View Full Version : "Top" Road Safety Copper Kills a Biker.
See all the gushing praise for this copper who killed one biker and hurt another, due to his reckless driving ?
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=EDPOnline&tCategory=xDefault&itemid=NOED18%20Jun%202010%2018%3A25%3A32%3A800
He has`nt lost his job either. He didnt have the bollocks to say his positon is untenable and resign as a result.
" He was given a 12 month community order and ordered to do 300 hours unpaid work, which he will have to do away from other offenders. He was also made to pay £600 towards prosecution costs and given a 12 month driving ban. "
Not many words in there for the victims or their families.
Infact the other biker is`nt mentioned at all ! ! ! !
51 testimonials from other pigs who cannot see he did wrong either.
What of the victims ? Oh of course they don`t matter to the pigs or when it comes to road safety.
The bastards who are praising this killer are sick in the head. You know the whole system is bent as fuck when people like this get let off do`nt you ?
Old boys network in action !
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/content/eveningnews24/norwich-news/story.aspx?brand=ENOnline&category=News&tBrand=ENOnline&tCategory=xNews&itemid=NOED18%20Jun%202010%2020%3A04%3A32%3A050
I would say he isnt fit for the job after this.
He would not be able to make balanced choices or decisions in his daily work routine with this on his hands.
Cruisecontrol
29-06-2010, 05:13 AM
Why should a copper with 22 years of unblemished service be treated differently than any member of the public that does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
Why should a copper with 22 years of unblemished service be treated differently than any member of the public that does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?
I dont understand you at all mate, your values are wide of the mark.
I mean, who do you think "does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?"
He isnt a member of the public he`s a copper and road safety specialist. Coppers who lay claim to being road safety specialists have no room for slack when they hammer road safety down our throats every day ?
Do you think its ok for him get off almost scot free and not be sacked ? Road safety is his job.
Don`t see you giving any sympathy for the biker killed and the other victims, just more defence for the copper.... ... says enough to me mate.
Gitzy
29-06-2010, 07:36 AM
I'm a little in the middle on this...
I understand he is a cop who ironically is a road safety speciallist, and not to say I dont feel sympathy for the victims or there families.. but would you feel the same if you took "Cop" and or motorcyclists out of the eqaution Hos, I mean if it was Joe Citizen who lapsed concentration and killed an on coming car would you feel the same or breeze over it in the news upon reading?
I'm all for punishment for all crimes commited premeditated etc, but this could seriously have happened to anyone, including yourself, where all quilty at sometime or another in our lives where we zone out for that split second and either almost or do fuck something up..
In another situation if it had been a friend of yours or maybe a brother, father or whoever who was driving be so quick to crucify them?..
just my 2.5 cents...
quote: immediately after the crash Norwich Crown Court heard how he helped those at the scene and admitted he had not seen the bikers
quote:Pearce, 43, had not been suspended from the force following the fatal road crash although his future is uncertain
quote:Mark Fenhalls, for Pearce, said: “From the beginning, when he said please express my heartfelt sympathy and remorse to the family of Mr Jennings, that is how he has felt.”
He said that it was a “momentary disaster” and said: “He has worked for most of his professional life trying to stop things like this happening.”
He said his response to the accident was to immediately help those at the scene and never sought to blame anyone, but himself.
“Pearce is unable to explain this lapse. This is going to haunt him for the rest of his life”
quote:“The force will now take time to consider whether misconduct proceedings are appropriate.”
Sorry HOS, but I think you saw "cop kills biker" and saw red, at which point you simply stopped actually reading the article.
RevHead
29-06-2010, 08:47 AM
look at any point in cops life he thinks hes ,the man, they actually know there above the law and they know they,l ,get away with murder,99percent of police in australia are rightous pigs,who treat you as guilty long b4 u have done a thing wrong,
Ralphy
29-06-2010, 11:24 AM
Blody hell! The rat should resign at the very least.
fimpBIKES
29-06-2010, 12:18 PM
i imagine that cop would be a wreck after that, if he cared as much as everyone says he would
doubt he would be fit for service for quite some time (assuming all of the accounts are true)
Cruisecontrol
29-06-2010, 01:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by HOS
I dont understand you at all mate, your values are wide of the mark.
I mean, who do you think "does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?"
He isnt a member of the public he`s a copper and road safety specialist. Coppers who lay claim to being road safety specialists have no room for slack when they hammer road safety down our throats every day ?
Do you think its ok for him get off almost scot free and not be sacked ? Road safety is his job.
Don`t see you giving any sympathy for the biker killed and the other victims, just more defence for the copper.... ... says enough to me mate.
As usual you just read what you want and ignore anything that is not relevant to your mindless crusade against authority.
The general PUBLIC are killing motorcyclists every day. They didn't want it to happen any more than the copper did.
Was he chasing him? No.
It was a regulation road ACCIDENT that happened to involve a copper.
Take the blinkers off once in a while and get a look at the whole picture...
sharky
29-06-2010, 01:59 PM
Sorry....but I agree with CC...
