' (government) though. Just because they try to turn a profit doesn't mean they aren't government owned. Even Australia Post is corporatised now but it's still very much owned by the government.

[Zooks]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

corporations. i wonder how many other govt "services" are are now being handled in the corporate world. what rights are we signing away when we contract with these corporations and what rules are we agreeing to. how many of you thought you had business with the govt, when in actuality you were contracting with someone else

You're bloody deluded mate. They are just incorporated because it is a better business model than the governemnt departments of old. These days they are accountable for their actions. In the old days the sky was the limit and they were allowed to get away with murder. I'm bloody glad they aren't allowed to waste my money like they used to.

You should probably get out of the hot sun mate.

[Shadowzone]

quote:Originally posted by Hillsy


quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

then where are our shares are we not the public and taxpayers. who holds the shares in my name, for there must be shares in my name and yours, if its to be a public and taxpayer owned thing. is it held in trust for us and can we not claim what is in our names
the only way it can truly be called public and/or taxpayer owned is shares must be allotted to each owner or held in proxy or else its privately owned.
and if someones holding something of value in my name and not giving me my dues thats so wrong. and not even telling me that my name is being used thats wrong too. then fuck that im taking whats mine and if its held in trust for me i can, under corporate law, claim my rightful trust as an immature and incompetent adult.



I'm beginning to think you will struggle to prove this bit.



All sorted mate. Fixed it for ya.

If you believe as strongly as you do about the shares and money diversion and getting shitfixed for the plebs of the nation aka taxpayers run for fucking parliament. But I'll bet my balls you sure as fuck didn't vote at the last couple of elections did you? Why? Because it's easier to take the pathetic apathetic approach and sook about shit instead of standing and fighting for what you believe in. If you're willing to fight for your beliefs do it in the house of reps mate. Where you CAN make a difference.

[Tony OW31]

quote:Originally posted by Shadowzone

[quote]Originally posted by Hillsy

If you believe as strongly as you do about the shares and money diversion and getting shitfixed for the plebs of the nation aka taxpayers run for fucking parliament. But I'll bet my balls you sure as fuck didn't vote at the last couple of elections did you? Why? Because it's easier to take the pathetic apathetic approach and sook about shit instead of standing and fighting for what you believe in. If you're willing to fight for your beliefs do it in the house of reps mate. Where you CAN make a difference.



I think that's a bit simplistic, the idea that you can get yourself elected and actually change things is a fairytale.
You can get yourself elected, yes, but challenge the establishment and you're out quicker than you can say jail time. Ever noticed that the ones most vocal about changing things when they get in soon become part of the system, or go to jail like a certain ms Hanson.

[Shadowzone]

Then Tony it's time we all got elected and fought the establishment.

The more indies in parliament the more of a fight that can be put up. And you'r right, the vocal ones soon bring it back into line with the exception of Bob Katter, and even he has toned it down somewhat. But still, why not have a go? If you really want to try and change things you won't do it be resigning from society. remember the last federal election the balance of power came down to 2 men and they got what they wanted so their voices are heard and count.

[uncle pervy]

i haven't voted since they removed me from the register and took away my right to vote. albeit temporarily, back in 1985
and my plan was to start "The Rick for Benevolent Dictator" campain
i don't give a fuck who owns these corporations, corporations should not be given the power to govern. and before you say the corporations dont govern us, a government corporation seems to be a conflict of interests as a corporations first duty is to itself. and a governments first concern is to be the people that elected that government and asked it to look out for us

[uncle pervy]

quote:Originally posted by Tony OW31


quote:Originally posted by Shadowzone

[quote]Originally posted by Hillsy

If you believe as strongly as you do about the shares and money diversion and getting shitfixed for the plebs of the nation aka taxpayers run for fucking parliament. But I'll bet my balls you sure as fuck didn't vote at the last couple of elections did you? Why? Because it's easier to take the pathetic apathetic approach and sook about shit instead of standing and fighting for what you believe in. If you're willing to fight for your beliefs do it in the house of reps mate. Where you CAN make a difference.



