Someone remind me why we bother.

[JackTar]

Why the fuck do we spend so much time money and effort keeping our licences in date and our vehicles registered?

I had to escort one of my cadets to court today and apart from the other complete social fucking rejects I watched parade their poorly dressed arses through that courtroom there was one particular douchebag. This waste of fucking space is 30 years old, has never held a licence and got done driving without one for the third time. Have a guess what his senetence was in its entirety? HE CAN'T APPLY FOR A FUCKING LICENCE FOR THREE YEARS

Does it really take a rocket scientist to figure out that he has absolutely no intention of applying for one anyway therefore this will not affect him at all?

What the fuck is going on with this country?

[MrsGitzy]

Ahhhh I hear ya Jacktar. The court system is fucked beyond belief.

Did they blame you for it though? [:p]

[Elapid]

Pretty lame.

[Gitzy]

Wouldn't it be great if we could cull these fucktards from society, wastes of space who disregard everything and cop piss ant discipline when they get caught only to do it again and again...

[Snaffler]

WTF?

blood hell im on a suspended sentence for 12mths after driving while disqualified for the second time and i was lucky to get even that as the prick judge wanted to give me a mandatory 3mths jail and there was over 15 years between the first and second driving while disqualified..

[Large]

quote:Originally posted by JackTar

Why the fuck do we spend so much time money and effort keeping our licences in date and our vehicles registered?

I had to escort one of my cadets to court today and apart from the other complete social fucking rejects I watched parade their poorly dressed arses through that courtroom there was one particular douchebag. This waste of fucking space is 30 years old, has never held a licence and got done driving without one for the third time. Have a guess what his senetence was in its entirety? HE CAN'T APPLY FOR A FUCKING LICENCE FOR THREE YEARS

Does it really take a rocket scientist to figure out that he has absolutely no intention of applying for one anyway therefore this will not affect him at all?

What the fuck is going on with this country?


Aren't you in canerbraa? The same state/territory that politicians like to get right royally shitfaced in?

Do you need any more clues?

[Redmohawk]

Just another reason to go HMMMMMMMMMMMM

[Gitzy]

quote:Originally posted by Snaffler

WTF?

blood hell im on a suspended sentence for 12mths after driving while disqualified for the second time and i was lucky to get even that as the prick judge wanted to give me a mandatory 3mths jail and there was over 15 years between the first and second driving while disqualified..


I'm a little confused here, Your prob gonna get shits with me, but that judge is doing his job and he's the "Prick"..

"driving while disqualified for the second time" doesn't scream dickhead to you??

[fimpBIKES]

x2

[ralph]

Yeah, I rekon anyone who doesnt wear a suit and tie should be shot.

We spend the time and effort registering our vehicles and paying for our licences over and over so we can ride our bikes on the toll roads and get charged again

While I'm on the topic, isnt it time we reduced the maximum speed limit in the state to 30kph.
There has been far too many crashes for my liking lately

[JackTar]

ralph are you drunk again?

[ralph]

Still

[HOS]

Same problem as every other country mate.
A Global situation.


Stupidity is like an infectious desease [xx(]

[336LJ]

You know there are actually people who are exercising their "inalienable god given rights" under common law/constitution/magna carta etc. (Its been a while since I read up on it) to travel about this lands roads and highways without interference, in anonymity and without tax unless engaging in commerce. (forget the exact wording). basically meaning - no licence, no rego, and nothing those enforcing Admiralty law can do about it. with exception to the laws governing the humble old police man/woman (not policy enforcement officer) in regards to the safety of others. so you could be stopped for driving an "about to explode" shit tin, or drink driving, dangerous driving...

Some are able to actually subject the public servant (police officer) to a fee schedule for their time spent on the side of the road, or their property being seized, or even being arrested or injured by a police officer.

I also know a guy around where I live who has been doing this for years, and every time he gets pulled over he is treated like shit - last time he got the ol wrist buster moves practiced on him repeatedly, held beyond the legal time someone can be detained for without charges, physically and verbally tortured then thrown in a cell for 4 days after that.. and denied any legal advice.

.. I still pay rego cause I'm not that smart, and not that tough!

[Jup]

To answer your original question JackTar, I do it because I can't be bothered going to court everytime I get pulled over for a breatho/license check. In my case it'd be cheaper.