Just say for arguements sake you sneeze whilst driving and in that split second you killed someone...Are you guilty of murder ??
RevHead
29-06-2010, 07:14 PM
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
quote:Originally posted by HOS
I dont understand you at all mate, your values are wide of the mark.
I mean, who do you think "does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?"
He isnt a member of the public he`s a copper and road safety specialist. Coppers who lay claim to being road safety specialists have no room for slack when they hammer road safety down our throats every day ?
Do you think its ok for him get off almost scot free and not be sacked ? Road safety is his job.
Don`t see you giving any sympathy for the biker killed and the other victims, just more defence for the copper.... ... says enough to me mate.
As usual you just read what you want and ignore anything that is not relevant to your mindless crusade against authority.
The general PUBLIC are killing motorcyclists every day. They didn't want it to happen any more than the copper did.
Was he chasing him? No.
It was a regulation road ACCIDENT that happened to involve a copper.
Take the blinkers off once in a while and get a look at the whole picture...
[}:)]lets put this into perpective,when i was 19 i was beside a police car in mt dtuitt sydney,ok, i looked at the driver ,who was talking on his police radio,we were in a 60k zone what happined next put me in westmead for 18months,the cock didnt look to see if the road was clear and @ 60 through the police car hard to the right,i ended up being thrown up over the car ,which i landed 15 metres from were i was hit my bike flew over me just missing me ,in short bruised brain,broken left ankle broken right knee,2x broken bones in my left foot 2x broken fingers,and gravel rash on both sides of my hips,and i was wearing proctive clothing,,i got out of hospital and the n.s.w police force hid the cop who hit me / so i couldnt sue the cock ,,,theres justice [:(!for you,so b4 you say cops good ,have a 2nd thought for all the people like me ,:(
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
quote:Originally posted by HOS
I dont understand you at all mate, your values are wide of the mark.
I mean, who do you think "does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?"
He isnt a member of the public he`s a copper and road safety specialist. Coppers who lay claim to being road safety specialists have no room for slack when they hammer road safety down our throats every day ?
Do you think its ok for him get off almost scot free and not be sacked ? Road safety is his job.
Don`t see you giving any sympathy for the biker killed and the other victims, just more defence for the copper.... ... says enough to me mate.
As usual you just read what you want and ignore anything that is not relevant to your mindless crusade against authority.
The general PUBLIC are killing motorcyclists every day. They didn't want it to happen any more than the copper did.
Was he chasing him? No.
It was a regulation road ACCIDENT that happened to involve a copper.
Take the blinkers off once in a while and get a look at the whole picture...
You a copper ? or maybe you work for them ?
Yeah I hate the police, I am 100% open about it. ;)
They are bent, incompetent, negligent and unaccountable.
My own experiences and the experiences of my family and mates dictate my hatred of the bill.
Its not made up in my head, its from very hard experiences.
As a very highly qualified and skilled senior professional all of my life, the police to me are more like a bunch of pikeys. Riddled with Freemasons which is why so many get let off lightly or never face the justice process for their crimes.
I do`nt think that guy is fit for the job. End of.
RevHead
29-06-2010, 08:15 PM
im with hos,mate i got fucked ova 2yrs ago by a cop who held the court process off and the warrent for 18months and when we got to court the charge of riding in the manner furious and dangerous and @ speed,,,285ks was chucked out,if officers dont like you in your area your FUCKED,b4 all this shit went down i looked at cops as just doing there jobs but since then ,I HATE THE FUCKERS,end quote,
The fact is this copper is part of a major road safety group,
he turned right across the path of two bikers riding correctly within the law and with headlights on.
He as a road safety representative and one who no doubt influences police and other road safety policy groups, should have the decency to resign.
He will carry on in his highly paid work promoting safety when he is a killer.
How about the other biker who was injured from being T-boned ? How about his no doubt serious injuries ? How about his ability to work or not for the rest of his life? How about the families who see the copper getting let off lightly and keeping his highly paid job? Those who have been robbed of a loved one and will live with the truama for the rest of their lives. These things not only take and wreck lives they destroy families too.
The effects of the negligent coppers actions are very far reaching for both families and friends of the two bikers.
You have to do a serious smash to appreciate how much damage this kinda thing causes to not only the partners, but the children, brothers and sisters and friends who see this guy carrying on as before with no justice.
I guess some peoples sense of justice is screwed.
The copper as a representattive of a major road safety initiative was utterly negligent in turning across the path of two bikers without looking. The punishment or disciplinary proceedings must reflect that.
El_Hefty
29-06-2010, 08:48 PM
quote:Originally posted by revheadpete
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
quote:Originally posted by HOS
I dont understand you at all mate, your values are wide of the mark.
I mean, who do you think "does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?"
He isnt a member of the public he`s a copper and road safety specialist. Coppers who lay claim to being road safety specialists have no room for slack when they hammer road safety down our throats every day ?
Do you think its ok for him get off almost scot free and not be sacked ? Road safety is his job.
Don`t see you giving any sympathy for the biker killed and the other victims, just more defence for the copper.... ... says enough to me mate.