I think that's a bit simplistic, the idea that you can get yourself elected and actually change things is a fairytale.
You can get yourself elected, yes, but challenge the establishment and you're out quicker than you can say jail time. Ever noticed that the ones most vocal about changing things when they get in soon become part of the system, or go to jail like a certain ms Hanson.


or get assassinated. i saw an interview with a man who was a finanicial hitman for the american govt. it was his job to enter s. american countries and attempt to destabilise their economies so the u.s could bail them out and in the process secure unfair rights to the countries natural resources. failing that, BANG!

[uncle pervy]

Confessions of an Economic Hitman
Written by Global Economist John Perkins

John Perkins was for many years one of the world's top economists. He worked directly with the heads of the World Bank, IMF, and other global financial institutions. He quit his work about 20 years ago because morally and ethically, he felt it was wrong to play such a key role in creating world empire at the expense of the poor and less advantaged around the world. After being persuaded and even bribed not to write a book about his experiences, Perkins states, "When 9/11 struck, I had a change of heart." The book, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, has now been published and has spent many weeks on amazon.com's bestseller list.

[Zooks]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i317/glorifing/politics/conspiracy.gif

[uncle pervy]

wheres the conspiracy theory in the john perkins story????
its all there and its all fact. everything he says is verifiable
want to hear the 14 minute radio interveiw or watch the 60 minutes video
http://www.wanttoknow.info/economichitman
here is a small piece of his book. remember every fact is verifiable
Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits–Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

wheres the conspiracy theory in the john perkins story????
http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1286718986.jpg

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

Jaime Roldós, president of Ecuador, and Omar Torrijos, president of Panama. Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire.




Unsubstantiated claims = Conspiracy theory.




quote:

Roldós governed Ecuador for less than two years before being killed in an unexplained plane crash. On May 24, 1981, a plane carrying Roldós crashed into Huairapungo Mountain, in Celica Canton of Loja Province. All the other passengers in the plane died as well: Roldós's wife Martha Bucaram, Minister of Defense Marco Subía Martínez and his wife, as well as two military officers and three other passengers.

The controversy about the cause of the crash began immediately, when the Accident Investigation Committee (Junta Investigadora de Accidentes, JIA) of the Ecuadorian Air Force attributed the crash to pilot error, supposedly caused by an overloading with cargo. The parliamentary commission formed months after, after pressure from the families of the victims and political groups allied with the president, found contradictions and inconsistencies in the JIA report, but could not reach definitive conclusions. The Zurich Police, who also conducted an investigation, concluded that the plane's motors were shut down when the plane crashed into the mountain. This expert opinion, which contradicted the Air Force Report, was not investigated further by the Ecuadorian government.

The American author and activist John Perkins, in his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, concludes that Roldós was assassinated, allegedly by a bomb located in a tape recorder, because his plan to reorganize the hydrocarbon sector would have threatened U.S. interests. Roldós had entered into a pact with neighboring Colombia and Peru, a pact which US President Reagan saw as a tilt toward the Soviet Union. Just months after Roldós died, another Latin American leader who had been at odds with U.S. interests in the control of the Panama Canal, Panama's Omar Torrijos, died in what was allegedly just a plane crash, which also is widely perceived to have been a CIA conducted assassination, again according to John Perkins.

[Tony OW31]

quote:Originally posted by Shadowzone

Then Tony it's time we all got elected and fought the establishment.

The more indies in parliament the more of a fight that can be put up. And you'r right, the vocal ones soon bring it back into line with the exception of Bob Katter, and even he has toned it down somewhat. But still, why not have a go? If you really want to try and change things you won't do it be resigning from society. remember the last federal election the balance of power came down to 2 men and they got what they wanted so their voices are heard and count.

Agree regarding independents, it pisses me off no end when you hear them saying they voted a certain way for the good of the party, even when it went against their personal convictions, how about voting for the good of the people you are supposed to represent?.
I think the adversarial party political system that we and most other westernised countries employ is no accident, and I don't think it evolved because it's the best system either, how is it possible that half of our elected representatives permanently fighting the other half can be good for the country? It is a variation of the divide and rule system, the last thing a government wants is a politically united populace, as a united population can easily elicit change in a system that they, the government, wish to perpetuate.

[2ndclasscitizen]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

i haven't voted since they removed me from the register and took away my right to vote. albeit temporarily, back in 1985
and my plan was to start "The Rick for Benevolent Dictator" campain
i don't give a fuck who owns these corporations, corporations should not be given the power to govern. and before you say the corporations dont govern us, a government corporation seems to be a conflict of interests as a corporations first duty is to itself. and a governments first concern is to be the people that elected that government and asked it to look out for us


A corporation is answerable to it's shareholders, who in the case of government-owned utilities, is the fucking government and relevant minister.