[Snaffler]

quote:

I'm a little confused here, Your prob gonna get shits with me, but that judge is doing his job and he's the "Prick"..

"driving while disqualified for the second time" doesn't scream dickhead to you??


no your right gitz i was a dick head for doing it and payed the price for it.
i was stupid enough to think my job was that important after a mate failed to pick me up this morning and gave me 10mins notice he couldnt and as i took my job seriously and was never late i jumped in the car to make it on time..
was no ones fault but mine as i should of just rang my work and said id be late..

the only reason why i call him a prick is that 2 guys before my turn,
first one head butts 2 cops and got a good behavior bond,
the second got busted with 502 ecstacy tablets under the seat of his car and he got off with a suspended sentence..
i go up and im told by him im doing 3mths jail straight off the bat for a repeat offense i did over 15 years ago.. even my lawyer was upset about it and called it off for another day, another judge..
the second judge seen it how it really was and said 12mth suspended sentence because the offense was over 10 years old..

[Gitzy]

Ahh ok so judge WAS dickhead.. fair call..

The facts make it heeeaaaps clearer than your first post..

All good mate, you got some shite luck there with going to work that day.. :(

I'm only a youngin meself but I hear all to often how fucked police and judges are from younger guys at my work who truly are dickheads thinking they've done nothing wrong and getting busted time after time.. it frustrates me..

PS. I ain't no saint.. ;)

[RevHead]

hey judge told me that if im caught driving in my 12 months off the road i get 3yrs in gaol ,wtf,1st time ive lost my licence in 30yr of riding ,,,i think it depends on the mood the cunts r in when they rock up to work,,

[336LJ]

quote:Originally posted by Snaffler


quote:

I'm a little confused here, Your prob gonna get shits with me, but that judge is doing his job and he's the "Prick"..

"driving while disqualified for the second time" doesn't scream dickhead to you??


no your right gitz i was a dick head for doing it and payed the price for it.
i was stupid enough to think my job was that important after a mate failed to pick me up this morning and gave me 10mins notice he couldnt and as i took my job seriously and was never late i jumped in the car to make it on time..
was no ones fault but mine as i should of just rang my work and said id be late..

the only reason why i call him a prick is that 2 guys before my turn,
first one head butts 2 cops and got a good behavior bond,
the second got busted with 502 ecstacy tablets under the seat of his car and he got off with a suspended sentence..
i go up and im told by him im doing 3mths jail straight off the bat for a repeat offense i did over 15 years ago.. even my lawyer was upset about it and called it off for another day, another judge..
the second judge seen it how it really was and said 12mth suspended sentence because the offense was over 10 years old..


Worst part about ANY legal issue, is that it always comes down to interpretation. there might not be any amendments to laws, or any clear RULE (most traffic offenses always have a grey area)but depending on how it is worded before a judge, the end result can be anything. even what you look like.. or if the judge didn't get any from his missus the night before and is in a shitty mood.

At this point I would also like to point out, that to be judged, is apparently to be judged by your peers. by a jury of 12, no magistrate or single judge can sentence you or pass judgement legally without bias. Its in the constitution, and every single person in this country has the right to have a legal matter heard by a jury of 12 people, and by a court of competent jurisdiction that conforms to the constitution. there must be at least 2 magistrates present for there to be no bias. A single magistrate is a bail justice and you can refuse to give consent to have the matter heard before them.

[Jockney Rebel]

..get organised and annoy the fuck out of your local pollie yer preaching to the coverted here
for those of you in nsw ill be seeing you in sydney on the 31st no doubt

[uncle pervy]

hey 336lj. you got a reference you can point me at concerning the points you brought up here? this interests me

[BOHEMION]

Revolving Door Justice Jacktar, come in pay some money, go out to get caught again pay some more.

[Weaselman]

Welcome to NSW the police state...

[BOHEMION]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

hey 336lj. you got a reference you can point me at concerning the points you brought up here? this interests me


Me too

[uncle pervy]

hey Bohemion i found this, kinda explains it and evens tells you how to get out of a speeding camera fine by asking that the plaintiff (the camera) be brought into court to testify. and since it cant, you have the case dismissed.
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/07/12/21/claim-back-your-freedom-notice-understanding-and-intent-and-claim-right
i will add anything else i find

[Snaffler]

quote:Originally posted by Gitzy

Ahh ok so judge WAS dickhead.. fair call..

