another new toy for the shed

[Deano]

finially picked up a lathe. got this second hand. it is a AL540 from hare and forbes. was going to just buy a new one but this one came up for less than half the price but with standard extras plus a 3jaw 200mm chuck, live centre set, 5lt of coolant, drill chuck and arbour for the tailstock. it is a 2003 build used in a machine shop that only traded a couple of days a week. the guy closed the shop down 2 years after he brought the lathe and it has sat in the shed since 2005 and only used a few times since. is like new but will need a single phase conversion like my mill. have already worked out how to do it just need to get another motor and invertor run a couple of wires and away we go

it is a 356 swing (more with gap out) 1000mm centres. 3.2hp (soon to be changed to 3hp) full specs can be found here

https://www.machineryhouse.com.au/Products?stockCode=L186

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if i find the need i will fit a digital read out and quick change toolpost.

[Hagarr]

Oh yeah tell me more!

What accessories you get??

By the way you're a jammy sod, how much??

[Hagarr]

Sorry should have read the link.

Wow thats cheap!

[Deano]

just edited the original post mate

[EXBEN]

Nice pickup, It's the same size as mine ( different brand tho) & it's the perfect size for most things.
You'll find you use it more than the mill too.

[RevHead]

fuck thats nice bloke ;

[Deano]

quote:Originally posted by EXBEN

Nice pickup, It's the same size as mine ( different brand tho) & it's the perfect size for most things.
You'll find you use it more than the mill too.


yeah i figured it is easier to do a little job on a bigger lathe than do a big job on a small lathe.

this is as big as i think i need and about as big as i can go on single phase power

[Swordsy]

The other option for using it on single phase would be something like this
http://www05.abb.com/global/scot/scot201.nsf/veritydisplay/80a69ff8638e40f4c1257754002a46d3/$File/ACS150_ABBcomponent%20drives_catalog_REVE_EN.pdf

[Deano]

using one of these on the mill. will grap a second for the lathe. single phase in 3phase out.

http://www.vacon.com/Default.aspx?id=469084

[Swordsy]

Yeah, same thing, just a different brand.

[EXBEN]

so why do you need a new motor ?

[Swordsy]

I thought he was talking about a single phase motor too, but a "single phase conversion" means run a VSD to the 3 phase motor

[eddahenry]

look close to mine your is a little bigger im 305mm and 950 but mine a 1993
i got it giving to me from a mate that own a CNC shop he ordered 2 new dosoon cnc lathes and needed the space LOL
As for QCTP thee guys are the cheapest i found including shipping and is about a 3rd of the price a buying in AUS
http://cgi.ebay.com/Quick-Change-Piston-Tool-Post-Holders-10-15-200-BXA-/360280658196?cmd=ViewItem&pt=BI_Tool_Work_Holding&hash=item53e2669114
GEt the BXA i stuffed up and got the AXA but it still works
Im keen on A DRO as well im wondering if thee guy would combine post on 2 as it would be REAL cheap than.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SINPO-Digital-Readout-2-Scale-Lathe-Turning-DRO-/250664432351?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item3a5cc3b2df#shId
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[Redmohawk]

Hmmmm tool porn lol

[Deano]

quote:Originally posted by EXBEN

so why do you need a new motor ?


the motor fitted poses 2 problems. first it is a 3.2hp and the max amount you can run on a 3ph to 1ph invertor is 3hp. when running on 240v 3phase you need to change the motor winding connections from star to delta or the other way round, cant remember. this is fine usually but this motor dosn't have those connections present in the terminal box so the motor has to be modified and the connections pulled out of the windings and brought to the terminal box (this is what i did with the mill motor)

secondly this motor is a 2 speed motor and you are not able to run this 2 speed motor (1440 rpm and 720rpm) on the 240v 3phase. so i will be getting a new 3ph 3hp motor that is 1440rpm that can be run on 240v 3ph and the invertor can have a few preset speeds programed so the standard preset speed will be the 1440rpm and when the switch is flicked to low speed it will tell the invertor to run on 25hertz and then give me 720rpm.

[Deano]

thanks for the heads up on the toolpost. would like the 40 position post more but that one will do if the price is right.

[latheboy]

Good one bud, when are you going to quit your day job and play in the shed?