[uncle pervy]

"The controversy about the cause of the crash began immediately, when the Accident Investigation Committee (Junta Investigadora de Accidentes, JIA) of the Ecuadorian Air Force attributed the crash to pilot error, supposedly caused by an overloading with cargo. The parliamentary commission formed months after, after pressure from the families of the victims and political groups allied with the president, found contradictions and inconsistencies in the JIA report, but could not reach definitive conclusions. The Zurich Police, who also conducted an investigation, concluded that the plane's motors were shut down when the plane crashed into the mountain. This expert opinion, which contradicted the Air Force Report, was not investigated further by the Ecuadorian government."
sounds like something fishy went on there. nice find cruise

[uncle pervy]

and before you condemned this as conspiracy theory did you even take the time to listen or watch to what perkins had to say?

[Elapid]

Ahhh......the old "bomb in the tape recorder trick", gets them every time.

[uncle pervy]

quote:Originally posted by 2ndclasscitizen


quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

i haven't voted since they removed me from the register and took away my right to vote. albeit temporarily, back in 1985
and my plan was to start "The Rick for Benevolent Dictator" campain
i don't give a fuck who owns these corporations, corporations should not be given the power to govern. and before you say the corporations dont govern us, a government corporation seems to be a conflict of interests as a corporations first duty is to itself. and a governments first concern is to be the people that elected that government and asked it to look out for us

and when a different govt comes to power and a new minister is appointed? what then, as long as things are running smoothly, you think pollies have time to look at the indepth running of these corps. i dont think so. they leave them in the hands of the ceo's who are private sector and have other interests other than the australian public

A corporation is answerable to it's shareholders, who in the case of government-owned utilities, is the fucking government and relevant minister.

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

and before you condemned this as conspiracy theory did you even take the time to listen or watch to what perkins had to say?


Not surprisingly, no I didn't.

I chose read what people with knowledge on the subject had to say such as him being "a vainglorious peddler of nonsense"

and that there was:
"a lack of documentary or testimonial evidence to corroborate the claim that the NSA was involved in his hiring to Chas T. Main. In addition, the author of the State Department release claims that the NSA "is a cryptological (codemaking and codebreaking) organization, not an economic organization" and that its missions do not involve "anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries."

[Tony Nitrous]

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/9934/shuti.gif

[uncle pervy]

these people of knowledge you refer too who are they and where can i find their writings. i would know who they are and to read what they say. wouldn't be corporate and govt folk would they?

[Cruisecontrol]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/26/AR2006022601265.html

http://www.america.gov/st/washfile-english/2006/February/20060202155604atlahtnevel6.165713e-02.html

[uncle pervy]

sorry cruise, but i wouldn't call the american govt site credible. as if they would admit to anything, and as for the esteemed washington post. seems they forgot to mention the reason corporations nowadays pay the locals better than they ever did, is because the american public kicked up and had congress pass laws to stop corporations from running "sweatshops" and exploiting the populace of third world countries.
i wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that the post coloumist was approached and asked to write that particular piece on behalf of the govt you know in exchange for some future exclusive. after all the politician best friend and tool is the media

[Hillsy]

So you readily dismiss the Washington Post and the US govt sites as not credible but you blindly accept the writings of some "ex economic hitman" who's trying to sell his novel?

Back to square one.......

[xa-mont]

he is OBVIOUSLY more credible! DER!!!

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by Hillsy

So you readily dismiss the Washington Post and the US govt sites as not credible but you blindly accept the writings of some "ex economic hitman" who's trying to sell his novel?




Come on Hillsy, be fair.

He has also written:

Psychonavigation: Techniques for Travel Beyond Time

and

Shapeshifting: Shamanic Techniques for Global and Personal Transformation

So the guy is obviously beyond reproach...

[Hillsy]

quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol


quote:Originally posted by Hillsy

So you readily dismiss the Washington Post and the US govt sites as not credible but you blindly accept the writings of some "ex economic hitman" who's trying to sell his novel?




Come on Hillsy, be fair.

