problem?
I ain't going down this road again....
Jesus died for his own sins...NOT MINE !
And why shouldnt they be classed as a criminal organisation?? there mostly bloody criminals Hos, just cos they ride bikes?? is this your prob.. I know you hate the law but seriously dude your not that naive, most of these 'Bikie gangs' are supplying our youth with drugs, bashing people left right and centre, sparking rival gang wars the list goes on.. what makes them different from some kind of prison gang or LA street gang, the mere fact they ride motorcycles?? no way.. they dont usually meet up for shits and giggles or the odd BBQ do they.. read some of this and tell me they shouldnt be classed as criminals..
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1111113799772
Are there laws in place regards the manufacture and supply of drugs...Yes.
Are there laws in place regards prostitution...Yes.
Are there laws in place regards extortion.....Yes.
So why can they not use existing legislation against them ?
Are the bikies the only groups that do the things the media claim ??quote:what makes them different from some kind of prison gang or LA street gang, the mere fact they ride motorcycles?? no way..
It's only because the bikies are such high profile that the authorities need to grandstand and bring in more laws...instead of just doing there job properly in the first place.
If you are blinkered enough to believe the media then I feel sorry for you....
Jesus died for his own sins...NOT MINE !
Are you saying that these "bikie gangs" are good people who spend time at the old peoples home on a sunday, or some other community based program?
Who gives a fuck, really guys.
Why stand up for a bunch of heros who would beat the shit out of you for riding a jap bike?
Not standing up for them , but Russ is right its just propaganda to target these groups that have a high profile and easily identifiable when they are only part of the drug problem, would you get the same degree of interest and these draconian laws passed if for example asian gangs were depicted
there discriminating against a culture which in many ways we are part of , just a matter of degrees....
It's in the MCN... nuff said. Tis like reading the Daily Facist (Mail) for bikers.
I've met some HA peeps and they aren't all crims. Yeah, the patch equals doing things that are a bit naughty (ok, quite alot naughty) but most of government should be criminalised after the arse invasion they just served us up!
Not fair to tar them all with the same brush. I'm sure when a chapter gets out of line, they have to answer to the boss. Rock n hard place.
p.s HA over there isn't the same as over here HOS.... bit more hardcore me thinks
The more HArleys off the road the more space there is under bus shelters when it rains..
Sharky has put it in a nutshell, the reason the coppers pushed the big wiggs to do something like this about (bike gangs) is that there not stupid fuckers like your average criminal. They have so much trouble getting into the gang to get info due to the way they operate, and once the hidden pigs get into the gang they have done so much "did it to join the gang and fit in shit" that there so tainted they dont want to leave lol the big busts in the states and europe was mostly stumbled onto by hooking in nutcases lol.
And the coppers hate not being able to get in and push there way through using the law as a big shield to make there intrusions justified, so make the gang illegal and they can do as they please!
Its just more horse shit law to fuck anyone that wants to be different in the police state of Aus , you think I'm ranting on about crap? Look at NSW and its new insurance laws, do you honastly think they didn't think about the extra costs to us? Pfffft What happens if the proposed law against "Angels" does go through hmmmm do you think they will say oh shit we better shut shop ? Like fuck there not stupid just take there patch jacket off and drive the misses car to meets !
