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evad
23-12-2008, 07:37 AM
Just saw this on KZrider forum, while I knew that Jesse James had got nailed by the epa in the states I didnt know dynojet had!!

I think the aftermarket streetbike performance market (Jay, do you want to comment?) will take a big hit. The EPA emissions requirements going forward are going to make life very difficult for companies like Dynajet, Vance & Hines and more.

Dynojet was nailed with a $1,000,000 fine late last year for knowingly selling performance parts that violated California emissions.
Jesse James was saddled with a big fine too.
In smaller cases, one of the Honda dealers was nailed for modifying off-road bikes, a couple of HD dealers hit...
Yamaha was fined $3,000,000 for selling bikes that didn't conform to CA emissions... and forced to recall/destroy all those bikes...
Expect to see much more of this as the EPA and local states start to enforce emissions.

evad
23-12-2008, 07:48 AM
Here's the start of the Yamaha one...
www.allbusiness.com/government/environme...ations/862669-1.html

and the end:
www.arb.ca.gov/enf/casesett/yamahaseas.htm

The complete California Enforcement list - when you read through there are a fair number of powersport related companies...
www.arb.ca.gov/enf/actions/actions.htm actions
www.arb.ca.gov/enf/casesett/casesett.htm settlements

The american epa sucks [V] hope our clowns dont go the same route!!

suxukifreak
23-12-2008, 08:48 AM
Trust Honda to come up with e polution solution....

http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/89362655958821.jpg


There’s been a lot of talk in the auto industry lately about electric cars, and moving to fully electric platforms. Quietly, motorcycle companies have seen the writing on the wall, and have been exploring electric two-wheel applications for new models. KTM has promised to bring an electric bike by this time in 2010, and Quantya has an electric dirt bike, the Strada already available for purchase.

Not to be left out on this one, Honda has announced that it has partnered with Yuasa to bring an electric bike line-up to their model range by the year 2010.

“Honda is currently developing a battery-powered electric motorcycle which emits no CO2 during operation. The company is aiming to introduce this electric motorcycle to the market about in two years from now,” says Takeo Fukui, Chairman and CEO of Honda Motor Co. “History shows that motorcycles remain strong in a difficult market environment and have always supported Honda in difficult times,” he adds.

Yuasa, maker of most motorcycle batteries (check yours), will be responsible for the development of the high-performance lithium-ion batteries necessary for the electric motorcycles. The two companies will jointly set up a research and development center, and a battery manufacturing facility near Kyoto in Japan. This*joint venture is being funded to the tune of $18.5 million, with*Honda*holding a 49% stake in the company, and the rest being held by Yuasa.

23-12-2008, 11:19 AM
whisper quiet motorbikes, dangerous and GHEY

fimpBIKES
23-12-2008, 11:32 AM
i'd fukkin love one!

its all about torque :D

livewire
23-12-2008, 12:32 PM
Just shifts the pollution from the exhaust to the power station

zx12argh
23-12-2008, 12:46 PM
Power stations run on upwards of 60% efficiency.
You'd be lucky if your car/bike runs at 15% efficiency.
That doesn't take into account all the energy lost in refining and transporting the fuel...
It would cost about $1-$2 to "refuel" an electric car.

Newest technology batteries and electric motors are delivering some serious performace - check out the electric drag bike if you don't believe me. And this is being achieved WITHOUT major support from the big manufacturers. If they got behind it and sorted the technology I think electric vehicles could out perform petrol powered. DC motors put out huge torque from almost zero RPM and as there are no reciprocating parts can really rev out.

I'm all for new technology that keeps two wheels on the road. Styling is ghey and OTT but I think thats the point. For some reason manufacturers feel the need to do electric styled cars in a futuristic manner, but when they get passed this I think it will be much more of possibility for regular joes.

The only drawback I reckon is when you pull all the plastics off it'll be that much harder to hide the wiring ;)

fimpBIKES
23-12-2008, 01:32 PM
when i was in italy in 04 they had little "recharge points" street-corners for scooters etc

if they did that (as an incentive) then running costs for only drop to almost zero




the only thing i worry about is weight distribution
would be a VERY different beast to ride with all the unsprung motor mass in the rear wheel hub!
hELLO WHEELIES :D

revken
23-12-2008, 04:38 PM
maybe some recorded exhaust noise playing through a kick-arse sound system?

Bear
23-12-2008, 06:46 PM
I think there is an electric bike that has a noise generator for that very reason. I think it may also be a Yamaha. I'd usually do a search to back that up but I'm feeling lazy tonight so meh.

I'm looking forward to the torque of an electric dirt bike, in particular.

Farkin EPA seems a tad heavy handed. Typical government greenies.