Have you cleaned it or is that how you got it... Are you going to leave it on the wheels?

[Deano]

will be taking it off the wheels but it is easy to move around so will get the power conversion done then take it off the wheels.

i gave it a little clean about 20min worth but it came pretty much as you see it.

[ozzy1100]

good score deano and dont worry 3 hp will be more than u will need
im still waiting for the paper work from one of the factorys i work at for my colchester 2000
doh paid for it cocks said yes but hung up interanl fuck it
the colchester uses a 7.5 hp 3 phase im just swaping out 2 a 4 hp single phase useing the contacts but active and neutral
standard 240 control ..
if u get a index head as well for the mill u will find there will be just about nothing u cant make you really getting some good sized stuff
in yr shed mate and yr right a bit bigger is so much better than a bit smaller but for me looks like i cant afford a good sized mill doh

[Deano]

quote:Originally posted by ozzy1100

good score deano and dont worry 3 hp will be more than u will need
im still waiting for the paper work from one of the factorys i work at for my colchester 2000
doh paid for it cocks said yes but hung up interanl fuck it
the colchester uses a 7.5 hp 3 phase im just swaping out 2 a 4 hp single phase useing the contacts but active and neutral
standard 240 control ..
if u get a index head as well for the mill u will find there will be just about nothing u cant make you really getting some good sized stuff
in yr shed mate and yr right a bit bigger is so much better than a bit smaller but for me looks like i cant afford a good sized mill doh


hey mate.

looked at 240v single phase and didnt want to go that way for many reasons. you might want to check out more in how to reverse the single phase motor as i don't think it is a matter of swaping the phases around like the 3phase lathes do.

also check that the transformer is a dual tapping unit. if it is a 415v only then you will have to replace that regardless of what motor you use.

[Large]

Nice toy Dean...

btw- You tool nuts are worse that the gun nuts hereabouts[^]

[ozzy1100]

quote:Originally posted by Deano


quote:Originally posted by ozzy1100

good score deano and dont worry 3 hp will be more than u will need
im still waiting for the paper work from one of the factorys i work at for my colchester 2000
doh paid for it cocks said yes but hung up interanl fuck it
the colchester uses a 7.5 hp 3 phase im just swaping out 2 a 4 hp single phase useing the contacts but active and neutral
standard 240 control ..
if u get a index head as well for the mill u will find there will be just about nothing u cant make you really getting some good sized stuff
in yr shed mate and yr right a bit bigger is so much better than a bit smaller but for me looks like i cant afford a good sized mill doh


hey mate.

looked at 240v single phase and didnt want to go that way for many reasons. you might want to check out more in how to reverse the single phase motor as i don't think it is a matter of swaping the phases around like the 3phase lathes do.

also check that the transformer is a dual tapping unit. if it is a 415v only then you will have to replace that regardless of what motor you use.


im lucky i found the manual online as a scaned pdf
looked up the wireing dir and took 2 one of the sparkys in the factorys i do work for (so machine instaling etc) and as its a old lathe (around 1980) its very stright forward in how it works ..ie dir changed by gear box (motor one way) and all control circuts are just 1 active of the 3 phase so its all 240 control just 3 phase to the contacts triped by 240 so if i rewire an active and netrual 2 the contact leaveing the 240 control (just leaving one contact unused) it should work not a prob . lucky 2 there is no trans so no prob there thankfully lol (110v 3phs etc..)
only real other probs are that the coolant pump is 415 as well but a hare and forbs 240 replacement is under 150 so no prob the light will prob need some work but no big deal so with the 4 hp motor i got for 250 ( cap start and run and able 2 change dir ) it should be well under $1500 all up. I should get the 3 and 4 jaws a fixed steady , 3 live centers ,pipe center, quick change tool post( usa stile) some 20 and 25 tooling and what ever i can get out of them lol

just pissing me off i paid 850 for it 4 weeks ago and the bloke hasnt done the letter of release as yet.........

the al540 tho u have got was one of the 1s i was wanking over out of the book , i would have even been happy with the 330, but u have got a good size- beter range on screew cut, x and y feed ,sep lead and feed screews etc... u will really have all u need 2 do some wicked shit
a mate of mine has a mill and lathe in his shed and spends most nights building drag race parts like diffs and blower drives etc god i love it lol