And what happens then ??? Hmmmm the ASF member that moves into a new area invites all his/her ASF mates around for a party or two and the next door get the shits with bikes everywhere and music drunken bikeys so rings the cops and sez those fucking "Angels" are having a meeting here hmmmm
Don't think it will happen? I bet you your wrong! I'm a licenced shooter who has had so many firearms that i had to be fingerprinted a back to base alarm system and a dealers licence in the past, because of that the police have the "right" to search me and anyone with me at any time for any reason and my place of residence and or any place they find me! Without explanation. And yes I have had it happen , nothing found no reason given no oppology after and no kiss goodnight. Yet the known drug dealer 2 houses down never get a visit the illegal escort agencey accross the road never visited , the fuck head who bashes his misses on the other side never warned more than "if we have to come back you getting locked up"
Me harrased because i dont get alone with the local District Firearms Officer (cop in charge of guns in the area, and known to be bent)
I say let em be the laws being pushed are just because the cops are pissed because they are making less money selling drugs the other people ! You want to save the word from its self ? Easy legalise drugs and stop treating fuckhead that overdose ! Darwins natural selection. In the states something like 3/4 of all people locked up are in for drug offences , and the 3 strikes your in deal lol It costs $40,000 a year to keep one in the lockup dead from overdose they cost $10,000 to put in the ground once lol Why do you think our taxes keep going up lol
I feel better now
And the lesson is? If you need someones permission to do what you want to do, don't piss them off!quote:Originally posted by Redmohawk
Me harrased because i dont get alone with the local District Firearms Officer (cop in charge of guns in the area, and known to be bent)
I've never once been in trouble for doing something I wasn't actually guilty of doing, and "yes sir, no sir, three bags full sir" has gotten me a reduced consequence (or no consequence) every single time.
As for the supposed "innocent HAs", they know who they're associating with, and they know the consequences of being associated with them.
If you slap a dog and it bites you, it's your own stupid fault.
hey redmohawk sounds like you live in doonside!!
if you read the legis, legist ah fuck it the letter its all down on you will read that no where on this form is bike gang or bike club related mentioned at all it is aimed at any criminal organisation,now i dont know about you(the aussie in genral) but appart from the fictional caractors in the UNDERBELLY series the only criminal organisations in ausrtralia is the 1%outlaw bike gangs!! well ones the the australian public know of!!
now yes i am also a fan of harleys and was suposed to get mine in december and you have to remember that a patch club like ie; hells angels is mainly made of defecting bandidos,commoncheros and other small minority groups when the h a wanted to move into australia it was either join or bear the rath !ironicly they joined dont know why ?as there was no HA here only some devoet ones from the states .anyway thus hells angels formed (providing my memory serves me correct,as my ol man told me most of this as he was a former member of "forth ricght"i thinks thats how it is spelt? based in wollongong and he rode a kick as red triumph chopper,)he was a member becuase in the late 60s it was just a club were young hetro males rode and talked about bikes and babes! "sound familiar" and not raping ,stealing,selling drugs,yes he did grow a shit load of !well you can work it out!! and only only grew it for the members for their own personal use,now some of you are reading thinking what the fuck growing drugs and distribution ??hello iligeal goings on here!! so what about the burnouts on public streets the wheelies in front off inocent public bystanders the top speed runs that we all love most of the thing we here at ASF love to do are illegal in sort of form!! but fuck em all huh??most of us say as we sit here saying to ourselfs its only a burn out its only a wheelie,its only smoking pot or growing for you own use and giving some to ur mates "and no i dont smoke,grow or sell it my only high is raping the living shit out of my TL 1000s FUCK YEH!!!!
there is always someone in ur street doing something!!
i have an senior comanchero 3 doors down from me dont here pep from him has great kids has a tidy house and some kick ass ol MX racebikes has a truck well a small one at that and pays his taxes and land rates like all of us ! and is an member of a bike club where they talk off babes ,bikes and the last ride they were on where some goose fell of because he was trying to do a burn out and fucked it up ,and did you see that davo was fucking his misus and some boys were watching !or that a mate was killed by a car and then they all dedicate a patch to their jacket to remember him/her and spend the rest of their time together rembering the fun and bad times !! and raising money for the local kids or charitys !!!kind of like most of us here at ASF we have a patch? dont we its only small but it still a patch we ride together we laugh together we drink piss together we share dirty pics toghether we share our storys together!! we even remember our fallen brother together !!" RIP bullfrog " never meet him but all the storys and yarns and posts of him make him an alround good bloke , enough for a trust fund to be going !!!