Weaselman
23-12-2008, 06:50 PM
i love internal combustion...

anything else is gay

Jockney Rebel
23-12-2008, 07:54 PM
^^^DINOSAUR.....the internal combustion engines days are numbered purely because it uses a fuel that is expensive and becomong increasingly rare [wait till the chinese start driving cars see the demand rocket and prices go ballistic] if just 20%[200 million]of chinese population start running small cars the demand will be equivalent to the entire U.S private car usage for fuel.[currently about 80% of the population]...so lets just enjoy the fast frugal engines we have while we have them and when their banned well ride leccy bikes

Watto
23-12-2008, 08:14 PM
seem to remember a post on here about a electric drag bike (killacycle??) that went pretty well (especially for the fella who thought he would pull a static burnout in public but it gripped and took off real quick)

suxukifreak
23-12-2008, 08:19 PM
http://www.streetfighters.com.au/forum/upload/28778015109456.jpg

pt
23-12-2008, 08:25 PM
im not too fussed so long as it makes noise so braindead drivers hear me coming. or teach everyone to drive?
handling better be good though, dont want heavy batteries in the wrong spots!

evad
23-12-2008, 08:46 PM
I'm with weasel, if it dont burn somethind and make a noise its Ghey :D]:D

Bear
23-12-2008, 09:20 PM
At least we wouldn't have to re-jet or remap the fuel system. We'd be looking at ways to get more winds on the armature and stronger magnets. :D
Instead of nitrous or turbos, we'd have a higher voltage booster. Heat would be the by-product issue.

suxukifreak
23-12-2008, 09:28 PM
Maybe on the highways they could run 2 thin steel tracks, and the bike would have brushes hanging down like Scalextric cars [:0]

Now thats just bein silly [:o)]

pappas
23-12-2008, 09:53 PM
I know it's not really a good comparo, but I have an electric RC car with Lithium Polymer Batteries and a brushless motor that is INSANELY quick!! 120km/h+ and that's not scaled up. If they could get some of that technology into a car/bike, I would buy one!

In saying that, I love everything about petrol motors, whether it's in a car or a bike and I hope they never get rid of them, no matter how unrealistic that is.

Weaselman
24-12-2008, 01:25 PM
I honestly beleave that electric engines are dead in the water.
They will develop a synthetic fuel before electric motors on a large scale

Simply because ships trucks and anything huge will always need a internal combustion engine to provide power
I think the cost of stringing wires all over oz for the rail network would cost more than keeping diesel burning freight trains

Jockney Rebel
24-12-2008, 05:31 PM
you dont need wires [u just need a third rail and itll stop the little fuckers from getting on the track too ]

_M_
24-12-2008, 06:52 PM
I believe that hydrogen is the answer not batteries, hydrogen only needs a more efficient source than currently available. If you read new scientist there was an article this year about some scientist that were near to a highly effective and efficient way of sourcing hydrogen that could lead to home based near free fuel stations.

suxukifreak
24-12-2008, 07:41 PM
All we have to do now is stop the car companys buying out all these new energy sources. :(

Bear
24-12-2008, 08:07 PM
quote:Originally posted by _M_

I believe that hydrogen is the answer not batteries, hydrogen only needs a more efficient source than currently available. If you read new scientist there was an article this year about some scientist that were near to a highly effective and efficient way of sourcing hydrogen that could lead to home based near free fuel stations.

Home based stations and almost free?!!! Wow, I like the sound of that! Bring it on!

alfiestorm
25-12-2008, 02:48 AM
Easy solution dont sell bikes in California it full of fake kuck wits anyway.

Alf

EFE 1230
25-12-2008, 03:17 AM
quote:Originally posted by alfiestorm

Easy solution dont sell bikes in California it full of fake kuck wits anyway.

Alf



TRANSLATION; I've been into my home brew so fuckyoozall!!!

alfiestorm
25-12-2008, 04:52 AM
quote:Originally posted by EFE 1230


quote:Originally posted by alfiestorm

Easy solution dont sell bikes in California it full of fake kuck wits anyway.

Alf



TRANSLATION; I've been into my home brew so fuckyoozall!!!


hark hark hear comes the bears.
Good day to you mike and yes the jmc arm looks in good nic.

Smiley
27-12-2008, 09:54 AM
So, who in ASF would be the first to hack the sound generating system in their electocycle while 3/4 pissed, and replace the sound with a recording of themselves yelling "Vroom Vroom, rrrrRRRRR, rrrrRRRRRR, rrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" ??

