The NEW Rotary Norton race bike

[Jockney Rebel]

quote:Originally posted by Tony Nitrous

quote:Originally posted by frankenbiker

[ironically the firm that built the engine for the spitfire is now owned by the germans]

Triumph was originaly established by two Germans,
Mauritz Shulte and Siegfried Bettmann who moved from
Nuremberg to Coventry. They original produced bicycle's
before adding a Belgian made engine.

So at least you know who to thank.

i didnt know that ta
and im not as xenophobic as i sound [8D]
did u know that 60% of all the items u take for granted in todays society were invented/discovered in britian[ according to a japanese survey]
i worked i germany for a few years and i found them to be on the whole a very family oriented, organised, culture who believe their losing their national identity because english has become the language of business. which is a shame really because what defines our humanity is the fact that we are all different on a personal and global level
being a celt i tend to be a bit passionate about certain things

[HOS]

The very first Triumph motorcycles were made by Triumph cars in the eraly 1900s.
As they became more successful the motorcycle side split off from the car company.

[Tony Nitrous]

quote:Originally posted by HOS

The very first Triumph motorcycles were made by Triumph cars in the eraly 1900s.

Other way around ?
First bikes were 1902 / 1903.
5 years after the company started making push-bikes.

[HOS]

The only reason I said was we went up to the Rover Heritage centre near Warwick last year and its obviously full of all the old Rover/Leyland/Austin/Triumph/Morris/Mini cars and we saw a couple of old Triumph motorcycles circa 1902 or 1905 ish (?) and the write up said Triumphs were first made by the car company.

[Spondonash]

Triumph, like many other largeish manufacturers build bikes in several locations, at present they are ALL built in Hinckley but some are assembled in Thailand, these are bikes for the Asian and Australian market. This makes sound economic sense and as much as it may grate with some people it is the way of the world. Just look at the American car market, it is now starting to be dominated by Japanese makers, Toyota has become the second biggest manufacturer in the world, that would have been unheard of even 10 years ago. Here in Australia the 'local' manufacturers, Ford, GM, Toyota and Mitsubishi are starting to really feel the strain of cheaper imports of equal quality. If you had the choice of buying a loaclly made car for $30,000 or an imported car that was to all intents and purposes exactly the same vehicle for $20,000 which would you choose ?
It is true Dyson did in fact move their vacuum manufacturing plant to the Far East but their research and development section is still in England and they still make washing machines there. It is just a fact of life I'm afraid.
This isn't a dig at Tony but the British have a great deal to be proud of, I realise he isn't and he has his own reasons for that but I myself am a very proud Brit.
The UK is still a centre of engineering excellence as can be seen by the number of Formula One teams, WSBK and MotoGP teams that use it for research development and other reasons.
Getting back to the Norton question about them being banned, I say again they were NEVER banned from racing in the UK, they stopped racing because of the situation with Norton themselves.

[Gix11]

As for Triumph, try these:

http://www.ianchadwick.com/motorcycles/triumph/

http://www.best-motorcycle-gear.com/...e-history.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumph_Motorcycles

http://birminghamuk.com/triumph.htm

[HOS]

quote:Originally posted by Spondonash

Triumph, like many other largeish manufacturers build bikes in several locations, at present they are ALL built in Hinckley but some are assembled in Thailand, these are bikes for the Asian and Australian market. This makes sound economic sense and as much as it may grate with some people it is the way of the world. Just look at the American car market, it is now starting to be dominated by Japanese makers, Toyota has become the second biggest manufacturer in the world, that would have been unheard of even 10 years ago. Here in Australia the 'local' manufacturers, Ford, GM, Toyota and Mitsubishi are starting to really feel the strain of cheaper imports of equal quality. If you had the choice of buying a loaclly made car for $30,000 or an imported car that was to all intents and purposes exactly the same vehicle for $20,000 which would you choose ?
It is true Dyson did in fact move their vacuum manufacturing plant to the Far East but their research and development section is still in England and they still make washing machines there. It is just a fact of life I'm afraid.
This isn't a dig at Tony but the British have a great deal to be proud of, I realise he isn't and he has his own reasons for that but I myself am a very proud Brit.
The UK is still a centre of engineering excellence as can be seen by the number of Formula One teams, WSBK and MotoGP teams that use it for research development and other reasons.
Getting back to the Norton question about them being banned, I say again they were NEVER banned from racing in the UK, they stopped racing because of the situation with Norton themselves.

