Fair dinkum it's like banging your head against a brick wall with some blokes[B)]
PS: I think most of us recognised the comment for what it was Blade, a bit of a joke, no offence taken here I had a chuckle too
Fair dinkum it's like banging your head against a brick wall with some blokes[B)]
PS: I think most of us recognised the comment for what it was Blade, a bit of a joke, no offence taken here I had a chuckle too
That is excatly what these laws are being made for. Lets say if myself, Large, Gixkat and say Billwizz are caught producing and/or selling illeagal drugs would that affect the rest of ASF? You bet it would. Guilty by assosiation.quote:Originally posted by Neo Dutch
So if you belong to an organisation, and some of the members of that organisation are committing, or have committed crimes, then you and everyone else in that organisation can be labelled as criminals and jailed.
quote:But yeah to those that I offended I'm sorry and feel chastised.chastised ay
Hopefully it won't be as easy as that in NSW as they've been reports that "Those Who Know Better" will have to apply to the Courts, They say it's to protect our civil liberties.quote:Originally posted by ozkat
That is excatly what these laws are being made for. Lets say if myself, Large, Gixkat and say Billwizz are caught producing and/or selling illeagal drugs would that affect the rest of ASF? You bet it would. Guilty by assosiation.quote:Originally posted by Neo Dutch
So if you belong to an organisation, and some of the members of that organisation are committing, or have committed crimes, then you and everyone else in that organisation can be labelled as criminals and jailed.
But I laso believe in magic beans and the easter bunny too.
That's the new mob "NOTORIOUS" the name came before the colors/bikes, they were a crime gang not "bikies" to start with.quote:Originally posted by bladehunter
Anyone have any idea on the story in the Sydney papers a few weeks ago about some so called MC's not really being into the bikes but more for the crime ? What they refer to them as "Nike Bikies" ?
So does that mean coz you are a drag racer, after all that shit happened to Brett Stevens you are already guilty by assosiation?quote:Original post by Ozkat
Lets say if myself, Large, Gixkat and say Billwizz are caught producing and/or selling illeagal drugs would that affect the rest of ASF? You bet it would. Guilty by assosiation.
I don't think so.
"It's the eighties and I'm down with the ladies"
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
We all know certain things we do to our bikes aren't quite legit, but how can we possibly complain when we get busted for it?
I don't deal/manufacture narcotics or beat people to death in an airport terminal, so regardless of what group they are targeting, I personally have nothing more to fear than a defect sticker.
But the laws needed to prosecute them are already on the books, the fact they are "bikies" isn't what makes their activities illegal.
Hey Shaynee. When do I get my pill press back?quote:Originally posted by Iceman
So does that mean coz you are a drag racer, after all that shit happened to Brett Stevens you are already guilty by assosiation?quote:Original post by Ozkat
Lets say if myself, Large, Gixkat and say Billwizz are caught producing and/or selling illeagal drugs would that affect the rest of ASF? You bet it would. Guilty by assosiation.
I don't think so.
Wasn't it confiscated by the coppers via Brett Stevens?
However, until they (for arguments sake) deem that ASF is a "bikie gang" then it is no different to how things are currently.quote:Originally posted by EFE 1230
But the laws needed to prosecute them are already on the books, the fact they are "bikies" isn't what makes their activities illegal.
If there is a continual issue with illegal activities within a group, be it motorcyclists or a chess club, then they deserve all the attention they get.
Here's a Daily Telegraph article I found
By Kara Lawrence
June 16, 2008 12:00am
A NEW breed of criminal gang whose members specialise in drug dealing, extortion and violence is taking over Sydney's premier nightclub district.
Police fear the gang Notorious has become the security muscle for a Kings Cross identity.
The gang is the first known in Sydney to follow an international trend of being outlaw "bikies without bikes".
While its dozens of city-based members wear full bikie colours, only a few members ride motorcycles.
Its members range from seasoned, senior former members of the now-defunct Nomads outlaw motorcycle gang's Parramatta chapter to newly-recruited teenagers as young as 14.
They are largely from Sydney's western suburbs and of Middle Eastern and Pacific Islander background.
The gang is believed to be focused on criminal activities and have links to the security industry.
It is feared they are acting as unofficial security to Kings Cross nightclubs linked to one person in particular.
Late last month, police from the Middle Eastern organised crime squad targeted Notorious in an operation on the nightclub strip.
They arrested two alleged members of Notorious - one an 18-year-old Guildford man arrested with ecstasy tablets at a nightclub.
Court documents show he was charged with two counts of supplying a prohibited drug and two of possessing a prohibited drug.