He has also written:

Psychonavigation: Techniques for Travel Beyond Time

and

Shapeshifting: Shamanic Techniques for Global and Personal Transformation

So the guy is obviously beyond reproach...


I watched "The Men Who Stare at Goats" last night.......seems like it could have been written by the same guy :D

[uncle pervy]

yes i find him credible the names he mentions would leave him open to be sued for libel and or slander, yet it hasnt happened and that tells me there is truth in what he says and since we are talking about corporate bureaucracy
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/more-whitefellas-but-nothing-gets-done-says-alison-anderson/story-fn59niix-1225937072730
An investigation by The Australian has revealed a massive increase in the number of public servants employed in the NT since the intervention began, with the number of extra bureaucrats employed since 2007 almost equalling the number of front-line workers such as police, teachers and health workers.
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/money/investing/investors-warned-of-qr-floats-tax-risks/story-e6fredl3-1225936915689
THE "mum and dad" investors targeted in Queensland's QR National float have been told to factor in taxes on carbon and mining profits.
"Ms Bligh insisted the government would be "hands off" in terms of management". know what that says to me? the corporation can do what ever they like, the govt wont be looking over its shoulder. chalk up another win to the corporate body.

oh and cruise the title of a book means nothing for example "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by robert pursig. has nothing to do with motorcycle maintenance at all.

[uncle pervy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
quote "The epilogue to the 2006 edition provides a rebuttal to the current move by the G8 nations to forgive Third World debt. Perkins charges that the proposed conditions for this debt forgiveness require countries to privatise their health, education, electric, water and other public services. Those countries would also have to discontinue subsidies and trade restrictions that support local business, but accept the continued subsidization of certain G8 businesses by the US and other G8 countries, and the erection of trade barriers on imports that threaten G8 industries."
sebastian mallaby the esteemed post colomnist didn't report that bit of information in his column, did he?

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy


oh and cruise the title of a book means nothing


I understand your point but unfortunately, in this instance, it has absolutely no relevance whatsoever...

Psychonavigation: Techniques for Travel Beyond Time

"This groundbreaking book is John Perkins’s firsthand account of his experiences with the shamanic technique of psychonavigation--a method of traveling outside the body by means of visions and dream wanderings--and his encounters with the Shuar of the Amazon, the Quechua of the Andes, and the Bugis of Indonesia."

Shapeshifting: Techniques for Global and Personal Transformation

"Many indigenous cultures have known the art of shapeshifting: the actual transformation of a human being into another living creature. Lakota Sioux warriors would shapeshift into buffalo to become better hunters and to honor the animal, and Andean shamans transform into plants from the jungle to learn healing power. In this book, author John Perkins examines these ancient shamanic practices and reveals the mental techniques that enable an individual to merge with another living creature."

[JackTar]

Fuck, someone else has beaten me to yet another book I was going to write. Damn you world.

[uncle pervy]

psychonavigation. sounds like a fancy way of saying astro-travelling. so it has nothing to do with time travel. pity

[uncle pervy]

ok so who is this sebastion mallaby the washington post colomnist. hmmm he's an economist who works for CFR The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is an independent, nonpartisan membership organization, think tank, and publisher. so far so good
oh wait look at this...
The David Rockefeller Studies Program—CFR's think tank—is composed of more than fifty full-time and adjunct fellows who cover the major regions and significant issues shaping today's international agenda.
the rockefeller's? aren't they rich bankers, hmmmmm
so one of the very persons perkins says is behind the scenes of things is the parent body of the employer of the man who refutes perkins claims and in the process doesnt disclose the full story, only bits to try and discredit perkins.
yeah thats a credible person

[Cruisecontrol]

Well done, Columbo.
You have provided a tenuous link to banking and an assumption to prove this man's views irrelevant.

Oh and did you forget this little chestnut?

"a lack of documentary or testimonial evidence to corroborate the claim that the NSA was involved in his hiring to Chas T. Main. In addition, the author of the State Department release claims that the NSA "is a cryptological (codemaking and codebreaking) organization, not an economic organization" and that its missions do not involve "anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries."