Weaselman
29-12-2008, 07:13 PM
nothing but fart noises

ralph
01-01-2009, 12:29 AM
but whose gonna brew our fuel in the future

uncle pervy
09-01-2009, 01:17 PM
or the moans of a pornstar in full orgasmic flight

Jockney Rebel
09-01-2009, 06:27 PM
ive giot acomplete file on producing gas form water or something ..some bloke came in asking for hoses for it and gave us the file to peruse [i havent read it yet tho lol]

zx12argh
09-01-2009, 09:27 PM
you can release hydrogen from water by passing a current through it. hydrogen fuel cells work on a similar principal however they are working on osmotic barriers that release it with minimal input. at the moment it takes my juice in then what you get out so its not a viable tech as yet.

lizard
20-01-2009, 09:17 PM
Just another shitter

makaveli650
15-02-2009, 06:49 PM
Sorry im with weaseal, electric is gay, hydrogen, they just need to get some power outta tha shit.

kozmic-engineering.co.uk
26-03-2009, 09:13 AM
I have helped a local bloke in devon england to redesign a devise he uses in his transit van that uses electrolasys to produce hydrogen and oxygen. It saves him 30% of his fuel cost and is so basic and crude he is trying to take it global. Basic physics I thought of making one for my van and to fit to a bike but safety and insurance issues put me off. credit crunch fuck off i am flat out putting windows in clutch covers and welding to have the time.

scotty
26-03-2009, 11:45 AM
Electric is green?. Sorry FAIL. The emmisions produced to make one battery is way more than a fuckin cadilac can produce in 1,000,000 k's.
so sorry ELECTRIC
FAIL

Tomanyprojex
21-04-2009, 07:00 AM
quote:Originally posted by zx12argh

Power stations run on upwards of 60% efficiency.
You'd be lucky if your car/bike runs at 15% efficiency.
That doesn't take into account all the energy lost in refining and transporting the fuel...
It would cost about $1-$2 to "refuel" an electric car.

Newest technology batteries and electric motors are delivering some serious performace - check out the electric drag bike if you don't believe me. And this is being achieved WITHOUT major support from the big manufacturers. If they got behind it and sorted the technology I think electric vehicles could out perform petrol powered. DC motors put out huge torque from almost zero RPM and as there are no reciprocating parts can really rev out.

I'm all for new technology that keeps two wheels on the road. Styling is ghey and OTT but I think thats the point. For some reason manufacturers feel the need to do electric styled cars in a futuristic manner, but when they get passed this I think it will be much more of possibility for regular joes.

The only drawback I reckon is when you pull all the plastics off it'll be that much harder to hide the wiring ;)

Unfortunately electricity losses due to transmission over distance run at about 70% - 80% which turns the 60% generator efficiency into about 15%.. Which doesn't include losses due to inefficiencies in charging batteries, mechanical losses in the vehicle itsel or the inefficiencies in processing and transporting fuel to the generator in the first place... The point about just moving CO2 emissions is a good one..

uncle pervy
21-04-2009, 01:03 PM
watching top gear the other week they were showing off the latest hydrogen car from the u.s. this thing produces enough electrickry to run your house and could be as fast as the Killacycle. electric dragbike 6+ second passes from about 990 litium ion phone batteries. i like it. you get home and you plug your house into your car to recharge the house. hahahaha.
no but seriously the more cars running on this technology mean fossil fuels will last longer and can only be used for motorcycles

AK47
03-05-2009, 09:05 PM
Solar power all the way!
[xx(]

MaCkCiTy
03-07-2009, 08:38 AM
My mates old man is into electric cars and stuff. We were talking about it and I said "it's going to suck loosing the sound of a roaring exhast system". His reply was "yeah but that probably the same thing carriage drivers were saying back when cars were invented 'aren't you going to miss the smell of your horse farting'"... I had no answer.

Could always get a Vroom Box!

latheboy
03-07-2009, 10:17 AM
Most "horseless carriages" were fitted with a whip to make the change easier for the drivers

MaCkCiTy
04-07-2009, 10:24 AM
lol serious, did they also come with a shotgun if you got a flat?

latheboy
04-07-2009, 12:03 PM
I would want someone riding shotgun,
Theres injuns in thum thar hills:D


http://www.asfphotos.com/upload/1246715958.jpg

scotty
05-07-2009, 06:33 PM
Hey guess what....
I know of a very easy to grow product that can not only produce fuel it can be used for a fucking huge mutitude of things. Like i mean huge.From paper to fuel to even fucking medicinal. Cost's fuck all to produce. Leave's the earth in a fairly clensed state, like ready for a good crop of gain or such. You need fuck all water. Really it grows it's self.


Na fuck it lets ban it cos the big fat cunt's el go broke, and some kiddy's may smoke it!!!!!!