As usual you just read what you want and ignore anything that is not relevant to your mindless crusade against authority.
The general PUBLIC are killing motorcyclists every day. They didn't want it to happen any more than the copper did.
Was he chasing him? No.
It was a regulation road ACCIDENT that happened to involve a copper.
Take the blinkers off once in a while and get a look at the whole picture...
[}:)]lets put this into perpective,when i was 19 i was beside a police car in mt dtuitt sydney,ok, i looked at the driver ,who was talking on his police radio,we were in a 60k zone what happined next put me in westmead for 18months,the cock didnt look to see if the road was clear and @ 60 through the police car hard to the right,i ended up being thrown up over the car ,which i landed 15 metres from were i was hit my bike flew over me just missing me ,in short bruised brain,broken left ankle broken right knee,2x broken bones in my left foot 2x broken fingers,and gravel rash on both sides of my hips,and i was wearing proctive clothing,,i got out of hospital and the n.s.w police force hid the cop who hit me / so i couldnt sue the cock ,,,theres justice [:(!for you,so b4 you say cops good ,have a 2nd thought for all the people like me ,:(
got any pictures of that?
One of many bad uns with the filth:
My bike smash in 2001 when I was left for dead by a hit and run car driver. In a ditch under my Busa, country road, bust to fuck, unconscious and an hour to die, no witnesses either.
Fortunately I was a very large ugly cunt at the time. :D
So unbeknown to me the pigs bagged up all the evidence at the crime scene of the car that hit me. The wing mirror which broke off on my arm, the broken glass that lacerated my arm and body, the plastic bumper parts that broke against my leg.
Pigs never took a written statement from me at any stage.
The pigs never completed the accident report despite the road closure and presence of air ambulance, normal ambulance, two police cars and a fire tender.
The pigs refused for look for the bastard.
When I came to apply to claim under the consortium of insurance companys under the "untraced driver claim" procedure. The pigs never told me they had any evidence.
My brother had returned to the scene of the accident after seeing me in Casualty, when the the pigs were still there and he saw them putting the car parts in forensics bags at the time. I didnt know this till much later.
When I asked them about this evidence they denied having any.
Think about this? No evidence of a car having hit me = no compensation claim. " You just lost control and came of the road sir"
My younger bro who is also a pro, had to give statement that he witnessed the pigs removing evidence before the pigs would acknowledge they had any. Had my bro not returned to the scene of the accident and seen this, we would never even have known there was any evidence !
The pigs then said they had lost the evidence.
The only time I saw the pigs was when they came round to my house 12 weeks after I left hospital with years of surgery, trauma and treatment ahead of me. The 2 lady liaison officers sat on my settee and told me "as I had`nt died that day it was`nt really worth them investigating and they had`nt got the resources anyway" "mind you if you had died we could have then applied for the resources to find the person who did it"
They never even tried to find the bastard who left me to die and with lifetime serious and deteriorating injuries.
That day with those two poisonous female coppers flicked switch in my head. I was a Company Director of my own successful business and a wife of 20 years marraige, had two young children and worked at the very top of the professions in the UK.
Yeah I fuckin learned about the police good and proper.;)
Cruisecontrol
29-06-2010, 09:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by revheadpete
lets put this into perpective,when i was 19 i was beside a police car in mt dtuitt sydney,ok, i looked at the driver ,who was talking on his police radio,we were in a 60k zone what happined next put me in westmead for 18months,the cock didnt look to see if the road was clear and @ 60 through the police car hard to the right,i ended up being thrown up over the car ,which i landed 15 metres from were i was hit my bike flew over me just missing me ,in short bruised brain,broken left ankle broken right knee,2x broken bones in my left foot 2x broken fingers,and gravel rash on both sides of my hips,and i was wearing proctive clothing,,i got out of hospital and the n.s.w police force hid the cop who hit me / so i couldnt sue the cock ,,,theres justice [:(!for you,so b4 you say cops good ,have a 2nd thought for all the people like me ,:(
That is not perspective, it is an opinion based on circumstance.
Coppers aren't professional drivers, they are coppers.
I got nailed by a taxi a few years back. He did a U-turn right into me and all he lost was 3 points and a few bucks.
It is his sole task to drive and he was still no more accountable than the rest of us are.
Do I harbour a deep resentment against all taxi drivers because of this? No, because like almost every other motor vehicle accident in the history of the world, given the time over, the poor stupid bastard would have most certainly done things a little differently.
Wanna hear about my mate and his bro who got knocked off their bikes by an unmarkedccop car that pulled out of a side road and then fucked off and left them in the road with 20 more riders in the group trying not to run over them ?
How the local police who turned up with the ambulance tried to force him to sign a statement he hadnt dictated or written while he was being put in the ambulance ?
How when his mates found out it was an unmarked cop car the police refused to say which police force it belonged to and then refused to tell his lawyer who was driving the car?
One law for them, one law for us...... and that is the way its always been.