Cosworth are going bust, TVR has had it, Rover gone, Peugeot Ryton plant just closed, GM pant at Luton closed, Jaguar struggling, Ford dipped further on their junk credit rating, businesses going bust at a large rate of knots.

Where it goes wrong with Triumph here in the UK is when you go to Windy Corner Triumph dealer around the corner from the Hinckley plant, you pay an OTT price for your Triumph.
MCN did this a couple of years back: they went to Spain and bought a brand new Triumph Daytona unregistered, shipped it back here, paid shipping costs/ import duty and VAT etc etc.... when they got it registered here and on the road it still worked out about £1800 cheaper than buying one from a UK Triumph dealer.
So why can you buy a UK Triumph even with all the oncosts from Spain or elsewhere much cheaper than from here ?


If Triumph close the Hinckley plant as has been discussed and then sell Triumphs here made in Thailand or somewehere else, thats when they will lose credibility and sales here.

[Spondonash]

Triumph close the Hinckley plant ?? Discussed by who ? Not by Triumph that's for sure, where do these outrageous rumours come from ?
I think you will find that there is very little price difference around the globe with Triumphs, except in the States of course where everything is cheap, even life. Cosworth are going bust ??? When did this happen ? I would be very surprised if that were to happen. Not sure what Ford has to do with it as they are American. Why name a few companies that are having problems, why not name those going from strength to strength ? We hear of big companies going down the gurgler every day here, it is a fact of life. We have car factories here teetering on the brink because of cheaper (better ?) imports. I am a glass half full kind of person. :-)

[HOS]

quote:Originally posted by Spondonash

Triumph close the Hinckley plant ?? Discussed by who ? Not by Triumph that's for sure, where do these outrageous rumours come from ?
I think you will find that there is very little price difference around the globe with Triumphs, except in the States of course where everything is cheap, even life. Cosworth are going bust ??? When did this happen ? I would be very surprised if that were to happen. Not sure what Ford has to do with it as they are American. Why name a few companies that are having problems, why not name those going from strength to strength ? We hear of big companies going down the gurgler every day here, it is a fact of life. We have car factories here teetering on the brink because of cheaper (better ?) imports. I am a glass half full kind of person. :-)

Triumph closing the Hinckley plant has been mooted by Triumph and discussed in the Brit motorcycle media on several occassions at length. I realise you may not know about these things being over there.
The point I`m making is manufactuiring as an age old industry in the UK is going down the pan fast. Fuck your jobs, fuck your livelihoods, we are moving your jobs abroad where we can pay them peanuts to build cars/bikes cheaper purely in the name of maximising profit for their company.

Our own products can be bought abroad and shipped back here more cheaply than we can buy them on home ground is the other point I am making.
We pay way over the odds for bikes and cars as imports or home grown products.
Example: I was looking at new ZO6 last year officially imported from the US through the UK dealer network at a cost here otr of £60,000 sterling. Left hand drive official import.

Cost of a new ZO6 in the US plus shipping costs to UK, plus import duty, plus otr costs worked out at less than £30,000 sterling. Still a left hand drive car...same same.

We pay too much...."Rip off Britain".
That show the whole grey and parallel imports business took off over here, much cheaper unofficial imports. In other words: greedy importers.

I am a PMA person more than anyone could know, but we have 5,000,000 of our wealthy/ skilled/ high earners gone abroad permanently and hundreds of thousands are following each and every year, because the socialists/ PC dogooders/ liberalists/ doleites/ namby pamby please everybody/ gutless/ spineless/ whimpering/ sycophantic/ smashing nicey/ tolerance in the extreme / commie / faggots have taken over this once rock hard nation..... along with the rest of commie Europe.

I can`t be British anymore because it might offend some jonny foreigner !!!!!!

This country is going down hard and rapidly. Lets not be PC about it.

Anyone got a settee and room for my Busa ?

Rant off.

[HOS]

We have family at Cosworth, give me some credibility here mate ?

My older Bro works directly for the Chairman of Jaguar cars UK and runs his own section, based at their R&D centre, we have plenty of knowledge of UK manufacturing and finance.

I used to work a a freelance consultant/ project manager in the building industry, running up to £600m building projects, worked with main board of Directors of a few Blue Chip companies on new constrcution work, car plants, pharma/ agro chem/ global engineering contracts.