so if the cops think that someone in our group is doing something illegal like growing or selling or manufactureing bad shit or selling "guns" or leaving them out were an young child can get acees to them then what is the problem they are only protecting our rights to a damm fucking fine country that we call "HOME" .
and redmohawk i wasnt aiming the gun side at you either mate ??
if a cop goes into a house and find drugs and guns and a meth lab in ur street wouldnt you want the fucker behind bars ?????unfortunatly most of those fuckers are 1% outlaws and the patch is their belive/right of wat and who they belive in a little bit like those god preaching fuckers who dont belive condoms and abortions hmmm you can get STD's all you want ,you can get raped or make a bad decission when u r young ,were a boy tells you ,yes i will pull out then dont and you get preganent and a big life changing deceission is to get an abortion so that baby dont get tossed away or given up for adoption or aboused mentaly or sexually because the baby/child is a hinderence to the parent or the priest that mollests a young child for fuck knows how long and nobody listens because the priest is the be all and end all and preacher of "GODs LOVE".
or the bloke that has a shit load of rifles and pistols in his property all locked up and no chance of some fuckwit breaking in to steel and go and shoot some one for $10???? i used to have a "SKS and a SKK both with pistol grips and i loved them the right to go and shoot in the ouback with my licennce of course but i diddnt have a safe or someone with one i hid it in the roof hopeing it was safe and it was but wat if some one broke into my house through the roof and found these ?? fuck me i shiver now and that is how this shit happens or some one tells a mate who tells a mate albi has this riffle or that one and he dont have a safe all of a sudden im robbed and the riffle is on the street killing some poor cunt (and yes this is now aimed at you redmowhawk soory champ) if you pissed of a copper and he knows you have riffles and shit at home and comes in and finds nothing to be able to take action then mate that tells alot for you ?? safe keeping and all ?is all i can ask for as an citizen of this fucking great land "australia" just remember this cop is doing his job !well maybee a bit harder than he should ,his bedside manner is a little fucked tho !!all the power to him mate because if he aint who the fuck is !!!
if some one is being good and is a good law abiding citizen then wat have we got to be affraid off???if he wasnt doing it and you relaxed a little bit and someone broke in and took the shit how would you feel ripped off and where the fuck is the police to find this prick!!! its a fine line the cops walk !!!
this aint america
this aint iraq
this aint the middle fucking east
this is AUSTRALIA and i love the fucking joint!!!
Red is in the same area as me, and i'm sure the guy he doesn't get along with has the same first name as me (shoots on my place) , were not big city and not much goes on that isn't heard about
the local patch club members are our brothers,cousins,nephews,school friends,neighbours, all mostly normal, just have a bit of a wild side and i believe its a good thing that they can hang out in as group , just like the local footy team or other groups with similar interests .
While there may be some within the "bikie" community that would be of concern to the cops, there are just as many others in other communitys of equal concern ..
I love Australia too but have some concern as to the direction things are going ,
the thought police are closer than ever......
Guys your both right on many points just one exception, you both automaticly assumed I pissed the copper off , not possable I came to a new town with all my Guns did the right thing and there all registered spent $1500 on making one whole room into a giant gun safe (no windows back to base alarm steel door with secrity keys etc etc etc) told firarms registry of my move etc had the place inspected rar rar rar consulted with local DFO met him for the first time real nice bloke alls good he even came over and had a coffee still a real nice bloke all's good eh beuty .
Hmmmmm then he asks what the long term plan? I say deal a few guns start a shop I hear theres two in town and the smaller one is for sale , he is quiet, next day search at 6 am of my whole house everything all detail's pulled over 18 times in 2 weeks etc etc licence checks the lot roadwothies etc etc . I take the lot wondering what the deal is but play nice, go talk with gunshop owner that is selling , not mentioning local DFO or cops at all, he pipes up and sez watch local DFO he is bent! Find out later through other people the guy is selling becasue DFO is doing same thing to shop owner !