RevHead
29-06-2010, 09:08 PM
all police in australia do driver courses,advanced driver courses held by ex race car drivers ,most cops think they can drive hey i spent 8 years driving speed way ,did this make me a better driver who knows but i never go out to find out if i am ,i just know that in an emergency, i can generally get out of a lot of shitty situations,police dont think like this,ive got mates who are narks ,and they think there idestructable,
Cruisecontrol
29-06-2010, 09:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by revheadpete
all police in australia do driver courses,advanced driver courses held by ex race car drivers ,most cops think they can drive hey i spent 8 years driving speed way ,did this make me a better driver who knows but i never go out to find out if i am ,i just know that in an emergency, i can generally get out of a lot of shitty situations,police dont think like this,ive got mates who are narks ,and they think there idestructable,
All posties do rider courses every two years and those morons manage to crash all the time.
RevHead
29-06-2010, 09:15 PM
hahahah cool good laugh that
quote:Originally posted by revheadpete
im with hos,mate i got fucked ova 2yrs ago by a cop who held the court process off and the warrent for 18months and when we got to court the charge of riding in the manner furious and dangerous and @ speed,,,285ks was chucked out,if officers dont like you in your area your FUCKED,b4 all this shit went down i looked at cops as just doing there jobs but since then ,I HATE THE FUCKERS,end quote,
Same here pete, got the T-shirt ;):)
ACAB
Theres so much shit in the police its too hard trying to find the small number of decent ones.
So save time and hate all of em [:p];)
JackTar
29-06-2010, 09:46 PM
quote:Originally posted by revheadpete
im with hos,mate i got fucked ova 2yrs ago by a cop who held the court process off and the warrent for 18months and when we got to court the charge of riding in the manner furious and dangerous and @ speed,,,285ks was chucked out,if officers dont like you in your area your FUCKED,b4 all this shit went down i looked at cops as just doing there jobs but since then ,I HATE THE FUCKERS,end quote,
Well then pete I hope for your sake that if you and yours are ever held at gunpoint in your own house as happened to a friend of mine they send out the 1 per cent of helpful police to give you a hand.
quote:Originally posted by JackTar
quote:Originally posted by revheadpete
im with hos,mate i got fucked ova 2yrs ago by a cop who held the court process off and the warrent for 18months and when we got to court the charge of riding in the manner furious and dangerous and @ speed,,,285ks was chucked out,if officers dont like you in your area your FUCKED,b4 all this shit went down i looked at cops as just doing there jobs but since then ,I HATE THE FUCKERS,end quote,
Well then pete I hope for your sake that if you and yours are ever held at gunpoint in your own house as happened to a friend of mine they send out the 1 per cent of helpful police to give you a hand.
Very old cliche.
RevHead
29-06-2010, 10:03 PM
um been in that situation some years back,after i decked the fucker holding 22 rifle in my face ,the cops came 30 mins later and wanted to charge me with assault, arse about world,,hey i spent 4years in 3,rar as a grunt learning how to defend myself ,
JackTar
29-06-2010, 10:04 PM
By cliche I take it you mean that the police do actually help a lot of people HOS, if so then I agree.
quote:Originally posted by JackTar
By cliche I take it you mean that the police do actually help a lot of people HOS, if so then I agree.
Not in my lifetime mate.
Thats why I have always been a fighter and use weapons to protect me and my own while they are historically always busy somewhere else.
JackTar
29-06-2010, 10:33 PM
Yes mate always busy somewhere else, that's why prisons are either empty or full of angels because if anyone is getting done by the cops at all they have clearly not done anything wrong.
RevHead
29-06-2010, 11:13 PM
quote:Originally posted by JackTar
Yes mate always busy somewhere else, that's why prisons are either empty or full of angels because if anyone is getting done by the cops at all they have clearly not done anything wrong.
not at all if you do the crime YOU do the time ,
JackTar
30-06-2010, 12:05 AM
But aren't they far too busy getting around booking people that have done nothing wrong pete? Goin by your logic 99 per cent of people in prison should be innocent.
quote:Originally posted by JackTar
Yes mate always busy somewhere else, that's why prisons are either empty or full of angels because if anyone is getting done by the cops at all they have clearly not done anything wrong.
Thats stating the bleeding obvious mate ;)
I was talking about my own experiences about the police never being there and having to step in with illegal means to protect myself, family and friends. I do`nt have stab vests, riot gear and back up, its just me when it comes down to brass tacks and protecting my own.
I`m sure a lot of guys will relate to that ;)
I put my neck on the line when the police can`t be there or have some lame excuses why they do`nt come out.
I fully expect the police not to show when theres trouble based on a lifetime of experience.
The situation here in the UK and all my family and mates share this view is that there will always be 300+ coppers at the bike meets to give you tickets and penalise you for small plates, wrong shaped letters on your plates, non EU approved exhausts, and slightly too dark visors, but when your kids are being beaten up on the street, or your home gets broken into or your bike gets nicked out your garage you will not see thme at all.
Is Aus that much different ?
RevHead
30-06-2010, 08:32 AM
jacktar were i live on the mid north coast of n.s.w the cops are total pigs any car or bike with any mods they give you so much of a hard time because of your passion of having something different ,should you get punished for that,
RevHead
30-06-2010, 08:34 AM
ask boris how bad the cops are up here,thats why he trailers his bike to rides
All of this is clearly off topic.