The facts make it heeeaaaps clearer than your first post..

All good mate, you got some shite luck there with going to work that day.. :(

I'm only a youngin meself but I hear all to often how fucked police and judges are from younger guys at my work who truly are dickheads thinking they've done nothing wrong and getting busted time after time.. it frustrates me..

PS. I ain't no saint.. ;)


all good mate ;)

but heres another,
i had a ghost plate on my rego plate and a cop pulls me over for it..
gets out the car, i say hello and hows it going, he just be`s a down and out cunt talking to me like im a piece of shit..
fines me and i loose 3 points, fair enough but then i get to work and notice his wrote in some wrong details on the fine
(not my license number) so i sent the fine back quoting incorrect details.. courts reply back saying the fine will be re issued in the mail.. fair enough worth the shot to get out of the fine..
receive the mail the other day, the cop never issued me the fine, now i have to take a day off work as his taking me to court instead and i read his statement attached and its all bullshit right down to the location and where and how he pulled me up..

why lie if they claim they have voice recordings of the time he pulled me up/over... so ive asked for a copy of the convo so the lawyer can hear it for her self that the prick was trying to rip my plate off my car and me screaming at him to not damage my car also trying to tell him i only worked 1 street away and he can follow me if he wished but took no for an answer and continued to keep trying to break my plate off and scratching my paint on my ute..

[uncle pervy]

The basic premise of free man on the land, is that you believe that the only law which has juristiction over you is Common Law. The law our police, magistrates, councils etc use is Commercial Law which is law of the sea, sometimes called Maritime law or Admirality law. By refusing to enter into contracts with these so-called authorities, they do not have juristiction over you, and therefore, avoid all convictions for breaking laws that you dont acknowldge

[uncle pervy]

We are told that we live in a free society. There is no greater test of freedom then being able to leave. In order to understand this idea better, we need to know some words and their definitions. First off, a society is a group of people joined together by mutual consent to deliberate, determine and act for a common goal. Notice how there is no mention of geographical area? Being in a certain geographical area might give you the right to join a society; however it cannot create an obligation to join. See that mutual consent part? Pay attention to it, it will become very important.
Now what is a statute? Is a statute law? The answer is yes and no. It is not the law, but it is a rule, which has the force of law, within a society. Statutes are the laws of a society. Outside of society, they have no effect at all.
I look at society as a house party, not a prison. At this party, there is food and music. We have a system set up which is supposed to determine what music is played and what food is served. This system is supposed to be democratic in nature, where the majority decides. Now if you don’t like the food, music, rules of the house, or the system designed to determine those things, you are perfectly free to leave. Maybe in the house (in society) you can’t smoke or own a gun. Does this mean you can’t do those things once you leave? Of course not! If you are no longer in the house, its rules no longer apply to you. These statutes which governments call laws, are all the laws of the society, or the house. Leave society, and these rules are no longer your laws. Those remaining behind will still have to obey them, you will not. Of course, you won’t be able to eat the food or listen to the music (collect benefits), either.
The simple fact is if this is a free society, we have the right to leave. If we do not have that right, it is neither free, nor a society. If our society was a house party, this is what we would see. At the food table, they are serving scraps and crumbs, while we hear them in the back kitchen whooping it up with their supplier friends (bankers). The music is either a Military March or a Polka. The waiters (government workers) are acting more and more like prison guards. There are mirrors everywhere, not enough seats and more than enough smoke. The door leading out of this party has been well hidden and hasn’t been opened for a long time. They might have even welded it
shut. If we are to have a free society, then every once in a while, someone must leave. This will ensure that people know they are free to do so; someone must guard that door and ensure it opens easily. This will also allow those remaining in the house, to see what it’s like outside, without venturing forth themselves. If they decide its better outside, then they too are free to leave.
I intend to leave society. I am not moving physically, either. As a human being born in this country, I have the Common Law right to travel anywhere within it. I also have the right to join or not join societies as I see fit. I cannot be forced to consent. If I refuse to consent, none of the statutes everyone else calls laws will have the force of law with me.
I am leaving this party, not because I reject society, but because I wish to embrace it. I want a good one. One that is as free as can be. I reject the way in which this society deliberates, determines and acts for the common goal. I am not even sure we all have a common goal anymore. Those we elect to provide us with food and music are not doing their jobs. The servants are getting uppity and actually think they are in charge. The elected representatives are not doing their jobs. I am sick of the rules of this house, the meager portions and the blaring music. I will open this long closed door, stand on the other side and wave at you. I will do things lawfully that you cannot do, for you are still in the house.
When I am outside your society and therefore free of its rules, this does not mean there is no law. I do not claim the right to harm another human being, damage property, engage in fraud or extortion or break contracts. I will follow the Law. I just won’t give statutes created by governments the force of law. I will achieve this by constructively denying consent to be governed.
When I see that members of society once again have recourse to the Law and those we elect to ‘serve the food’ are serving more than they eat, when these statutes are less deceptive and I know that the door outside is wide open at all times instead of being so well hidden, when the servants are acting more like servants, when the portions are bigger and there is less revelling in the kitchen, when the police are abiding by the law and willing to investigate government ministries, then I will consider rejoining.
When you see me travelling down the road in my car, exercising my Common Law right to travel, and I do not have a license, know I am not breaking the law. Please don’t moan about how we all have to follow the same rules. You are in a society, and I am not. You have consented and I have not. You have benefits that I do not. You are free to give up those benefits for more freedom, just as I will have done. Also, please do not think I am rejecting those staying behind in this society. Like a scout doing recon, I am giving up the security you enjoy, to ensure that you don’t lose your freedom.Do not be angry with me for becoming aware of government deception, or for acting against it. If you insist on being angry then be angry with those who have hidden this door to freedom from you for so long. Be angry with those who tore apart a family and denied citizens recourse to the law. Be angry with the police for refusing to investigate a government ministry just because it is a government ministry. Be angry with your elected representatives for refusing to address crimes within that same ministry. Be angry with them for using so much deception in their legislation. Be angry with the media for constantly referring to new statutes as laws, instead of telling you they are nothing more than the rules of society and that you are free to leave that society if you don’t like the new statute.
The freedom you will achieve by opening this door and leaving society will cost you nothing and it will empower you over those who claim they are your government. If we are to have a free society, this door must be open at all times. There is not one person among you who can not lawfully force me to consent to being governed, nor is there one among you who can lawfully apply society’s statutes to me when I am outside of society.
Robert Menard