He was refused bail and is to appear at Central Local Court on June 30.
Another, a 14-year-old from Guildford, was arrested in the same police operation while he was in a car illegally parked in the CBD. A search found more ecstasy tablets and the boy was charged with drugs supply and possession.
Police are also investigating suspected links between Notorious and a 30-year-old Kellyville man arrested last week in an alleyway behind a Surry Hills nightclub.
The man, recently released from prison, allegedly had a home-made machine gun and an ammunition magazine containing 32 bullets concealed in a bag. The man was charged with being armed with intent to commit an indictable offence, possessing a firearm and other firearm-related offences.
Notorious was also believed linked to an assault at an Eastern Suburbs pub last year.
It is speculated that Notorious came into being following a series of attacks targeting a nightclub owner ear last year, coinciding with the firebombing of the Parramatta chapter's Granville clubhouse.
Rival outlaw bikie gang the Comancheros was suspected of being behind the firebombing.
In March 2007, masked gunmen burst into a nightclub, firing shots into the ceiling and smashing up the bar. The nightclub owner's bodyguard was allegedly injured during the incident.
It is feared the Comancheros have been trying to wrestle control of the nightclub strip and conflict with Notorious may be on the agenda.
Your absolutley right Clint a one off like that may not include me or other racers, but if was a recuring problem or a chain of similar events i may be included by assosiationquote:Originally posted by Iceman
So does that mean coz you are a drag racer, after all that shit happened to Brett Stevens you are already guilty by assosiation?quote:Original post by Ozkat
Lets say if myself, Large, Gixkat and say Billwizz are caught producing and/or selling illeagal drugs would that affect the rest of ASF? You bet it would. Guilty by assosiation.
I don't think so.
All this biker gang stuff is a changing of the guard - a new breed of gang lifestyle is here.
We'll all suffer to a degree because the Pollies want to be seen as acting and they'll place indiscriminate laws in place before they sit down and do some actual research on our culture/s and how to deal with the bad element.
What 14yo could resist such a cool back patch huh???
quote:Originally posted by Cruisecontrol
However, until they (for arguments sake) deem that ASF is a "bikie gang" then it is no different to how things are currently.
If there is a continual issue with illegal activities within a group, be it motorcyclists or a chess club, then they deserve all the attention they get.
You mean like when a "group" continually flouts Australian ADR/state roadworthy requirements by driving blatantly illegally modified vehicles on the Queens highway with no regard for other people's safety?
Yeah, let's pass laws that it's illegal for them to associate socially and in public and in private or even in cyber space for the good of the law abiding public that way they can't discuss how to break the laws by modifying their vehicles.
Hmm, food for thought, I must say. (No sarcasm intended or implied)
my two bob....i can see valid points form both angles debated here my personal veiw on this is the states paranioa over organised crime whether it be bikie based or otherwise ,,
from what i can gather over the last 40yrs organised crime in Australia has been on a par with America as far as violence and proliferation's concerned .I have no great love for hells angels or any other group thats gained there status through intimitading other sections of the populus ..and whilst we are just a group of bikers [note the term] enjoying our lifestyle choices .
.the general public only remember the bad stuff and attribute it to all bikers and yes they are that narrow minded
..while it may only mean inthe long run a bit of greif from the old bill,not getting served in pubs if you ride etc etc ..[it is still persecution i experienced this when i was ateenager in britian and that was from the fallout from the 60's rockers ]it will make it increasingly diffcult to get venues to hold events as they will be paraniod too
it will happen here because the new laws are designed to alienate these groups from general society ..and in my opinion groups like ours will suffer as collateral damage.
as far as "you have nothing to fear if youve done nothing wrong" 'goes read the letter of most traffic laws they are based on probabilities ..and so are these new laws .
the police only have to have reasonable probability that you are associated and thats enough for the charges to stick
..all the older poms here will no doubt remember Thatchers ..."sus laws" during the 80's when a policeman could pull u and search you inthe street on suspicion my brother and i were searched in 1986 merely for having a bin bag over our shoulders ..that was the cops 'reasonable suspiscion'..
food for thought
I know people i consider to be friends who are members of The Black Uhlans, Rebels, Odins Warriors and the Outlaws, some i have known since school, some i met later in life. I dont consider any of these people to be criminals, nor do i consider myself a criminal by association. But under these new proposed laws they are and i am.
I think there's quite a few of us in that situation.
"It's the eighties and I'm down with the ladies"
That's the "DANGER" of the laws, I work with 2 blokes that have HD's the shops they go to get work done are "outlaw" owned/run so technically under the laws they can be done for association even though they are 100% cleanskins.
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