[uncle pervy]

the first economic hit man was kermit roosevelt grandson of teddy rooservelt and c.i.a. operative. after he went into iran and placed the shah in power it was decided that as a u.s. govt official kermit could of brought down the whole scheme. so it was decided to use subterfuge to retain complete deniability.
dont feel bad that your were taken in by their lies. thats their job and they have taken in far better (no offence) people than you. whole governments in fact. sadly for them the interweb is providing a chance for people to correlate vast amounts of information. slowly their web of lies and deceit is coming apart and i thank you cruise. for without you i never would of looked into this and learned the things im learning

[Cruisecontrol]

LOL

[sharky]

quote:sadly for them the interweb is providing a chance for people to correlate vast amounts of information.
I read it on the internet...it must be true....

[uncle pervy]

dont know why your laughing cruise
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kermit_Roosevelt
but read this, im sure you'll get a tickle out of it

[uncle pervy]

or maybe you prefer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kermit_Roosevelt,_Jr.
Kermit "Kim" Roosevelt, Jr. (February 16, 1916 – June 8, 2000), was a Special Activities Division political action officer who coordinated the Central Intelligence Agency's (CIA) Operation Ajax, which orchestrated the coup d’état against Iran's democratically-elected prime minister, Mohammed Mosaddeq, and returned Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran, to Iran's Peacock Throne in August 1953. He was also the grandson of American president Theodore Roosevelt.

[Elapid]

quote:Originally posted by sharky
I read it on the internet...it must be true....


If it is People/Picture there would be no doubt as to it being fact. As yet I've seen none of this in there so I think Uncle Pervy is posting links that are full of shit:D

[sharky]

http://strangelyperfect.tv/456/shit-types/

[Cruisecontrol]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

dont know why your laughing cruise



I am laughing because you sound like every other crackpot conspiracy theorist that thinks they have just stumbled onto something new and are now somehow intellectually superior because of it.

I don't doubt that some of what you have written is correct but to ball it all together with guesswork and assumption and call it indisputable fact is just laughable.

You started out with a simple statement looking for people's opinions on an alternate way of life and in a matter of weeks have turned yourself into something the likes of HOS would be most proud of.
Just post up a story of aliens throwing rocks at your house and the transformation will be complete...

[Elapid]

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/19838/aliens-throw-meteorites-at-bosnian-man/

Like that Dan?

[Cruisecontrol]

That's the one!

http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1286898746.jpg

[336LJ]

While I can also agree that some of this is true - its no use trying to ram it down everyone elses throat, especially if no one wants to believe it. its difficult to sound convincing just going on 2nd and 3rd hand information. I give people one go and if they don't want to know about it - stiff shit I'll inform someone who will use the information, too much time and energy spent on absorbing and informing all this information about how fucked we really are just robs you of any time you might be able to just coast along with the system where it matters and enjoy life as best you can.

[sharky]

Back in the 80's/90's when the Poll Tax was introduced in the UK loads of people demonstrated and made a big noise...demanding their day in court to protest it blah blah blah...
Whereas myself and a few others quietly disappeared into the background and I never received a bill addresses to me..
So sometimes doing nothing can work [^]

So maybe you just pack ya bags and head off into the middle of whoop whoop butt fuk nowhere and there you can be a free man...

[Redmohawk]

Only stick your head up enough to see whats going on then pop it back down and get on with what ever floats your boat before the mower comes to chop it off lol

[uncle pervy]

your right, this is way off topic, but i just got so incensed with cruise calling conspiracy theory on everything i just had to prove him wrong.
william casey who was the director of the cia from 1980 to 1987, oversaw covert assistance to the mujahadeen resistance in Afghanistan, with a budget of over $1 billion, by working closely with Akhtar Abdur Rahman, the Director General of Inter-Services Intelligence of Pakistan; and with the Solidarity movement in Poland; and with a number of coups and attempted coups in South- and Central America.
in 1981, Perkins became deeply disturbed by the death of his friend and the leader of Panama, Omar Torrijos. Perkins believes that his friend Torrijos’ death in a plane crash was a CIA assassination because of his positions on the Panama Canal (Torrijos had achieved his goal of taking back the Canal) and his unwillingness to cooperate with American corporations.
well guess what?
Hours before Casey was scheduled to testify before Congress related to his knowledge of Iran-Contra, he was reported to have been mysteriously rendered incapable of speech, and was later hospitalized. he died a few days after.
however he named john perkins in his book Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981-1987, that he dictated to Washington Post, reporter, and biographer, Bob Woodward.
i own that book