I`ve been around a bit OK

Need to get rid of that chardonnay socialist Blair and bring back Maggie Thatcher by the sounds of it. And yeah, jus how much is England paying out each week for ethnics and their offspring to sit on the dole?
Australia has surged ahead since the liberals came to office (equivalent to your tories), the bludger rate is right down, the illegal immigrant shit is virtually nil, standards of living are rising for everyone.
Left wing politics - emotionally riven, irrational, morally vaccuous pandering to housewives, fags and and nancy boys so that 2nd raters can gain office.

[alfiestorm]

oh yeah time for a rant and upset a few people now no doubt, before I carry on with my preparations.

England is a fuckin great shit box full of lazy fucking wankers rejected from Asian, Caribbean and European countries and of course home grown lazy shitheads.

All those that keep on about how good england was at that and was at this get over it because England WAS and is not no more.

The historic bike industry in England died because it was fuckin lazy.

The attempts by Norton were finally nailed by rising costs etc.

Triumph have marched on and developed some good bikes but in time and not to far into the future Triumph will also move overseas which they have already started to do by having an assembly plant overseas ,yeah just laying the foundations for the move mate then it's fuck England, good on them I say.

I would not blame any company which moved abroad from England in the slightest as it is to fucking expensive to maintain a profitable business in shit box England.

Good day and tally ho!

[Spondonash]

This really does make me laugh, SOME sections of the media presumed Triumph would be shutting down production at Hinckley because they have built a factory in Thailand to assemble bikes for that market. It has NEVER been mooted by Triumph and in fact John Bloor is adament Hinckley will always produce bikes. Sorry but that rumour is just ridiculous. With the internet believe me I don't have to be in the UK to know what is happening
Chalk, I would imagine England pays about the same per capita as this country does for our "ethnics and their offspring to sit on the dole" and "the illegal immigrant shit is virtually nil" sorry but what world are you living in ? Is it anywhere near the various immigrant detention centres scattered across the country ? LOL. The UK has lower interest rates, higher rate of growth, a lower inflation rate, higher industrial growth, better balance of trade figures and similar unemployment rates to this country but I do think Blair like Little Johnny will be gone this time around, thank goodness for us.
Our manufacturing sector is going downhill fast and is being replaced by overseas cheaper imports, jobs are being outsourced to India and once Australian firms are being bought, split up and closed down. This is the world we live in, if I could find a place where it didn't happen I would move there believe me.
Getting rid of John Howard would be a good start and by the looks of it we can at least look forward to that.

[Spondonash]

LOL. Alfie, I do know of a couple of others that share your view but I'm not sure where those people would live though, companies are moving out of here rapidly because of increasing costs and the influx of cheap imports.
The nail in Nortons coffin was the fact that it was ripped off by it's Seth Efrican MD, nothing at all to do with rising costs, they struggled on for a time after that but the damage was done. Triumph like most other companies has manufacturing plants around the world, should they be any different ? With them expanding their British base it would seem very odd indeed to shut it down.
Thankfully the vast majority of people I know in the UK don't share your view and is usually the case it's the vocal minority that get heard, the majority just roll their eyes at the comments. Me I like a good argument LOL.

Uummm if industry is being closed down so fast, how come we have the lowest unemployment rate in how many decades? And as for illegal immigration in UK I believe that recent figures put out by the UK govt actually disprove that statement, a situation that has only gotten worse since the expension of the EU etc. And you cam imagine whatever you like, but when the ethnic population of the UK is in excess of 5 million (or more than a quarter of the Aus total population), and they have large enclaves rife with unemployment, then the cost to the UK is going to be far higher than here, regardless of what world view you are espousing, and since everyone here knows I'm from CBR, and there are no such detention centres here, cut the irrelevant bullshit. Australia actually has one of the highest growth rates in the OECD, and one of the lowest inflation rates, so I don't know where you're information is coming from, but the OECD is the premier body when it comes to such research.
And if you think that John H. will bve gone in the next election then you're living in a dreamworld, ain't going to happen, even the labor politicians secretly agree with that one. And that's a Labour insiders view, as well as mine.
Interest rates and balance of trade figures are subjective measures, they fluctuate over time and don't necessitate either positive or negative view of an economy. Japan had high interest rates and 'negative' balance of trade figures before and during much of the 70's and 80 boom time for them.