We get it, you hate cops.
How does this detract from the fact that this PERSON is traumatised by the ACCIDENT that he ADMITS to being at fault in? That he REMAINED at the scene to help where he could instead of fleeing? He didn't put his lights on after the fact and then try to charge the survivor for obstructing police (heard that's been done before)
This PERSON still has his career in the balance. I know you're screaming for his job, he might well give it up, or he might well have it taken from him yet.
If you want to rage against the appropriate target, try the law makers who have ruled that murdering someone with your car (even by accident) deserves only a fine/suspension.
This PERSON (copper or not) should have been jailed for vehicular manslaughter, as all people should be regardless of their profession.
Name ONE profession where you couldn't cite many examples of fraudulent/dishonest behaviour!
You hate cops, we get it, but it's clouding your judgement.
KATO ZX7
30-06-2010, 10:43 AM
I fully agree with Jup.
Your comments are your own i respect that, but what if i said all men are arseholes?
cliche?
sharky
30-06-2010, 01:36 PM
It'd be like saying all ranga's are hot ;)
Elapid
30-06-2010, 02:15 PM
quote:
got any pictures of that?
HAHAHA :D
boris
30-06-2010, 02:36 PM
I have a mate from here who was driving home 1 night pissed with another mate and hit a power pole and killed our mate and is now nearly halfway through a 7 year sentence for vehicular manslaughter but another mate of my wifes family was crossing the road 1 night in sydney and a taxi driver tried to beat an orange light while Tim was crossing the road and hit and killed him and even though he sped up to beat the light he was let off from manslaughter.I know these are 2 different cases but every case is different from another I believe the taxi driver is still driving taxi's so what's the difference between him and a cop? A cop should be treated harsher for doing something any of us could of done, fuck me they are only human too (although yes some lean towards not being human) I have a lot of cop mates as I'm sure a lot of us do and I'd hate to see 1 of them treated harsher than me just to make an example of them
KATO ZX7
30-06-2010, 06:51 PM
quote:Originally posted by sharky
It'd be like saying all ranga's are hot ;)
True true, not all of them are babe ;)
And not all men are arseholes [:I]
Nobody is perfect.
But there is a lot of hate in this thread towards the police force, and im offended at some of it.
Entitled to your opinions you are, so am i.
[quote]Originally posted by Jup
All of this is clearly off topic.
We get it, you hate cops.
Good, learn to distrust them ;)
How does this detract from the fact that this PERSON is traumatised by the ACCIDENT that he ADMITS to being at fault in?
How about the victims and their families? They might be a bit further traumatised to see this guy get let off lightly? How about how they feel seeing their lives ripped apart and watching this fiasco of "justice" ?
That he REMAINED at the scene to help where he could instead of fleeing?
As a copper and the one who caused the accident he had no option to stay the scene, thats a professional job and he was on duty.
He didn't put his lights on after the fact and then try to charge the survivor for obstructing police (heard that's been done before)
That fictional scenario does`nt justify the situation.;)
This PERSON still has his career in the balance. I know you're screaming for his job, he might well give it up, or he might well have it taken from him yet.
He should show the surviving victim and the families of both victims respect by quitting instead of doing more emotional harm by trying to hang on to his highly paid "road safety advisor" job.The resulting loss of income for those familes will financially cripple them for the rest of their lives. He makes no losses while the families are destroyed ? How do you think that is right?
If you want to rage against the appropriate target, try the law makers who have ruled that murdering someone with your car (even by accident) deserves only a fine/suspension.
Its only because he is a copper that he got let off that lightly.
This PERSON (copper or not) should have been jailed for vehicular manslaughter, as all people should be regardless of their profession.
Agreed. But he will not because of the self-protectionist group he works for. We do`nt have vehicular manslaghter do you ?
Name ONE profession where you couldn't cite many examples of fraudulent/dishonest behaviour!
The cops are supposed to be the LAW ! ffs. As they are bent and corrupt what chance have you or I or our children ?
You hate cops, we get it, but it's clouding your judgement.
You have to have been through some major crap several times in life and fought your way out the other side to appreciate the situation. You have to have worn the T-shirt out a few times first before you learn the true value and meaning of professionalism, truth, honesty and justice. I took on a few lawyers at senior partner level and beat them after my smash because if I had`nt they would have destroyed me totally, but hey....they never met a REAL professional till they met me [^] ;):)
I hope no one here has to go through the experience of a very bad road smash, because the lessons you have to learn are extremely harsh "if" you survive intact.
When it comes to the bill, they are not your friends when it comes to one of theirs.
No worries :)
Its interesting to see the different perspectives, thank you for sharing :)
greg mulligan
30-06-2010, 07:05 PM
whats wrong with pikeys???