I have several mates on the force so I make enquirys turns out local DFO is mates with large gun shop owner and looks afer his mates , has a rep (in the force of being bent and doing "deals") so i Give up and sell most of my stuff as I'm not leaving town for a while (partner kid etc) all of the sudden no more harrasmet!
Some coppers are far worse than the H A !
As far as the laws concerend most are good people doing a job , the law there pushing through to beat the "Bad guy clubs" WON'T MAKE A FUCKING DIFFERENCE to any one involved there targeting ! They are working out systems to combat the laws and have been since the cops were dumb enough to try!
The problem is in this world we have dickheads running the show that are there to line there own pockets first and do the right thing second told what to do by large powerful groups lining there own pockets as well. So they assume that leglislating for NUFF NUFFS is the only way to run things and continue to stuff more and more laws that wont work and are proven not to work over and over yet they continue to do so because it makes them look like there trying to fix it.
Think I'm wrong ? Look into a little history, and not 100 years ago or anything but just the last 30 , I'm 38 so i can remember the last 30 sort of ok lol well the high and low lights anyway haha. Rememer seatbelts being an optional extra in cars ? I can because my parents didnt have enough cash to buy a newish one we belted around in an old holden station wagon with no back seatbelts for years. So laws came in to improve our cash statistics great and you get a fine for not wearing one now thats say $200 but how many people are killed in crashes today still because they dont wear a seatbelt ? lots less than before sure as almost all cars have em now. But the morons still dont wear em and speed/drive like fuck heads.
Look at drug laws years ago doctors encouraged herroin and dope use to people as a relaxant ! shit Tas had a great industry growing popies to supply it lol now they supply the medical industry. Now with all those laws making it illegal there shouldn't be an issue after 100 years of it being illegal if the laws work yet or drug issues are worse now than when it was legal and grown in back yards!
PS i dont do any drugs generally of any kind including perscribed or non perscription except alcohol (and a few panadol about twice a year) , unless i'm dying of an infection. But i have tryed most ilicid drugs at some time in my life (just don't get a buzz from them) just because I don't doesnt mean I dont mind others getting off there head, with common sence of course ie stay off the road etc.
If you want to fix the problems we have in society more stupid laws are not the answer! what there are doing is Illegal you dont need to make a group of people Illegal is about as smart as saying the local mothers club is outlawed. If people in society stopped turning a blind eye to shit it would stop right there. Big scarry drug dealers etc are just that scary not invincable if half of your local men foke from town turned up at a club house and said fuck off or else they would leave simple as that!
I work on live and let live myself , if you piss me off there is only one law MINE and i will do as i please ! I will deal with the consequence of my actions in your laws after I have done as i see fit. In my travels i have met Angels and others shit i worked with the local Outlaws club president for 2 years (very nice bloke and the group here are mostly nice blokes) but get in there way in the wrong way and you will have to face there law before they face yours!
NO booster it wasnt the guy your taking about was another town about 2 hours north I ended up moving back here after all that shit, but there is a similar story in this town from what i hear . Yes talk gets around.
My dealings with the guy your talking about have been fine, others have said things but as i said above I take people as they treat me and he's ok by me. I came back here as Its a known quantity here, growning up in a place give you advantages, but the market was already taken here with 2 shops so i moved onto other things. And now you'd be mad to try and make money long term from firearms.
Stupid, dangerous laws that are nothing but a kneejerk to media outcry from what was some rampant public stupidity from some outlaw clubs, but will still only serve to ensure any members of these clubs who weren't criminals before now will be.
well said citizen!
its just the same old shit really isnt it..... it only takes a few to spoil a bunch ...how many of you guys have had anything to do with the so called big bad bikies cos i have and almost all of the blokes i know and have partied with are top blokes not all of them are fucking criminals IMO anyway
Glenn Eason drinks and smokes and lends his arse to other blokes
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