[HOS]

quote:Originally posted by Spondonash

This really does make me laugh, SOME sections of the media presumed Triumph would be shutting down production at Hinckley because they have built a factory in Thailand to assemble bikes for that market. It has NEVER been mooted by Triumph and in fact John Bloor is adament Hinckley will always produce bikes. Sorry but that rumour is just ridiculous. With the internet believe me I don't have to be in the UK to know what is happening
Chalk, I would imagine England pays about the same per capita as this country does for our "ethnics and their offspring to sit on the dole" and "the illegal immigrant shit is virtually nil" sorry but what world are you living in ? Is it anywhere near the various immigrant detention centres scattered across the country ? LOL. The UK has lower interest rates, higher rate of growth, a lower inflation rate, higher industrial growth, better balance of trade figures and similar unemployment rates to this country but I do think Blair like Little Johnny will be gone this time around, thank goodness for us.
Our manufacturing sector is going downhill fast and is being replaced by overseas cheaper imports, jobs are being outsourced to India and once Australian firms are being bought, split up and closed down. This is the world we live in, if I could find a place where it didn't happen I would move there believe me.
Getting rid of John Howard would be a good start and by the looks of it we can at least look forward to that.

Its hard to work out anything from the British news media as it is by and large a crock of shit, I will give you that.

As for government statistics.... how many times has the UK government been proved to have lied their fucking tits off about statistics ? Like Gordon Brown in his last budget making the growth rate figure for the UK economy so high it was a joke and then being forced to revise his figure downwards.
The National Office of Statistics (government) or as we call it: "The Ministry of Lies and Misinformation" has been proved time and time again to have lied over figures to assist whatever cause the commie government has in mind.
The total lies that have been told about speed cameras saving thousands of lives each year when the complete opposite is true....

Socialist politicians here and the EU are just lairs.
Throw in Mafia connections and a lot of corruption into the EU parliament and its a recipe for hell on earth for any EU citizen.

[HOS]

quote:Originally posted by alfiestorm

oh yeah time for a rant and upset a few people now no doubt, before I carry on with my preparations.

England is a fuckin great shit box full of lazy fucking wankers rejected from Asian, Caribbean and European countries and of course home grown lazy shitheads.

All those that keep on about how good england was at that and was at this get over it because England WAS and is not no more.

The historic bike industry in England died because it was fuckin lazy.

The attempts by Norton were finally nailed by rising costs etc.

Triumph have marched on and developed some good bikes but in time and not to far into the future Triumph will also move overseas which they have already started to do by having an assembly plant overseas ,yeah just laying the foundations for the move mate then it's fuck England, good on them I say.

I would not blame any company which moved abroad from England in the slightest as it is to fucking expensive to maintain a profitable business in shit box England.

Good day and tally ho!

I think that sums up the feelings of most REAL Brits still left here.

It aint fun being in a minority and made to be a third class citizen in our own country.

Full of socialist fags....

[HOS]

But then again all good socilaists will sit and listen to the lies and bullshit from Tony B-liar and his cohorts.

Lied to get us into Iraq as Bush`s bum boy, was just a one part of it.

Clueless socialists will never pull the wool over the eyes of hard realists. Don`t take the bullshit !!

But remember all politicians of whatever badge here in England are from the same system

[HOS]

Immigration statistics from the Immigration office were wrong, they cooked the figures as they are in total disarray.

Look at some figures here:

57 million UK population.
500,000 illegal immigrants here who do`nt exist on the system. According to government figures which means they will be way under.
500,000 failed ayslum seekers still here on the streets who dont exist on the system. Again a government figure so realistically way too low.
at least 500,000 east Europeans migrant workers here on visas (or not) again who dont exist on the system.
So we worked it out that 1,500,000 (at least) out of 57,000,000 means: 5 in 200 people (minimum)on our streets here shouldnt be here at all or just dont exist on the system.
Crime ? Drug dealing ? Anything for them to survive and stay off the system.
A lot of those guys have cars here. No insurance, no license, no ID, not tracable, can slip out the country easily when they murder or rape..... and they quite often do slip back out the country.

The UK is in total crisis with immigrants legal or illegal.
Everyone has human rights and plenty of social benefits except us.... the British.

Wanna know what asylum seekers get in benefits and support here ?

Wanna know what we get when we have a major accident and need family support for your wife and kids..... that`ll be fuck all then.

If that wasnt PC then you can kiss my ?

Time to join the BNP Hos.