FUCK HIM !!! you do the crime
you do the time
no mater who the fuck you are
80s freak
30-06-2010, 07:52 PM
This is a very sad situation for everyone involved. My heart felt sympathies go out to the family of the killed man and the injured biker as well. I do also feel sorry for the copper, yes, he will have to live with the fact that his own stupidity killed someone. If it was me in the coppers shoes I think I would have resigned from my position to try and preserve some of my own sanity if nothing else. I don't believe that the punishment fit the crime either. To have not seen one bike is bad enough, but to have missed two means he pretty much turned infront of a car as far as number headlights go.
My real issue with this whole thing is the newspapers bias in their reporting of the accident, To make no mention of the injured rider let alone actually give a report of his/her injuries (they didn't even mention if it was a male or female rider), did the riders know each other? Will someone have to live their life having seen there best mate killed and feel guilty because it wasn't them? The paper/journalist obviously wrote the artical siding with the anguish of the copper.
I personally have had dealings with the plod from both sides of the fence, I have dealt with some truely human coppers and some amazingly arrogant, egotisical self important fucktards. Unfortunitly the fucktards out numbered the humans about 5-1.
It does seem to me that alot of the police force tend to see themselves as above reproach from the rest of society. Hands up everyone that has seen cop cars parked illegally (I have witnessed them parking in a motorcycle only zone to j-walk across the road to sit in Hudsons coffee shop for nearly an hour, lucky all our coffes were safe), cruising down the tram tracks instead of in a lane, hitting the lights and sirens to go through a red light then turning them off after they have crossed the interection. These people are supposed to be pillars of society, setting the example of how to behave, they wonder why the public don't respect them. Maybe they need to look a little harder at the picture they are painting every day.
davio
30-06-2010, 08:00 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
Why should a copper with 22 years of unblemished service be treated differently than any member of the public that does the same thing to motorcyclists every other day?
[and congratulations to cruise for yet another successful pot stirring;);)/quote]
Gitzy
30-06-2010, 08:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by ALBI
FUCK HIM !!! you do the crime
you do the time
no mater who the fuck you are
The accidental cause of death from a split second lapse of concentration is hardly in a crime catagory at all I think.. Like I said before whether your crucifying him because of his job or not this could happen to anyone of us at any time in our lives.. If you were the one who caused the death of someone from a lapse of concentration, I for one would not want you to go to jail Albi.. like CC said we need to get a look at the whole picture..
80s freak
30-06-2010, 08:18 PM
quote:Originally posted by Gitzy
The accidental cause of death from a split second lapse of concentration is hardly in a crime catagory at all I think
Fair... to a point. What will it take for people to realise that a motor vehicle is a deadly weapon. We all become complacent as we drive more. Remember how careful you were where you were on your learners, then all of a sudden we can text/shave/talk on the phone/put on make-up/read a paper while driving. We are our own worst ememy when it comes to laziness regarding responsibilty with something that can kill. Should our own actions go unpunished?
Gitzy
30-06-2010, 08:20 PM
Also the whole "Hate cops" thing is very personal to each individual I think.. I've been pulled over 3 times in 8 years of riding, 2 random breathe tests and once for not indicating at intersection in front of a cop, at which point he was nice and said try and remember to use your blinker mate, I've had modifications done warranting defects and never had an issue, Had homo LED lights on my bike whilst in motion and pulled up next to a cop who rolled window down and said, "Mate switch em off".. I've been laying on the ground in and out of consciousness waiting for a chopper to pick me up after my own stupid crash at over 160kmhs, Country Cop gets down on ground with me and says "pretty sure you were speeding mate but i'm sure you've had enough trouble for the day" .. never had an issue.. they seem to do their job where I'm from and are pretty nice to boot. I'm not saying there all good, but they ain't all bad..
Tony OW31
30-06-2010, 08:31 PM
Back in the UK I had a mate go to jail for speeding (168 in a 70), 3 AM deserted motorway, never hurt a soul, nor was he close to doing so. The judge said he was a danger to society and if he could have done he would have sent him down for longer than the 3 months he did get.
Same thing happens here, people go to jail for speeding, one of the lads from the unit next door to me has just got 3 months for hooning (doing burnouts on an industrial estate at night), and had his car confiscated.
Copper kills someone, seriously injures another, no problem, carry on, as you where, nothing to see here.
Makes me sick.
80s freak
30-06-2010, 08:33 PM
I think the key words there Gitzy are "Country cop".
quote:Originally posted by 80s freak
This is a very sad situation for everyone involved. My heart felt sympathies go out to the family of the killed man and the injured biker as well. I do also feel sorry for the copper, yes, he will have to live with the fact that his own stupidity killed someone. If it was me in the coppers shoes I think I would have resigned from my position to try and preserve some of my own sanity if nothing else. I don't believe that the punishment fit the crime either. To have not seen one bike is bad enough, but to have missed two means he pretty much turned infront of a car as far as number headlights go.
My real issue with this whole thing is the newspapers bias in their reporting of the accident, To make no mention of the injured rider let alone actually give a report of his/her injuries (they didn't even mention if it was a male or female rider), did the riders know each other? Will someone have to live their life having seen there best mate killed and feel guilty because it wasn't them? The paper/journalist obviously wrote the artical siding with the anguish of the copper.