[RevHead]

no its all bullshit with more police cars radars cops n fuckers doing wot ever they can to take your licence ,,now the police n rta in n.s.w can book you for point to point speed,,,so youl get a letter to the effect of ,youve lost your licence ,your reply to the rta,,,why,,the rta reply to you. actually drove on 1 of our roads ,

[uncle pervy]

20 October 2009

The High Court Of Australia ruled that a statutory body (i.e. a private corporation) that is not a court has no judicial authority and cannot act judicially. An example being that the State Debt Recovery Office (SDRO), a statutory body of New South Wales (another statutory body) of the Commonwealth Of Australia (another statutory body), cannot impose any judgement or penalty or fines, which can only be done by a court. The SDRO is not a court, instead is a private corporation conducting business/commerce. So the cancelling of car licenses and registrations at the direction of the SDRO to the Road and Traffic Authority (RTA) of New South Wales, Australia (another private corporation conducting business/commerce) is unlawful. So Says The Rules Of The High Court Of The Land, that's unless there is a twist and all Australia's courts be it common, admiralty, civil, equity, family, children, local, high, federal, supreme, etc, are statutory bodies and the people were not provided with full disclosure that the judges, magistrates, etc were actually conducting business/commerce.

[uncle pervy]

wanna beat the camera fine?
http://loveforlife.com.au/content/08/09/18/checkmate-speeding-fine-camera-offence-case-dismissed

[ralph]

Saw a bloke in court today , had a dressing gown on and a ratty fuckin horsehair wig
Whats the world coming to???

[Shadowzone]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

20 October 2009

The High Court Of Australia ruled that a statutory body (i.e. a private corporation) that is not a court has no judicial authority and cannot act judicially. An example being that the State Debt Recovery Office (SDRO), a statutory body of New South Wales (another statutory body) of the Commonwealth Of Australia (another statutory body), cannot impose any judgement or penalty or fines, which can only be done by a court. The SDRO is not a court, instead is a private corporation conducting business/commerce. So the cancelling of car licenses and registrations at the direction of the SDRO to the Road and Traffic Authority (RTA) of New South Wales, Australia (another private corporation conducting business/commerce) is unlawful. So Says The Rules Of The High Court Of The Land, that's unless there is a twist and all Australia's courts be it common, admiralty, civil, equity, family, children, local, high, federal, supreme, etc, are statutory bodies and the people were not provided with full disclosure that the judges, magistrates, etc were actually conducting business/commerce.