I personally have had dealings with the plod from both sides of the fence, I have dealt with some truely human coppers and some amazingly arrogant, egotisical self important fucktards. Unfortunitly the fucktards out numbered the humans about 5-1.
It does seem to me that alot of the police force tend to see themselves as above reproach from the rest of society. Hands up everyone that has seen cop cars parked illegally (I have witnessed them parking in a motorcycle only zone to j-walk across the road to sit in Hudsons coffee shop for nearly an hour, lucky all our coffes were safe), cruising down the tram tracks instead of in a lane, hitting the lights and sirens to go through a red light then turning them off after they have crossed the interection. These people are supposed to be pillars of society, setting the example of how to behave, they wonder why the public don't respect them. Maybe they need to look a little harder at the picture they are painting every day.
You have said everything that I was trying to say with my crap word skills. Sums my feelings up almost exactly, thank you.
Redmohawk
30-06-2010, 09:15 PM
I've been involved with coppers from both sides of the coin on the road, other matters court etc - both sides again and have Been "interviewed" by 6 large coppers in a small room for 4 hours without a break drink toilet stop or a breef, Later someone broke one of the coppers nose for being a rude fuck but I know very little about that lol .
I have seen local coppers do thinks that would have them jailed for some time if caught, there are very very bent cops about but those same bent cops protect you to some extent when you sleep! There is no easy answer to it all, there will always be a bent element in the force. On the whole they like everyone are just trying to do a job (but a job most people resent and wouldnt do themselves) make a crust and live life.
I find in general if your looking like someone who will do ok by everyone else they generally are helpful, I got off a 120 kph speeding fine with a broken speedo on the way back from AFR10 and had a chat with a ok copper that see's alot of splattered riders up in those hills. On occasion I have met a nasty one that is out to push his power because his dick is small or something , you'd be supprized how often they end up regretting it though.
Hos I have a very direct experiance simmilar to your story but it was my girlfriend in a car and she was hit by the copper in a 4wd it took 8 years to get it all sorted though court (he was off duty pissed run a red light and speeding 90 in a 60 zone) but got a slap on the wrist for it as he turned his lights when he was 10 m from the trafic lights! My partner at the time was killed and revived on site pevis shattered 19 pieces two broken legs broken arm lower jaw severed from her head and a permant brain injury. He got a $300 fine 6 months paid leave and a new job in another town! Wasnt his copper mate that helped him out, it was the fact he had good legal advice that night as to what to say, do, to minimise the damage to him.
She finnaly got $300,000 but 8 years later and she will be lucky if she can ever hold a job.
My best mate for 15 years became a copper and driffed away to be with other coppers as he belived we normal people didnt like him anymore and alienated himself in a few weeks. Do I hate coppers ? No not at all . Do i trust them anymore than a bum on the street ? Not at all lol. Do I call the cops when I hear a bump in the night to save me ? Only after the intruder is very very Sorry lol
quote:What will it take for people to realise that a motor vehicle is a deadly weapon
When the penalty for misusing that weapon fits the offense.
HOS: Thanks for clearing that up too mate. You and 80's freak are right about the biased reporting, but papers only want to sell sensationalism and the cops plight is more sensational than just another family enduring tragedy.
We have all become so jaded[V]
RevHead
01-07-2010, 08:40 AM
not really as stated everyones encounters are different from speeding to murder so no crime is the same,but ,jup wot makes us dislike cops is how weve been treated by them over the years ,also were i live we get new cops every 3yr in that time some are heros and others are really nice people'hey my uncle ran the AFP in the act for 6yrs,and you know he wasnt aloud to talk to me because i,d been in the shit when i was young,i suppose hate is a very harsh word,i,ll call it dislike,because i know they ,cops,put up with a lot of dickshead beside me ,and i understand like many others there only doing there jobs ,BUT as stated,some take it a little to far/talking on mobiles while driving,parking illegal,speeding to catch a driver,illegal overtaking,2 yrs ago up here a officer hit an ederly couple in a car, he killed the male driver,and his poor wife died in hospital 8 weeks later,now this guy actually quit his job and had a mental break down ,nothing id wish on anyone,but he was doing 100k in a 50 zone ,and he was heading to a JOB,i suppose accidents ARE only that,plus cops are human as well
quote:Originally posted by Jup
quote:What will it take for people to realise that a motor vehicle is a deadly weapon
When the penalty for misusing that weapon fits the offense.
HOS: Thanks for clearing that up too mate. You and 80's freak are right about the biased reporting, but papers only want to sell sensationalism and the cops plight is more sensational than just another family enduring tragedy.
We have all become so jaded[V]
Yep the way it was reported was dire, whereby the bikers got very few words and their was a huge outpouring of grief for the guy who caused it.
We get pissed off that we don`t matter in RTAs because we are bikers.
After my smash they put a tiny few words asking for witnesses on page 32 of the local news rag. The following week an 80 year old woman got knocked off her bicycle and scuffed her shins in town by a hit and run car driver and it was all over the front page. Much wailing and wringing of hands.
But as a biker I didnt matter a toss.
Being a biker negates you being a sentient person, a father, a highly skilled worker etc, when it comes to cops and the media.
ralph
01-07-2010, 11:24 AM
If it was a relative of mine, killed by someones negligence on the road I would ask why they only did their breif for 12 months?
If i knew it was a cop i wouldnt bother asking.
We are all equal in the eyes of the law, just some are more equal than others.
Ignorance is strength...
It's the system that's letting us down.
Take that ex top cop Christine Nixon as an example. Hard working, clearly underpaid, driven to the point of loosing all focus, almost starving. Grasping any opportunity to eat, oblivious to the dying hordes as she struggled for her own survival.
It,s not her fault. The system let her down.
PROOF of her desperate plight was her failing memory in a later inquiry.
Poor poor poor cops, I wish there was a fund I could donate to, just to help them.
Tony OW31
10-07-2010, 12:19 PM
Makes you wonder how long joe public would have got in the bighouse for this little stunt?
Wonder if anyone was shot with em?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/10581584.stm
RevHead
10-07-2010, 06:28 PM
fuckn wankers
Another police force had to be used in a covert op on Nottinghamshire police as Notts were deemed too bent to do their row internal investigation.
Very hard to find any news on this one, I only heared on the radio news recently. But the media is censored here.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/02/03/secret-cops-op-revealed-115875-22015046/
The whole UK system is essentially bent top down.
Cruisecontrol
10-07-2010, 08:12 PM
It speaks volumes that most of your supporting links come from the Mirror...
Tony OW31
10-07-2010, 08:36 PM
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
It speaks volumes that most of your supporting links come from the Mirror...
There are four links in this thread, one is from the Mirror, that would hardly constitute "most", you a politician or something?[:p]
Cruisecontrol
10-07-2010, 09:00 PM
quote:Originally posted by Tony OW31
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
It speaks volumes that most of your supporting links come from the Mirror...
There are four links in this thread, one is from the Mirror, that would hardly constitute "most", you a politician or something?[:p]
Those words were not surprisingly missing from my sentence.
Shadowzone
10-07-2010, 09:10 PM
quote:Originally posted by HOS
[quote]Originally posted by Jup
The cops are supposed to be the LAW !
Wrong. Completely wrong. They are not the law. THey are merely there to uphold it as best as they can.
He has done this. He did his job following the accident. I drive Road Trains for a living. a week ago I had a bad accident avoiding a "little one" (or car) who decided to pul out directly in front of me and overtake the oncoming car with nowhere near sufficient room. I rolled the truck and am back in the saddle. But I still have nightmares, and am not coping with driving around cars. Do I sympathise with the officer who killed those riders? Absolutely. Do I sympathise with those riders families? Absolutely. Do I hate the coppers for doing their jobs? Nope. And believe me HOS I deal with them nearly daily. Between them and the mermaids (cunts with scales) I deal with enforcement officers and agencies on a nearly daily basis, and occasionally I get an invoice from one of them. That doesn't change the fact one of the guys I go shooting with is one. He's a good bloke. It doesn't change my opinion of 3 of my mates I used to work in nightclubs with as bouncers who jumped the thin blue line and joined, I'd have any of those 3 behind me again in a flash. Again they're bloody good blokes.
I have found (the hard way) that you get from them what you give in general. Attitude definitely equals altitude. I got knocked off for speeding the other week 106 in a 90 zone. He told me straight up he nailed me in the 80 but would let me have the 90 because I was polite. Saved me $$$ and demerit points. Who am I to argue?
Try viewing them as humans for once. You may be surprised to discover that they are.....
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
It speaks volumes that most of your supporting links come from the Mirror...
I thought it would appeal to you.
S`fair comment, Yes I s`pose the cops are just like the rest of the population?
Bent, cheats, liars, illegal drug users, pissed up, violent, thieving, speeding bastards, armed and dangerous ?
:D:D
I have tried the number 342 excuse from the big "Police book of Standard Excuses"....... "But I`m only human?" but you know, it didnt make any fucking difference last time I was in court [^]
Were you in court because you were doing the right thing and got booked by a bent cop?
Were you in court because you were caught doing the wrong thing and argued your point?
Or were you in court because you hate cops and made a spectacle of yourself?
KATO ZX7
11-07-2010, 02:05 PM
lol ^^^^
you do have a way with words Jup :D
quote:Originally posted by Jup
Were you in court because you were doing the right thing and got booked by a bent cop?
Were you in court because you were caught doing the wrong thing and argued your point?
Or were you in court because you hate cops and made a spectacle of yourself?
Which time in court ? :D
I`ve done several [^] wasnt me ..... [:o)]
Kaosaki
12-07-2010, 12:44 AM
I feel sorry for the family of the victims. Hope they are coping with their loss.
Cop or not, if you've got the cash for a good lawyer, you walk.
But corruption is rife in any organisation, including our police forces. When I did a security course over here, the owner of the company was ex federal police and he told us some shocking stories of corruption and laws being 'bent'.
Don't trust anyone, including a person in uniform. Paranoia is just a form of awareness....
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