I need the exact Ruling of this please. I will be using it against SPER in Qld next time they attempt to enforce the cancellation of my licence, which incidentally I require for the generation of my income. I will be using that to have the cancellation nullified in the Mags court when I'm summonsed by the local Constabulary for unlicensed driving and set a wonderful precedent which will then shut the fuckers down...

[BANDITROD]

quote:Originally posted by revheadpete

hey judge told me that if im caught driving in my 12 months off the road i get 3yrs in gaol ,wtf,1st time ive lost my licence in 30yr of riding ,,,i think it depends on the mood the cunts r in when they rock up to work,,
and how fast was that again

[uncle pervy]

i'll see what i can dig up shadz. but remember i aint a lawyer and only started to look into this yesterday
keep ya's posted

[Shadowzone]

Thanks mate. Muchos Grazias.

[uncle pervy]

quote:Originally posted by uncle pervy

ok here goes.
this stems back to the boilermaker case of 1956
DISCLAIMER I am not a lawyer so these facts taken from the boilermakers case need to be checked by yourself or your lawyer

The proposition that judicial power can be vested
only in federal courts need not in itself involve the conclusion that such courts cannot be given other
functions, but it does mean that a body primarily non-judicial cannot be given judicial functions as an
incident of its non-judicial functions and ancillary thereto. A body even with the tenure required for a
federal court cannot be invested with functions of a judicial character as ancillary to a part of its general
non-judicial functions. It is an infringement of the judicial independence and contrary to the division of
powers provided for in the Constitution to confer non-judicial functions on a federal court. [He referred
to Victorian Stevedoring & General Contracting Co. Pty. Ltd. and Meakes v. Dignan 5 , at pp. 89 et
seq., 94.] If as a result of In re Judiciary and Navigation Acts 6 the High Court is precluded from
exercising any power of a judicial character other than the judicial power of the Commonwealth, it
necessarily follows that it is precluded from being invested with any non-judicial power.
if a non-judicial body is set up, as here
where the primary function is arbitral, judicial power cannot be conferred upon it.

[RevHead]

quote:Originally posted by BANDITROD


quote:Originally posted by revheadpete

hey judge told me that if im caught driving in my 12 months off the road i get 3yrs in gaol ,wtf,1st time ive lost my licence in 30yr of riding ,,,i think it depends on the mood the cunts r in when they rock up to work,,
and how fast was that again
the cop ,claimed with no radar, or lidar,that he was 2 seconds behind me in a ,toyota averis, that i was doing 280ks on my 900 fireblade,neveress to say the magistrate, through that charge out,and did me for 145ks in a 100 zone,,hey i was on a country road in the middle of nowhere ,but never the less on a road,[}:)]

[336LJ]

this so far is the closest info I could find relating directly to Australian common law.
Its very hard to cross reference other commonwealth countries and their laws with ours. its all jumbled.
This has audio that plays automatically. and is actually better than reading it. BUT.. its a bit queer in a sense that its like the CONSTITUTION.. is talking to you.. (I have no idea why) and it misses some stuff they have added in the text later.
http://www.larryhannigan.com/VOC.htm
I also urge anyone here to check out http://aussiespeedingfines.com/
I bought the ebook.. its fkng awesome. when directly related to unjust speeding fines its a huge help, even in getting your affairs in order before you go to court. so you have a better, more organised argument.
I only paid my last fine recently cause I have a bit going on elsewhere awaiting a court case, and when I arced up about them calling me names (The 2 cops) I realised it put me in a bad position if it were infront of a judge (lol) cause I sounded like a prick :P. once they realised I was going to fight it (which you want to act like you arent going to do) they dotted their i's and crossed their t's hit me with the max penalty. and probably got their stories straight. they broke so many fucking rules.. in their OWN rule book but I didn't take pics of them they were getting pretty nasty.
And uncle pervy thats right on the money that stuff you have posted so far.

[uncle pervy]

cheers thanks mate. and i gree with you on the aussiespeedingfines. that shits just the testicular appendage's of feathered water fowl